AMD Phenom II 940 "Xtremely" Benchmarked

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6.3ghz is good and all, but pointless as nobody can and will be using LN2 in their home desktop for playing games. That goes for any chip on any LN2 test. But at least it proves stability which provides backbone for the lower clocks.

3.9ghz on air sounds fine to me, so does 3.8, 3.7, or 4.0.
 
http://www.hardocp.com/

Phenom II shows up in the HardForums. First thread with pics and specs and a second thread with benchmarks. Seems they were for sale as well. Two sites had Phenom II 940 and 920 processors for sale, but they have been pulled. For the record, I would not expect to see any official Phenom II information from [H]ard|OCP until the second week of January, as AMD seems to be making us hold our information till it is worthless as far as any surprises. But I will say this, I don't think we would have anything surprising to show you anyway, unless you actually had high expectations for Phenom II. If you own a socket AM2+ motherboard, I would not throw it out quite yet, but I damn sure would not be purchasing a new one.
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The [H]ard way of bashing.
 


I thought those boys at hard loved AMD, I honestly hope its not gonna be a lack luster retail entrance like the original k10.

Word, Playa.
 
^We can only hope for that not to happen. But you know marketing and PR. They don't know how to stop sticking their foot in their mouth.

And all this "6GHz on LN2" hype is annoying. Stupid people will think that makes the chip great. And then they will be let down, hard.

But thats stupid ppl for ya.
 


After reading the two threads on their forums I'm fairly certain that the person posting the benchmarks over there is talking out of his rear end, a sentiment that seems to be echoed by most of the members of that forum.

To quote one of the users over there:
Curious... Why would someone unfamiliar with recent
AMD tech be given an "Unreleased" chip in the first place...?
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I don't really know where the writers at HardOCP stand on AMD as they hardly ever seem to review anything made by them. I mainly chalk this up to the fact that the site is primarily catering to the hardcore gamer and as such generally only reviews high end hardware. When viewed from that perspective, one could surmise that anything that isn't as fast as i7 (which it seems fairly clear Phenom II will not be) is a disappointment. That's what I read into their comment at any rate.

 


I agree with you there. It's seemed to me that their stance was always "If it's not the best of the best then it's crap". While that's all well and good if you have the money to build a high-end rig it doesn't do much for those of us who are looking for a more mainstream solution. Different target audiences I suppose.

 
Also, in the quote, a AM2+ doesnt contain the improvements of AM3 obviously, which may be where theyre going with this, since AM3 is right around the corner. And AM3 is supposed to have a few nice tweaks to it. Im not sure, theyre just so lame, and I dont speak "Kyle" speak, and from what Ive seen, if you dont overthere, you dont last
 
It was quite a [H]ard statement, but what Just_An_Eng said about them "only caring about the absolute best" makes some sense. But it's surprising they were so [H]arsh not to even talk about its overclocking potential, nonetheless [supposing it is really there]. What I want to see is what AM3 will bring to the table, since if I will have to go DDR3 either way, the cost difference between going Nehalem and AM3 Phenom II would be much smaller than that the current AMD portfolio offers. Phenom II (especially the AM3 one) *really* needs to pay off, and AMD will have a hard time trying to prove their AM3 platform is worth my money [that could very well go to Intel, especially with the Hydra thing being much more appealing to me than quad-cores could ever be].
 
By the way, I remember Anandtech or Techreport saying that Hydra could be implemented either on the motherboards or on a solution like the X2s from ATI. Problem is that Intel is the one behind the not so shy investments on Lucid, so, go figure.
 

think that's because, intel does not want nvidia's name plastered on there box
 
Intel dosent have a problem with ATI being branded on their chipsets/motherboards, its been like that for years. But as rangers said its a different story with Nvidia, im sure Intel dosent like how EVGA has handled their X58 motherboard.
 



i don't think intel cares much what EVGA has on its box (or any company for that matter), intel got the cash off them for the chipset, so as far as intel is concerned, its all good, what im saying is, intel would have to pay nvidia to advertise on its own box, its ok to have crossfire on the box, ATI does not charge for that privilege

companies the size of intel can make or brake a company and nvidia got on the wrong side of them, (with the Can of Whoop Ass) if they had played it right, they would have gave intel the SLI licence, and i think thats what it comes down to
 


If you were following that thread I am suprised you did not post this update.

"I have to correct my little bit too enthusiastic "5ghz+ 9650 is needed to beat 4580 deneb " - while I was comparing some days ago I did not notice all the XP scores on hwbot. With both, deneb and QX9650 under vista the advantage of the deneb will not be that huge anymore but still there is some for AMD in wprime I would say."
 
Yea, my bad. Youre right, I didnt. I done so much linking and reading, Ive somewhat lost track, as theres more links etc to follow as well.
To me, it either we have more, or its just running more and more of the same. For some, this is still firstahnd, and its good to seeand hear, but Im waiting on a few things, as eventually theyll surface

Understand tho, I also didnt mention where a 780 board was used, or where the multi was used only in a 3DMark test, instead of the HT etc. I leave people thatre inot this to read the links I quote, or just the links I link to. If youre critiquiing the way I do it, just point it out at the time, Ill certainly oblige
 


Yep. nVidia got on Intels bad side and was being stupid about the license, and instead of working with Intel decided to be against them to try to sell more of their chipsets.

Problem is that Intels chipsets are better for Intels chips than nVidias are. Just like AMDs chipsets are now better than non AMD chipsets. Because they know thier chip better. Sure the whole SLI thing got them more sales but I can't remember the countless people who wanted a Intel CPU and chipset and SLI would give up SLI for the Intel chipset and just a single card.

But Intel kinda has it now. Although I think nVidia is still being stupid about it and doing it with the wrong company TBH. But hey, thats how they decided to play the cards right?



Nice. Well. Its like a lot of things pre release. It gets hyped, fanboys think its the god chip and most shut up when its released and not as great as they thought it was. Then some still hold onto their undying love for it. Sad but true.
 
Im still waiting. I guess I shouldnt have included that reference, but again, who knows? Therell soon be better benches coming, and then we can see whats what. I think by not adding the positive things, like HT link vs multi, is alot like not adding something Id forgotten I linked to. I could go on about how 3DMark will be alot better than just using the multi, but whats the point? No ones pointing that out? So, I let it rest and wait for more info
 

Are you feeling upset that your Q6600 and most other Intel Core 2 Quads are not up to par with the Phenom II? Don't feel too bad the AM2+ Phenom II isn't meant to compete with the enthusiast Core i7.

 
As long as people are looking to buy Q6600s, theyll be looking at these as well. Real competition. Weve all seen very recently people wanting Q6600s, and the lamentations of its demise. But the zeal for this chip should be as high as for the Q6600 if priced right, and perdformance comes thru. If people dont have the same zeal after having as good or better performance, and at good pricing, then theyre slanting a good product on company preferences, which is fine, as long as they arent the onesholding on, and disillusioned
 
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