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Well, let's see. AMD has lost $5B and Intel has been found guilty of bad things all over the world. I guess I could have screwed em up worse than that. You're right.
 
^Like keeping the prices high on something that was 1. older arch (K8) and 2. did not perform as well (K8/K10)?

Sure keep the prices higher knowing that people will buy whatever is cheaper and gives the best bang for their buck. Thats a brilliant strategy.
 
Let me respond to you why your advices would've resulted in bigger crisis than AMD is in now.



Well at the moment, Intel is the only one with a quad core mobile CPU, and that unit itself costs over 1000 USD. Aside from that, AMD's CPU would have to lower mobile Deneb's prices in order to compete aganst the mobile Yorkfield. How many people will actually spend that much money in purchasing such a high end mobile CPU? As statistics show, people are much more willing to pay for high end graphics than CPU. If that's the case, what's the point of AMD entering into the fray, commit resources in optimizing Deneb for mobile, and further divert resources from else where? It also seems that Deneb will not have the TDP to actually fit into the mobile segment. AMD would have to wait for 45nm HK/MG, or even 32nm HK/MG before attempting something like that.

I'm not sure how far you would've dropped the prices, but if at the moment performance / price is the only reason why people would select AMD over Intel. In the world where switching from one company to another means an entire makeover in your computer components, AMD's first goal is to secure a relatively safe footing in the market share; to keep AMD users from switching over to Intel. Even if they do lose money now due to extremely low prices, the platform compatibility will allow users to purchase much higher performance CPUs, with much better margin, in the case they do come out.

As for mobile, you have to realize one thing: mobile sector is Intel's playground. Intel has been dominant in the mobile sector since the launch of Centrino back in 2003. Centrino laptops have became a household name for laptop. Therefore in order for AMD to penetrate the market and establish a footing, they would not only have to commit extra resources in altering the current AMD system architecture to favor mobile platform, but also spend enough on marketing to increase the brand awareness. For a cash strapped AMD, it makes much more sense to be in a defensive position, and fortify its foothold in the server segment.



I'm not exactly sure about what you meant by "typing products together", but your "suggestion" of Intel leaving ATI license couldn't be more wrong. Due to the lackluster performance current AMD CPUs have, and users tendency to go for Intel's offering, by confining Crossfire technology only to AMD chipset is no doubt a suicide, just like Nvidia. AMD would lost a lot of graphics card sales just because Crossfire technology is not available on Intel chipset, which is currently the best chipset available on the market for Intel CPUs.

As for IGPs, I think you're overestimating the importance of graphics power. As statistics show, Intel currently controls about 60% of the IGP market, while AMD only controls ~15%. However everyone + dog knows that Intel's chipset sucks arse, while AMD's chipset kicks arse. Why is that?

Personally I don't understand why you have a beef with Intel entering the XO market. Intel is not stretched too thin.

Don't worry about Nehalem. It will do much better than you expect. Sure, it requires a new board, new RAM, but it also offers a lot of advantages that Penryn and Deneb cannot offer. It won't be too long before OEMs switch to GFX equipped Havendale for mainstream and low end PCs, to conserve cost by taking off redundant chipsets.

On the other hand, it would make absolutely no sense by releasing server parts first. Remember Dunnington? It has just been released this year. By releasing server Nehalem parts will only eats up the sales of those products. Oppositely, if Nehalem is released to the enthusiasts crowd first, then it may build up the hypes, which in turn helps more companies to switch to Nehalem.

 


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You know what your talking about.... NOT.



Yeah, why release the initial trickle of CPUs to the most expensive markets, where the profit margins are largest, where performance is everything, where reputations will spread quickly and be of far more value to the real decision makers in companies when you can sell for comparatively nothing to some enthusiasts?

Hmmm..... let me see....
 
I agree with amiga here, thats a no brainer. Also, do you have a reliable link for the TDP Deneb mobile? Im just asking, as Id like to read it. Itd suck, if true, or be put in a very limited use scenario
 




None of that explains anything. You just ramble for three paragraphs.
 
Intel clearly wants to own this market. The server market has been making them itch, thus the Nehalem = no great shakes for gaming/desktop. They abandoned DT for server this round. Good for the bottom line ya know. And people are ticked because AMD may show a profit? Hafta own that too? I dont care how AMD does it, if it doesnt hurt their future capacity to continue, then its fine. Would a solid, AMD sold x amount of cpus, their gpus are selling like hot cakes, are in the black as well, plus their other ventures all in the black because of marketing,innovation and coming thru look better? Sure
 



How could you say rambling...

When you have rambled so much over time .. you have a walking stick, a pair of rambling boots and a dog called Norman for that occasion...


Talk about pot calling the kettle black.
 


You still going on about gaming and such? Will you be happy when everyone just agrees with you? If Intel isnt making any major movements in gaming then neither will AMD. Its the same both ways. Only ATI and nVidia will.

No one should be getting pissed IF AMD does profit because that would be great but considering the source, who has been known to be a fanboy and wrong numerous times (i.e. reverse hyper-threading), its hard to believe it. I will believe it when AMD reports this without having to take a hit from the ATI purchase.

But here is what you ahve to remember, the market that buys the GPUs is so small that even if the ATI division was showing a profit it could in no way make up for the CPU side if the CPU side was showing loss.
 
FYI guys, Intel and AMD are pretty much at the bleeding edge of semiconducter manufacturing. When all that expensive FAB equipment is no longer useful for the bleeding edge, it's resold to people who don't need the newest FAB equipment out there. Just part of normal business. Intel even has their resale equipment online for would-be buyers to see http://resale.intel.com
 
My comment only mentioned the gpu side of AMD as a whole, meaning like 1 piston in an engine, with all working to their potential, itd be great for AMD, and would of course be ideal. I mentioned it because even tho its great to see, and experience one of those gpus, that do so well, its only 1 part thats doing this good, and from whats being implied in certain posts here, its like selling old equipment is a lousy thing to hang your hat on, when all Im saying is, it doesnt matter how AMD makes money at this point, whether Intel or AMD sell off their old tech, they still make money off it. And, like I said, itd be surely better to see all factions of AMD operating smoothly and in the black. You completely misunderstood what Ive been saying. Some people in this thread had crapped all over this, going into business semantics on the merit of having more cash, which I replied to as who cares as long as its there for AMD. It helps, and moreso down the road