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All the reasonable voices that wanted to keep the die size down were fired -_-. Well, I suppose as a halo product it doesn't even need to turn much of a profit, but we'll see how the volume parts do.
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[citation][nom]masterofevil22[/nom]Wow... I like my 6970 (unlocked 2GB 6950 - 890/1400)[/citation]
You have a a 6950. Unlocked and flashed don't mean jack, its still a 6950 pretending to be a 6970.
It still isn't as reliable and they don't overclock as far on average, and they have less muscle.
You get what you pay for.
You have a a 6950. Unlocked and flashed don't mean jack, its still a 6950 pretending to be a 6970.
It still isn't as reliable and they don't overclock as far on average, and they have less muscle.
You get what you pay for.
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[citation][nom]pierogi210[/nom]Then what are you doing on the post? No one cares about your stupid feelings.[/citation]
An opinion is not a feeling, and the question is not stupid. You must have a 6990 stuck in your ass.
An opinion is not a feeling, and the question is not stupid. You must have a 6990 stuck in your ass.
The 6950 has fewer shader cores, whats the point of flashing it? Overclocking, yes. Bios flash, why?
I would say if the 6970 is a porche, he 6950 is still a porche. It just has a smaller engine displacement. Flashing it, I guess is sort of like using the ECU for the larger engine on his smaller porche.
Actually, when I put it that way. Flashing the 6950 to 6970 seems like a bad idea.
I would say if the 6970 is a porche, he 6950 is still a porche. It just has a smaller engine displacement. Flashing it, I guess is sort of like using the ECU for the larger engine on his smaller porche.
Actually, when I put it that way. Flashing the 6950 to 6970 seems like a bad idea.
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For those that say unlocked 6950s aren't 6970s, they have no idea what they're talking about. It's the same exact board. A 6950 IS a 6970 with disabled shaders and a factory underclock. Hence a 6950 with those unlocked shaders and put back to 6970 speeds, IS a 6970. The car analogy was horrendous. If you have a porche that somewhat put an artificial limiter on, and you remove it, guess what? It's still a porche.
That being said the 7xxx series only means better prices for the 6xxx series as far as I'm concerned. 3 months of reference boards at bleeding edge prices? Thanks, but no.
That being said the 7xxx series only means better prices for the 6xxx series as far as I'm concerned. 3 months of reference boards at bleeding edge prices? Thanks, but no.
[citation][nom]jtt283[/nom]It shouldn't take the wattage of a hair dryer to play games, even on excellent settings. I want to see 6970 performance on the power requirements of a 6850; 6850 performance on the requirements of a 6670. THOSE improvements would be nice. The card I have can play all my games maxed, so it isn't GPU muscle I need.[/citation]
That would be called the 7850 and 7670, not the flagship maxed out performance cards.
That would be called the 7850 and 7670, not the flagship maxed out performance cards.
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Some recently leaked slides showing the HD7970 itself:
http://guru3d.com/news/amd-radeon-hd-7970-specifications-leak-onto-the-web/
The specs are nearly identical to what was previously rumored, except for the core clock which was once thought to be as high as 1GHz. I've also seen supposedly leaked benchmarks that show the HD7970 performing just below the HD6990 in Crysis 2, Battlefield BC2, and AVP, and actually slightly outperforming it in Metro 2033.
And more photos of what's thought to be the HD7950. The bare card without cooler:
http://guru3d.com/news/more-amd-tahiti-7900-pics-surface/
http://guru3d.com/news/amd-radeon-hd-7970-specifications-leak-onto-the-web/
The specs are nearly identical to what was previously rumored, except for the core clock which was once thought to be as high as 1GHz. I've also seen supposedly leaked benchmarks that show the HD7970 performing just below the HD6990 in Crysis 2, Battlefield BC2, and AVP, and actually slightly outperforming it in Metro 2033.
And more photos of what's thought to be the HD7950. The bare card without cooler:
http://guru3d.com/news/more-amd-tahiti-7900-pics-surface/
[citation][nom]dragonsqrrl[/nom] I've also seen supposedly leaked benchmarks that show the HD7970 performing just below the HD6990 in Crysis 2, Battlefield BC2, and AVP, and actually slightly outperforming it in Metro 2033.[/citation]
Those are really good news. A big jump as many people said.
Those are really good news. A big jump as many people said.
[citation][nom]cobra5000[/nom]Idiot posters are out in force today!Why are you guys arguing about 6950/6970 performance?Calm down. The new, bad-ass cards are coming and the Nvidiots have NO answer for it!Cheers![/citation]
Calm down my friend, you will take back your word pretty quick when you see the benchmark of it. I would rather wait for nvidia really big upgrade rather then a fail die shrink with minor upgrade performance oh and did i mention thw wtf 600$ price tag ? does this remind you something with amd recently ? Nvidia is the one who can really bleed out amd.
Calm down my friend, you will take back your word pretty quick when you see the benchmark of it. I would rather wait for nvidia really big upgrade rather then a fail die shrink with minor upgrade performance oh and did i mention thw wtf 600$ price tag ? does this remind you something with amd recently ? Nvidia is the one who can really bleed out amd.
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The 6950 unlocked has the same number of shaders (1536) as the 6970. ATI manufactures one chip for use in both cards. They merely bin them out just like AMD and Intel do for they're CPU's.
So, if someone has a dual core Phenom II that is unlocked to use all four of its potentially viable cores and they run at 3.2Ghz reliably, they have got what amounts to EXACTLY the same thing as a Phenom II 955 (AMD's Phenom II X4 3.2Ghz CPU). They have the exact same architecture and features as that model and will perform identically. (with the exception of variations in temp and voltage which vary among all cpu's regardless of their model # designation)
The fact that my video card is branded a 6950 means jack. It is using 1536 shaders and has the exact same specifications as a 6970. It IS a 6970 (clocked even higher than a 6970 and still at 6950 voltage i might add, so not even close pushing it).
Bottom line is, don't be ignorant. I'm not saying I'm LIKELY to get the same OC as a "true" 6970, but the fact is that depending on the yield of any particular chip, you just might. Point in case, I've got a 1055t at 4.06Ghz on air (noctua d-14) and my buddy has the 1100t and it only hits 3.9ghz using a corsair H100. You're telling me the cpu's aren't going to perform the same (clock for clock) because the name on the box suggest it won't?? If that's what you're saying than you're simply ignorant.
So, if someone has a dual core Phenom II that is unlocked to use all four of its potentially viable cores and they run at 3.2Ghz reliably, they have got what amounts to EXACTLY the same thing as a Phenom II 955 (AMD's Phenom II X4 3.2Ghz CPU). They have the exact same architecture and features as that model and will perform identically. (with the exception of variations in temp and voltage which vary among all cpu's regardless of their model # designation)
The fact that my video card is branded a 6950 means jack. It is using 1536 shaders and has the exact same specifications as a 6970. It IS a 6970 (clocked even higher than a 6970 and still at 6950 voltage i might add, so not even close pushing it).
Bottom line is, don't be ignorant. I'm not saying I'm LIKELY to get the same OC as a "true" 6970, but the fact is that depending on the yield of any particular chip, you just might. Point in case, I've got a 1055t at 4.06Ghz on air (noctua d-14) and my buddy has the 1100t and it only hits 3.9ghz using a corsair H100. You're telling me the cpu's aren't going to perform the same (clock for clock) because the name on the box suggest it won't?? If that's what you're saying than you're simply ignorant.
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BTW, I can't wait to see another 3dfx inspired power hungry monster come out of Nvidia. ATI have and always will have more elegant GPU's. If you want a space heater/GPU buy Nvidia.
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[citation][nom]dragonsqrrl[/nom]The bare card without cooler:http://guru3d.com/news/more-amd-ta [...] s-surface/[/citation]
Ahhhhh yaaaaaa.... take it off girl!
Ahhhhh yaaaaaa.... take it off girl!
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[citation][nom]a4mula[/nom]For those that say unlocked 6950s aren't 6970s, they have no idea what they're talking about. It's the same exact board. A 6950 IS a 6970 with disabled shaders and a factory underclock. Hence a 6950 with those unlocked shaders and put back to 6970 speeds, IS a 6970. The car analogy was horrendous. If you have a porche that somewhat put an artificial limiter on, and you remove it, guess what? It's still a porche.That being said the 7xxx series only means better prices for the 6xxx series as far as I'm concerned. 3 months of reference boards at bleeding edge prices? Thanks, but no.[/citation]
Exactly.
I wonder if we can take the "governor" off the 7950?? With the new bios switches ATI has been adding to their reference boards; it would seem so..
Exactly.
I wonder if we can take the "governor" off the 7950?? With the new bios switches ATI has been adding to their reference boards; it would seem so..
[citation][nom]a4mula[/nom]For those that say unlocked 6950s aren't 6970s, they have no idea what they're talking about. It's the same exact board. A 6950 IS a 6970 with disabled shaders and a factory underclock. Hence a 6950 with those unlocked shaders and put back to 6970 speeds, IS a 6970. The car analogy was horrendous. If you have a porche that somewhat put an artificial limiter on, and you remove it, guess what? It's still a porche.That being said the 7xxx series only means better prices for the 6xxx series as far as I'm concerned. 3 months of reference boards at bleeding edge prices? Thanks, but no.[/citation]
Right, and when that "same exact board" fails because it wasn't meant to have all that unlocked, don't expect to be able to go crying to AMD to have them replace your now out-of-warranty card.
They are binned and get cut-down specs for a reason. When dies are fabricated, they don't all come out exactly the same. It's called yield quality. Some dies end up better performing than others. The lesser performing dies get their output cut down to lessen the chance of failures in the future. These are the 6950s. Sure, you can "unlock" them by modifying their firmware and telling them to do the work of a 6970, but since the die wasn't planned to do that, there's a good chance it's going to crap out on you in the near future and you'll be up a creek without a warranty (as flashing/unlocking GPUs very much voids it).
It's true that sometimes to meet demand, the manufacturer will intentionally take a better die and gimp it to become a lesser GPU, making unlocking safe, but you have no way in knowing which 6950s were originally suited as 6970s and which ones should stay as 6950s. It's your money on the line.
Right, and when that "same exact board" fails because it wasn't meant to have all that unlocked, don't expect to be able to go crying to AMD to have them replace your now out-of-warranty card.
They are binned and get cut-down specs for a reason. When dies are fabricated, they don't all come out exactly the same. It's called yield quality. Some dies end up better performing than others. The lesser performing dies get their output cut down to lessen the chance of failures in the future. These are the 6950s. Sure, you can "unlock" them by modifying their firmware and telling them to do the work of a 6970, but since the die wasn't planned to do that, there's a good chance it's going to crap out on you in the near future and you'll be up a creek without a warranty (as flashing/unlocking GPUs very much voids it).
It's true that sometimes to meet demand, the manufacturer will intentionally take a better die and gimp it to become a lesser GPU, making unlocking safe, but you have no way in knowing which 6950s were originally suited as 6970s and which ones should stay as 6950s. It's your money on the line.
[citation][nom]wolfram23[/nom]Going to be sick! And only $750! Lol!300W isn't bad, I'm probably using more than that between my two OCed 5850s... so, dropping in a single much faster card would be a win for sure!Just gotta wait for the hydro version...[/citation]
that is europe price, they have retardedly high taxes on things like this, and i believe they are factored in, im assuming those numbers are 100-150$ less for the north american market.
[citation][nom]jtt283[/nom]It shouldn't take the wattage of a hair dryer to play games, even on excellent settings. I want to see 6970 performance on the power requirements of a 6850; 6850 performance on the requirements of a 6670. THOSE improvements would be nice. The card I have can play all my games maxed, so it isn't GPU muscle I need.[/citation]
well... look at this this way... the wiiu will be coming out with hardware tessellation, and it will be used, currently cards take a 30-40% hit when using even a small amount of tessellation... there may be a great need for a card like this in the coming years, especialy if the wiiu gets lead platform.
[citation][nom]megamanx00[/nom]All the reasonable voices that wanted to keep the die size down were fired -_-. Well, I suppose as a halo product it doesn't even need to turn much of a profit, but we'll see how the volume parts do.[/citation]
the die size should be as large as what its replacing, that way cost is about the same, but its power is far higher... i dont want a die shrink and it taking less power, but preforming the same, and costing less out of the highest end cards, i want the process shrink that the die to stay the same size, and blow the crap out of anything else currently out there.
[citation][nom]robochump[/nom]7000 series needs to be at least 20% faster than 6000 to be a winner. Also being more power efficient is a plus but comparable would be nice.[/citation]
rumors are putting the high end card at the same speed as dual gpu solutions.
that is europe price, they have retardedly high taxes on things like this, and i believe they are factored in, im assuming those numbers are 100-150$ less for the north american market.
[citation][nom]jtt283[/nom]It shouldn't take the wattage of a hair dryer to play games, even on excellent settings. I want to see 6970 performance on the power requirements of a 6850; 6850 performance on the requirements of a 6670. THOSE improvements would be nice. The card I have can play all my games maxed, so it isn't GPU muscle I need.[/citation]
well... look at this this way... the wiiu will be coming out with hardware tessellation, and it will be used, currently cards take a 30-40% hit when using even a small amount of tessellation... there may be a great need for a card like this in the coming years, especialy if the wiiu gets lead platform.
[citation][nom]megamanx00[/nom]All the reasonable voices that wanted to keep the die size down were fired -_-. Well, I suppose as a halo product it doesn't even need to turn much of a profit, but we'll see how the volume parts do.[/citation]
the die size should be as large as what its replacing, that way cost is about the same, but its power is far higher... i dont want a die shrink and it taking less power, but preforming the same, and costing less out of the highest end cards, i want the process shrink that the die to stay the same size, and blow the crap out of anything else currently out there.
[citation][nom]robochump[/nom]7000 series needs to be at least 20% faster than 6000 to be a winner. Also being more power efficient is a plus but comparable would be nice.[/citation]
rumors are putting the high end card at the same speed as dual gpu solutions.
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Everything you said is true. I've never (knock on wood) had a a "smartly" oc'd board die on me. Again, you shouldn't oc any chip beyond what it is capable of and I never run anything at (or relatively near) its MAX possible frequency, voltage or heat. That being said it is my money and I'll gladly chance it again and again because historically speaking it's enabled me and many others to extract higher product spec performance out of lower cost components.
Thanks for the re-iterated heads up tho
Everything you said is true. I've never (knock on wood) had a a "smartly" oc'd board die on me. Again, you shouldn't oc any chip beyond what it is capable of and I never run anything at (or relatively near) its MAX possible frequency, voltage or heat. That being said it is my money and I'll gladly chance it again and again because historically speaking it's enabled me and many others to extract higher product spec performance out of lower cost components.
Thanks for the re-iterated heads up tho
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