AMD Phenom II 940 "Xtremely" Benchmarked

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Add in the fact that people still expound on how well and high the P4s oceed to this day, tho the comparisons werent even close to the same in perf, P4 vs FX and P2 vs C2D. AM3 will be a hair below Yorksfield, and juast as my guesstimation with P2 vs Kentsfield was prettyt close, this will be also. They appear to oc better first of all (AM3), they have a slightly higher stock clock, theyve added a few other tweaks as well, and itll be close. This SHOULD be good news, as it opens the availble options in pricing and perf weve all been waiting for from AMD, and NOT to have just Intel in a 1 sided choice.
So, I dont see the problems with P2, unless youre a Intel fanboi
 



I don't know about that. The 880G will have a 4xxx generation IGP, whereas the HD3200 is built around a Radeon 2400.

Considering how worthless Intel IGP's are, this is good news for AMD in budget and mainstream OEM's and HTPC's. As I found when my 3870x2 failed, a recent AMD IGP isn't bad as a backup for light gaming until it's replaced.

For the 890 class motherboards, PCIe 3 could make a significant difference in CrossfireX with two 4870x2's for those that can afford them. I might think there's a situation where PCIe 2 would be exceeded.
 
Add in the fact that people still expound on how well and high the P4s oceed to this day, tho the comparisons werent even close to the same in perf, P4 vs FX and P2 vs C2D. AM3 will be a hair below Yorksfield, and juast as my guesstimation with P2 vs Kentsfield was prettyt close, this will be also. They appear to oc better first of all (AM3), they have a slightly higher stock clock, theyve added a few other tweaks as well, and itll be close. This SHOULD be good news, as it opens the availble options in pricing and perf weve all been waiting for from AMD, and NOT to have just Intel in a 1 sided choice.
So, I dont see the problems with P2, unless youre a Intel fanboi
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now the problem i have with phenom 1, at clock for clock it's
slower then intels comparable chips and didn't overclock well
at all.
Phenom 2 is the same chip with a better overclock ability but
the same clock for clock deficiency.
So while it's a step forward for AMD it's not eqaul or better
then the intel chips thats all i'm saying.
 
We could have made the same argument back in the Pentium D vs. Athlon X2 days, but Intel was rewarded for every improvement they made. AMD will make improvements until they can come out with a new architecture that might actually beat Intel again.

What AMD's great for are chipsets and IGP's. I'd rather have an AMD system with a 780G or 790GX for light gaming or an HTPC than an Intel. I'd rather have an AMD system for more serious gaming with a decent graphics card than a similarly priced Intel.

I chose the B3 Phenom 8750 over an E7300 because the 8750 either matches or comes close in games and does much better in applications that use the extra core.

Can't wait to get the Phenom II 940 in two weeks!
 
And saying that P2 is the same clock for clock, Ill just say that Kentsfield is actually faster than Yorkfield, since we dont really need to stick with reality.

Just like you didnt know that FX was killing P4 clock for clock, I wouldnt expect you to really know that P2 is faster than P1 clock for clock, as you onyl see Intel, and thats a shame, cause theres more out there than just Intel.

So, go on, say P2 isnt faster than P1, and watch your credibility slip away. Up to you
 
So, go on, say P2 isnt faster than P1, and watch your credibility slip away. Up to you
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Pretty much like your credibility slipped away when ph2 was
actually released, and the hype was shown to be just that
you and AMD's hype.
 


There's a big difference between speculating on rumors before a product is released and spouting utter BS after the true facts are known as you have been doing.
 
You are the only 1 to say P2=P1 clock for clock. No one else has said this. Not one review site, no one here, or on any other forum Ive read. My only 2 guesstimations were already stated, and so far, the one turned out to be very very close. I stated it as a guess when I did it. The AM3 is the other, and we still dont know its true impact tregarding performance. Itll be faster, that Im certain of, how much from there is a guess, and Im guessing 4% like AMD said.
Now, going by these facts, which can be all looked up, why would you say its hype? Maybe only because as Intel was held with ultimate respect while tons of leaks were coming out about i7, as well as the "I snuck off while they werent looking" preview that Anand did, which I was the first to link to here on the forums, and all the other "leaks", it began to look like pre release hype to me. If you say Ive hyped P2 in a way that isnt so, then thats wrong. If you say Ive hyped P2 just as many others hyped i7, to show its potential, which was later confirmed, then I agree with you, as there isnt anything wrong with this type of hype. I just dont defend it as not being hype, as long as its true, unlike others here who couldnt stand that being applied to an Intel product, which is a shame
 
There's a big difference between speculating on rumors before a product is released and spouting utter BS after the true facts are known as you have been doing.
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You may not like what i got to say, but not even you can change the facts, you can buy the best of the phenoms and their a few intel chips
that can top it.
 
Not for the same price, and AM3 isnt out yet, which will only close that gap ever more so
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Your right it will come closer to closing gap with 9xxx series
but still second rate. it still will not compete with the i7's.
 
No, not in certain scenarios, many actually. But that isnt someting Im concerned about, as many of those thing i7 is better at I dont use, and others, its simply not a deal breaker whenn it come to overall costs. I dont have to admit i7 is faster at thing like winrar etc, as I believe what Ive seen in the reviews Ive read, as well as the users whove stated their usage as being pleasantly surprised by i7s performance in those things. But, when it comes to gaing, the costs dont override the perf there, and many a buyer feel the same, as theyll stck to there Kents, or Yorkies, or their AMDs, and upgrade to P2.
 
Heres another thing. Theres alot of AMD users on older systems, skt939 and even older. They prefer AMD, as theyve always treated them well. In the past 1 1/2 years, those smae people were presnted with P1 or AM2 dual upgrade paths. Many went astray if you will, simply because of the Intel superiority with their C2Ds, which no longer exist. Those who went P1 or AM2 can now upgade to P2, and those on older systems dont have to make a decision of going away from AMD to get better perf, so, in essense, the bleeding may have stopped, and new buyers have more options
 
Ummm, it wouldnt occur to anyone that AM3 needs to sell, and is a lil faster than P2 currently is, that maybe itll be within the same pricing, and the mobos wont be tri channel, and most wont have all the extras and will be cheaper to make, and cheaper to price. So, DDR3 is a wash, the AM3s will be cheaper than i7s, and the mobos will be cheaper. Common sense anyone?
 
No, not in certain scenarios, many actually. But that isnt someting Im concerned about, as many of those thing i7 is better at I dont use, and others, its simply not a deal breaker whenn it come to overall costs. I dont have to admit i7 is faster at thing like winrar etc, as I believe what Ive seen in the reviews Ive read, as well as the users whove stated their usage as being pleasantly surprised by i7s performance in those things. But, when it comes to gaing, the costs dont override the perf there, and many a buyer feel the same, as theyll stck to there Kents, or Yorkies, or their AMDs, and upgrade to P2.
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Well JDJ if it about the 1 thing you do which is (games) my only ?
to you would be, why do you have a phenom 1 at the time when
you bought it, kentsfield was the best at what you do games.
So wouldn't be considered a fanboi move, you clearly didn't by
the best for what you do.
 
Theres fanbois and theres brand preference. Some people are a lil of each, some more one way than the other. I wouldnt call having brand preference fanboism, tho both can be swayed by performance. Those "burned" by AMD failing to compete are some of AMDs worst critics, including Intel fanbois. It all depends exactly how open you are to how good things are, and how less tied you are to brand preference.
Just look at the reviews, maybe only 1 or 2 actually did anything with P2's tweaking, which adds performance, and is more complicated than just raising the fsb. Most didnt, as they really dont want to learn another way of doing things. Normally, thatd be brand preference in my eyes, but its their jobs, and I mark it down to as pure laziness
 


I don't have any problem with what you say providing that it is true, which some of your recent posts in this thread haven't been. I'm honestly surprised that you have the stones to be questioning other poster's credibility only a few posts after being found to have been making up statistics in the same thread.
 
So we are all agreed then that the PII is about the same as a Kenty on IPC ... rough enough anyway?

Slight advantage to either on a few titles etc.

Both about the same thermals ...

Keith ... would you agree there?

 


The thermals are better, pretty close to Penryn. But I completely agree with the rest. They trade very decent blows. Keith knows better, though.
 
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