AMD Moves Up New CPU, Graphics Chips for 2010

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When is AMD going to actually start trying to make performance CPUs again? Ive bought their CPUs for my last 4 builds over the last 8 years, but I cant buy another one while looking at Intels superior Core i7 at the same price.
 
[citation][nom]Lavacon[/nom]A Dual 460 will not take the performance crown. 2 in SLI get blown away by the 5970.....[/citation]

Actually, you are wrong. ATI on it's best day gets 60% increase from crossfire and even less when you use more than two cards where Nvidia for the most part is hitting 90%+ scaling when in SLI. If you are going to run two cards, Nvidia is still the way to go.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3809/nvidias-geforce-gtx-460-the-200-king/1

Two 1GB 460 cards at ~$460 in most games will completely school a 5970 or dual 5870's in terms of performance per dollar and in many cases actually beats them in FPS (sometimes even the 768 version).

Hitting 2x5870 or 5970 (or even 2x5850) levels of performance for less than $500 is a fantastic deal. Yes they are not always on top but "Blown Away" is overstatement of the year imo.

I think it's a nice budget card for your $200 gamer and a great alternative for the dual card folks. Heat is lower, power is lower and noise is reduced. Sounds like a winner to me for the person who does not want to spend $700+.
 
Their Graphics Media Decelerators have been there for a while, but I'd like to see where Intel's newer Highly Deficient graphics falls on the hierarchy chart. I thought I read some reviews somewhere that actually put them a little above AMD's HD4200 for some things...
 
[citation][nom]jonas1230[/nom]I'll believe it when I see it - making an announcement is one thing, but delivering actual hardware in high enough quantity on said date - that's entirely different.I say both CPU and GPUs will slip by at lest 2 months, (as far as having more than a handful of them available).[/citation]
Hey, this is not nVidia dude! The way it is meant to be delayed: 😀
 
its romoured to be a 5770 integrated, and supposedly consume less than 1 watt on idle!
Also bobcat has 6 pipelines compared to Intel's HT (which is 2), bobcat is for portables but its Over 150 times faster than atom while consuming 1/4 the power.
 
[citation][nom]CptTripps[/nom]Actually, you are wrong. ATI on it's best day gets 60% increase from crossfire and even less when you use more than two cards where Nvidia for the most part is hitting 90%+ scaling when in SLI. If you are going to run two cards, Nvidia is still the way to go.http://www.anandtech.com/show/3809 [...] 200-king/1Two 1GB 460 cards at ~$460 in most games will completely school a 5970 or dual 5870's in terms of performance per dollar and in many cases actually beats them in FPS (sometimes even the 768 version).Hitting 2x5870 or 5970 (or even 2x5850) levels of performance for less than $500 is a fantastic deal. Yes they are not always on top but "Blown Away" is overstatement of the year imo.I think it's a nice budget card for your $200 gamer and a great alternative for the dual card folks. Heat is lower, power is lower and noise is reduced. Sounds like a winner to me for the person who does not want to spend $700+.[/citation]

on the game i play (stalker) the 460 in SLI gets CREAMED!
 
[citation][nom]lashton[/nom]its romoured to be a 5770 integrated, and supposedly consume less than 1 watt on idle!Also bobcat has 6 pipelines compared to Intel's HT (which is 2), bobcat is for portables but its Over 150 times faster than atom while consuming 1/4 the power.[/citation]
A bobcat can also eat an atom.
 
[citation][nom]CptTripps[/nom]Heat is lower, power is lower and noise is reduced.[/citation]
Less power? Both GTX460 cards are rated at 150W+ and nVidia cards use even more power when used in SLI.
 
Ati really needs to get OpenCL up and running.

I will be selling my amazing 4850 to go dark side to gtx 460 and not 5850 just because I can use mercury playback engine in Adobe Premiere cs5. Also, vReveal and many other CUDA only apps.

Adobe made it perfectly clear that ATi needs to do more than promise software support. Back when 2900xt showed up, their software was "just about done." When I purchased my 4850, the drivers were "almost here, you can almost touch them". And now, 6xxx series is on the way and OpenCL is still just a paper dream.

Games are fun and all, but I work too on my computer.
 
[citation][nom]marraco[/nom]youtube "e3 gameplay 2010"[/citation]
Likee he said, where are the gamees? Theree was NOTHING at E3 that looked like id neeed to upgrrade my computer to play. Letalone run any game they showed with the settings any one single notch down from maxed, and this is with a hd5770 and a phenom 88 @ 3.2 ghz
 
[citation][nom]lashton[/nom]on the game i play (stalker) the 460 in SLI gets CREAMED![/citation]

That is cherry picking and not looking at the entire picture. I could say I play alot of Crysis Warhead at 1920x1200, 61fps on the 460SLI beats the 5970 at 58fps. At 2560x1600 that far more expensive 5970 will gain me an extra 3fps, yay? In mas effect 2 @2560x1600 I could net .3 more FPS for those extra hundreds, CREAMED! indeed.

And really, Stalker @ 1920x1200 with 4msaa gets 64fps on a ~$700+ 5970 while it gets 54fps on 2x460 1GB @ $460 (51 on 2x460 768MB), I would not call that CREAMED! and don't consider $240 worth 10 extra frames. The 5870 in CF approaches CREAMing it, but at ~$800 I don't think that is a good deal either.

I specifically stated price/performance in which area the 460 kicks ass. I also stated it gets better FPS than a 5970/5870xfire "sometimes", which it does. I never said it was faster all around, just that it is a better deal. If you argue that point there is no hope for you.

[citation][nom]fokissed[/nom]Less power? Both GTX460 cards are rated at 150W+ and nVidia cards use even more power when used in SLI.[/citation]

Yes they use less power (60-70 watts less under load than the 465), I didn't say they use the least, just less (460SLI together will beat a GTX480 but use near the same power). Nvidia does use more in SLI but they also improve performance drastically unlike crossfire. Also, if by using more you mean it more than doubles draw, you are wrong.

In the end...

I am a 5870 owner so adding a second 5870 is a no brainer for me. For someone updating there system I would easily reccomend a $400-460 SLI setup (depending on monitor resolution) that would easily outpace a $400 5870 and in reality is closer to the 5970 for a lot less money. I would never reccomend a card that cost ~$700 period unless someone has way to much money, if that was the case then 3way SLI 480 would CREAM! everything.
 
[citation][nom]rohitbaran[/nom]I also read that nVidia is planning to launch a dual GTX 460 card to reclaim the complete performance crown. Well, they better be quick or after SI launches, their card will probably be creamed by it.[/citation]The 1GB GTX 460 is an excellent value. The 768MB version, with its cut down bus? Not as much.

But what if they throw two 1GB 460s on a single card? Well, looking at power consumption: In order to do that, they will either have to underclock them slightly, or bin them hard, or else break PCI-E power specs. I don't think they'll break the 300 watt power specs on a reference design, but Nvidia's board partners can do that.

I believe AMD's Cypress chips can still retain the performance/watt advantage, however. They could release a 5980, if they felt it necessary.
 
I remember back when Nvidia was selling 6000 series cards. When we finally get to HD7000 series, ATI will have come around full circle. A little sooner and they might've made it in time for the 10th anniversary of the original 7000 series.
BTW, happy 10 year anniversary for Radeon cards, first introduced sometime in 2000, apparently.
 
very smart moves by AMD, i for one have not bought an amazing 5xxx series gfx card because i know the second gen dx11 cards are going to be better for the value vs upgrading from a 4850 x2 to a 5xxx series card.
 
great, more new cards. hey lets just release a new card every week, then people will have to keep buying the new ones to keep up. Screw that im sticking with my 8800 till next year. hope they can at least add physics processing into the new range. Progress is good and all, but now everyone who just bough a 5xxx series is gonna feel like they have missed out..
 
@iam2thecrowe

I just bought my 5870 this week and I don't feel like I'm missing out. Graphics cards get updated so quick that I just set up my own upgrade schedule and ignore everyone else's. The thing that would make me angry is if there was actually a practical reason to get the new cards (i.e. a game that actually pushed the limits). Would be so nice to have a game like Crysis where none of the cards out yet could handle it. Graphics cards are only as good as the source you can feed them. Anything else is just an unnecessary power draw.
 
[citation][nom]CptTripps[/nom]That is cherry picking and not looking at the entire picture. I could say I play alot of Crysis Warhead at 1920x1200, 61fps on the 460SLI beats the 5970 at 58fps. At 2560x1600 that far more expensive 5970 will gain me an extra 3fps, yay? In mas effect 2 @2560x1600 I could net .3 more FPS for those extra hundreds, CREAMED! indeed.And really, Stalker @ 1920x1200 with 4msaa gets 64fps on a ~$700+ 5970 while it gets 54fps on 2x460 1GB @ $460 (51 on 2x460 768MB), I would not call that CREAMED! and don't consider $240 worth 10 extra frames. The 5870 in CF approaches CREAMing it, but at ~$800 I don't think that is a good deal either.I specifically stated price/performance in which area the 460 kicks ass. I also stated it gets better FPS than a 5970/5870xfire "sometimes", which it does. I never said it was faster all around, just that it is a better deal. If you argue that point there is no hope for you.Yes they use less power (60-70 watts less under load than the 465), I didn't say they use the least, just less (460SLI together will beat a GTX480 but use near the same power). Nvidia does use more in SLI but they also improve performance drastically unlike crossfire. Also, if by using more you mean it more than doubles draw, you are wrong.In the end...I am a 5870 owner so adding a second 5870 is a no brainer for me. For someone updating there system I would easily reccomend a $400-460 SLI setup (depending on monitor resolution) that would easily outpace a $400 5870 and in reality is closer to the 5970 for a lot less money. I would never reccomend a card that cost ~$700 period unless someone has way to much money, if that was the case then 3way SLI 480 would CREAM! everything.[/citation]

Of course it cherry picked FFS thats the ONLY game is play, why the f**k would i choose a game i dont play!
 
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