AMD FX-7600P Kaveri Review: FX Rides Again...In A Mobile APU?

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cleeve, the editing of my posts are getting a little nuts, I mean what I write not the way you want me to.....you edited this.
 


Yes.

I'm not taking bait anymore, if it's inflammatory it will get erased. Having said that, I keep any questions and concerns in play, and I will paraphrase them in respectful language when necessary.

I truly value everyone's comments and concerns, but not the insults. And I will do my very best to answer them, too, in a cordial manner.

 
Anyways, I felt I should clarify my first comment. We all know laptops aren't as popular now as they were before we entered the era of tablets. Could they make a comeback now that APUs are finally able to actually play some popular titles? The APU surely reduces cost of a gaming laptop which normally would need an expensive discreet card. I think there might be some money to be made here if AMD can actually get some contracts. If only we could build our own laptops...
 


With similar TDPs we can assume its the same ballpark. But honestly, there's little point in speculation until we have actual, shipping laptops to test. Hopefully that's on the way soon.
 
Cleeve thanks for the info. so the processor on this benchmark its running on same power than a i7 35w. and when that go to store will have only 19w ? if i remember a time ago the i3 ulv second generation have 17w. will this kaveri a nice improve over all mobile cpu thus far.
 


My pleasure!

The Kaveri FX-7600P is 35 Watts, but the ULV FX-7500 is a 19 Watt part.

AMD has a 17 Watt Kaveri, but it's the Pro series 7050B, a dual-core CPU.
 
If you have to compare kaveri to i7 the specs of the i7 4558U make it a better comparison...for intel and amd(iris pro), but the price difference is still way off. It looks difficult to find the right chip to compare but its clear that the Kaveri series is more directed at i5, where any of the 8 i5 chips with similar TDP's would be a more accurate comparison of price/performance with comparable TDP.
 
AMD has had quite some time to bin & stockpile these chips -- it would be nice to see a great variety of selections hit the channel in decent numbers (and decent builds).

If OEMs can't see fit to spec some with SSDs at a fair price (it was hard to say that with a straight face), may they keep a hands-off approach to those who choose to mod on their own.

AND (lookout, now :)) there are exceptions but most older titles are easily slayed by an APU these days, especially at 720p.

 


Well, the i7-4558U is 7 watts lower and the i7-4702MQ is 2 watts higher than FX-7600P, so the latter is the closer target. I doubt it'd make a huge difference anyway. [edit: didn't realize the 4558U has Iris graphics at first... it'd probably do a lot better than the 4702MQ when it comes to the game benchmarks]

And AMD made it very clear that the i7 was the target, although it depends on pricing as to what they actually compete with. But that might be an indicator as to what AMD wants to charge for them.

Pricing is key, no matter how you slice it. We'll have to wait until AMD gets some design wins in the market before we can nail pricing down, but it'll be interesting to see how it hits the market.

Frankly, I'm a little disappointed that AMD didn't give us a 19W FX-7500 to test, as I think it'd have fared well against the i7-4500U. Then again, in their FX-7500 vs i7-4500U benchmarks, they had almost identical PCMark scores, just as the FX-7600P and i7-4702MQ did. Always hard to say.

But at the end of the day, if you can get an FX-7600P laptop for $200 less than an i7-4702MQ, it's a great win for AMD. Can't determine that until we have products on the shelves, unfortunately.



 
So far I'm quite fond of my desktop Kaveri APU. With a decent Zalman cooler I was able to push the performance to 4.4ghz cpu / 1029mhz gpu comfortably. It runs pretty much everything I play (Fallout & Elder Scrolls) at max detail. Good APU for budget gaming. Can't wait till there are some mobile version Windows 8.1 tablets available.
 
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Frankly, I'm a little disappointed that AMD didn't give us a 19W FX-7500 to test ...
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Maybe they've got so many in the channel they don't have any to spare :ouch:

Being the first shot at the node (and 'new' SHP process), hopefully AMD will find a way to fire-up the 2 missing CUs in the quad-core 19w envelop (with a new stepping, or the next-gen Carizo)

Are these all fab'ed in Germany, or are some made at GloFlo-NY?
(they note 60k wafer-starts/ month there)



 
It seems like any benchmarks of the Ax-7xxxP should be against an ix-4xxxM, not MQ, and the 7xxx, should be against the ix-4xxxU, at approximately the closest price point. That leaves plenty to choose from, in laptops in the market. While no Kaveri pricing is available, you can buy a laptop, with the top predecessor processor, using Richland, for less than this MQ's processor alone, so I do not think anyone seriously expects that to be its competition.

Maybe we are just waiting on OEMs to release their Kaveri laptops, in both 19w, and 35w forms, to make it worthwhile. I am glad to see any data, and we have time before we can actually buy a Kaveri laptop. Hopefully we can get that data so a more realistic comparison can be made in the near future? Thanks
 


You can't do a value comparison unless you know how much something will cost. :)

As I've said, we have to wait for design wins and commercial availability to know what products will be similarly priced. Otherwise, we're just making sloppy guesses by throwing in comparison products that may not be in the ballpark. That doesn't work either.
 


That's because they're not there! :)

As stated in the review, we were only given a few hours of testing with a prototype. We'll have to wait for actual, commercially available laptops to make power usage determinations.

The TDP will tell some of the story, but for more in-depth coverage we'll have to wait for product.

 
It's only 2.7/3.6GHZ quad core with less work done per clock cycle than Sandy Bridge+, and 35W TDP. AMD needs to grow a pair and release some 47W and 57W APUs like Intel has done so it can have more room for performance
 
When you factor in the fact that intel needs a discrete and often power hungry gpu to compete with amd apus then those efficiency numbers along with price to performance go down the tubes. Also, one must consider that your average intel laptop has now added another component in that nvidia gpu which represents yet another point of failure. AMD owns the sub $600 mobile market. I dont know why anyone would buy anything else.
 
Would be nice to see a comparative against Intel best effort. The 5200 Iris pro.
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Not really ... there is nothing 'comparative' between the 2 unless you wanted to pair a 270X with the APU against the Iris Pro.

I think it fair game to pair an i3 with a $60-$70 discreet against the Kaveri APU as they are still a bit pricey. It's tougher against a Trinity/Richland APU as deals on DDR3 2133/2400MHz RAMs can be found at the $70+/- price point these days.

 
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