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Those prices seem a bit like hype generation to me. It's either that or the cognitive dissonance kicking in seeing as I paid $235 for my MSI 7850 a month ago.
 
[citation][nom]bildo123[/nom]Those prices seem a bit like hype generation to me. It's either that or the cognitive dissonance kicking in seeing as I paid $235 for my MSI 7850 a month ago.[/citation]

A few years back, some people paid several hundred dollars for cards that your 7850 can beat quite significantly. These prices might look too good to be true, but we don't actually know just how much gaming performance will improve on these cards relative to their Radeon 78xx counterparts (the spec sheet does not specify gaming performance improvements) and we also have to keep in mind how prices can improve quite significantly over time. For example, the Radeon 7970 was breaking $550-600, around 40-50% more expensive than it is now, a mere five or six months ago.
 
For those saying the performance boosts is unlikely, just remember the 7860 runs at around 6950/6970 performance wise. So it seems plausible to believe that they could make a similar jump by increasing the die size of the 7870 to more closely match the 7950. As for the pricing, dont forget how AMD made a huge comeback with the 4850/4870...they performed equal to or better than their nvidia counterparts at these prices forcing nvidia to dramatically cut the costs of their cards to compete, I mean how many times did they rerelease an overclocked 8800 to compete with 48xx series? like 3 times
 


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LoL at those prices. Hope so. But ain't gonna happen. This is a PR move to fend off the onslaught of the Borderlands2/660ti promo.
 
[citation][nom]rta[/nom]LoL at those prices. Hope so. But ain't gonna happen. This is a PR move to fend off the onslaught of the Borderlands2/660ti promo.[/citation]

And im not saying anything re the performance of the 660ti, simply the marketing...it's genius. I would have to imagine AMD "leaks" this stuff because they don't know how else hype.
 
[citation][nom]rta[/nom]LoL at those prices. Hope so. But ain't gonna happen. This is a PR move to fend off the onslaught of the Borderlands2/660ti promo.[/citation]

[citation][nom]rta[/nom]And im not saying anything re the performance of the 660ti, simply the marketing...it's genius. I would have to imagine AMD "leaks" this stuff because they don't know how else hype.[/citation]

AMD's Sleeping Dogs promo is what goes against the Borderlands 2 promo and these prices are entirely possible even if these cards have gaming performance enhancements similar to the compute performance enhancements. Furthermore, unless these spec sheets are true, it's unlikely that they are from AMD. I don't think that they're true and I doubt that they're from AMD.
 
[citation][nom]idroid[/nom]Wow!!! lower price and lower TDP with what seems to be a really big performance gain!! i am all in![/citation]

I second that. Great news! But could it be too little too late again? AMD needs to pick up the pace a little faster.
 
[citation][nom]killador[/nom]I second that. Great news! But could it be too little too late again? AMD needs to pick up the pace a little faster.[/citation]

AMD was like three months ahead of Nvidia with the first Radeon 7970 and 7950 cards against the GTX 680. How could AMD be late again if they were already three months early?
 
if you not run ning games you can go for s3 card. still go for low gpu. no fans no fuss.
still we can use old cards for word exel and so on. demanding games need a power foul pc. still older pc can run pc games with dx9.0c and dx11(.1) demos. details on low. p4 running good on call of p benchmark with a 7950. lovely then you do not need to upgrade. dx11 cN BE RUB ON LOW LEVEL computers. just put maximum ram and you dont need to upgrade to latest game fragger. if you got the money go for it. still a x9930 i7 can handle it i hi res. but next step are 4k 8k movies. more demanding then low quality 1080p games. witch is max at 1980x1200. new screen higher dpi. so if yeah tink this generation of gpu cpu hybrid can run so high resolutions yeah mus think over again. 4096p are 3 times mkore demanding. and fps would be at 12-35 fps if you try to run so high resolutions. even with 3d it would be enough power to prosess games. better go for a dx9 10 11 card if you use it for game raw making heavy stuff. go for telsa in 4 sli or 4 in eye amd.
 
[citation][nom]kmo911[/nom]if you not run ning games you can go for s3 card. still go for low gpu. no fans no fuss.still we can use old cards for word exel and so on. demanding games need a power foul pc. still older pc can run pc games with dx9.0c and dx11(.1) demos. details on low. p4 running good on call of p benchmark with a 7950. lovely then you do not need to upgrade. dx11 cN BE RUB ON LOW LEVEL computers. just put maximum ram and you dont need to upgrade to latest game fragger. if you got the money go for it. still a x9930 i7 can handle it i hi res. but next step are 4k 8k movies. more demanding then low quality 1080p games. witch is max at 1980x1200. new screen higher dpi. so if yeah tink this generation of gpu cpu hybrid can run so high resolutions yeah mus think over again. 4096p are 3 times mkore demanding. and fps would be at 12-35 fps if you try to run so high resolutions. even with 3d it would be enough power to prosess games. better go for a dx9 10 11 card if you use it for game raw making heavy stuff. go for telsa in 4 sli or 4 in eye amd.[/citation]

Sorry, but I can't understand much of any of this. If you're a non-native English speaker/writer, you could try typing something up in your native language and using Google Translate to English.
 
[citation][nom]blazorthon[/nom]AMD was like three months ahead of Nvidia with the first Radeon 7970 and 7950 cards against the GTX 680. How could AMD be late again if they were already three months early?[/citation]

You're joking right?
Nvidia is still ahead of AMD - especially now with Tegra 3 introduced to android devices/tablets. By the way, thats the GTX 680 you are talking about not the GTX 690 (unless you forgot that it exists at all). Anyway, im keeping my fingers crossed for AMD, they have done a great job with their latest improvements.
 
[citation][nom]killador[/nom]You're joking right? Nvidia is still ahead of AMD - especially now with Tegra 3 introduced to android devices/tablets. By the way, thats the GTX 680 you are talking about not the GTX 690 (unless you forgot that it exists at all). Anyway, im keeping my fingers crossed for AMD, they have done a great job with their latest improvements.[/citation]

The 690 is hardly relevant and we weren't talking about the mobile phone and tablet markets in which AMD might not even be a competitor in.
 
All i can say is AMD is losing exec's every second - stocks are falling (not showing yet) slowly but surely. Just pay attention to the news and that will answer all your questions as to weather AMD is ahead or not.
 
[citation][nom]killador[/nom]All i can say is AMD is losing exec's every second - stocks are falling (not showing yet) slowly but surely. Just pay attention to the news and that will answer all your questions as to weather AMD is ahead or not.[/citation]

That's not even relevant to this...

AMD is in trouble mostly because of their CPU division, not their graphics division. Their graphics division is doing very well. Also, losing execs is no big deal at all, especially given that they obviously haven't done too well lately. Other companies lose them all the time without doom predictions and without having trouble later on as a result of it.
 
This is very late, but I want to point out a few things. First of all, the chart has incorrect sp tflops for 7870 . it should be 2.56. Even if AMD did use the new library(which they didn't since the die is a good deal larger for the number of transistors added) you would still have all the transistors, just packed into a smaller space. I've looked at the related wikipedia pages that show 8850 with only 1GB of vram despite it being more powerful than 6970(which came with at least 2GB vram). 7950 is down to 290 AR and will overclock to 7970(ghz ed?) levels with max tdp 200w and average tdp of 140w(based on similarities to 6950).A 2GB 7850 goes for 185-190 with 130w max tdp and much lower average tdp(can overclock to 7870 speeds or faster, putting it in 7950 territory). Either AMD has relaxed the voltages a bit, posted higher average tdp on the new cards vs max tdp on the old ones, or both. The 8870 might be a decent deal thanks to some overclocking headroom, but I wouldn't buy a 8850 with only 1GB of vram at 200(more for 2GB models) vs a 2GB 7850 for less than 190. Just sayin'.
 
I wish you could edit these comments like you can forum posts. If the architecture is otherwise similar, an increase in dp performance should be proportional to an increase in sp performance.

Also, fill rate increases go along with clock speed (from 1ghz on 7870 to 1100mhz boost on 8870 is from 32gpixels to 35.2, 860mhz on 7850 to 975mhz boost on 8850 sees a larger percentage increase in pixel fill rate with the same number of rops if we are too assume the 1GB frame buffer will not be a bottleneck to msaa/ssaa performance).
 
[citation][nom]jtenorj[/nom]I wish you could edit these comments like you can forum posts. If the architecture is otherwise similar, an increase in dp performance should be proportional to an increase in sp performance.Also, fill rate increases go along with clock speed (from 1ghz on 7870 to 1100mhz boost on 8870 is from 32gpixels to 35.2, 860mhz on 7850 to 975mhz boost on 8850 sees a larger percentage increase in pixel fill rate with the same number of rops if we are too assume the 1GB frame buffer will not be a bottleneck to msaa/ssaa performance).[/citation]

You can edit these posts. Click on the Read the comments on the forums link between the comments section and the article.

Also, I find it hard to believe that there will only be 1GB of frame buffer on any card faster than the 7850, at least with reference specifications. That just wouldn't make much sense unless AMD found a way to significantly compress everything without reducing quality.
 
Thanks for the info. I find a 1GB frame buffer on 8850 hard to believe as well. I don't know who edited the sea islands gpu family wikipedia page with that info, but here is a link to that page(are links acceptable in article comments?) :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Islands_%28GPU_family%29

I really hope it ends up being wrong and that both the 8850 and 8870 will be available with 2GB minimum and possibly the option of 4GB.
 
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