AMD Phenom II 940 "Xtremely" Benchmarked

[EXT64]

Yeah, even with AMD doing good, if I already had an Intel platform I know I wouldn't be able to justify a switch to AMD over a Q9550.

 

[spathotan]

Like I said in an earlier post in this thread, I dont think im alone on this. AMD has put out a great chip, but unfortunately they have landed in a extremely overpopulated area.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Yea, already having a setup makes it harder to justify the jump, just depends on where youre coming from. Maybe Deneb will be priced close enough, and perform well enough. We will know maybe as soon as friday

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Deneb at 1.087 Vcore running at 3Ghz

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=209491&page=22

 

[spathotan]

Thats pretty damn low. Makes my 3.2ghz @ 1.26v look like a monger.

 

[mercatordesigns]

For me it is not a matter of Intel vs AMD. It is about what I can get my hands on, that will do the job I want for a price I want to pay.

I dont look at it as... Does the PII beat out the Q6600... I dont have a Q6600...

No I ask... Does the PII beat out a 5200+ 90nm running at stock 2.6Ghz.

Damn straight it does.

And from all the gossip on the web supposedly the PII 940 is going to drop in under $280.00, Which is fine by me.

On a side note. Its funny to think of AMD's chip as PII, seeing as I still have a PII 266 laying around somewere

Merc.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Yea, you have to be careful of typos heheh

 

[3rror_08]

i am ovr this intel vs amd **** i here it all the time as i have built amd computers nearly all my life and never had a problem with anything.

i currently own a phenom 9950 BE oced to 4.3ghz on phase change cooling
on a m3a79t deluxe mobo
8gb corsair dominator RAM
two water cooled 4870 x2s by asus
nothrbridge is watercooled
two veloci raptor 300gb hdd

now ppl are saying that amd is just beating the Q6600 well i can tell you now my pc kick that cpus arse from here to china and i have had it now two months so dont go dissin amd

by the way for price for performance amd all the way if you really want to spend in excess of 2000 aud dollars for a few hundred benchmark points go ahead.

the phenom II 940 comes out next year and spec wise looks identical to intels i7 940 but with a higher clock

both chips have a higher cache both 8mb, and the multiplier maxs out on both chips at 21.

so plz explain y all the good ppl reading this should go and spend an extra 300-400 dollars on the i7 940 when they a identical and the phenom II 940 is $418

 

[spathotan]

I wouldnt exactly call Phenom II and i7 "identical". Thats a little far off. Youre forgetting about the i7's HT...8 threads. Its going to beat the Phenom II in multi-thread applications regardless.

But on the flip side, the Phenom II has a far FAR lower TDP and VID.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

I agree, the MT on i7 looks awesome, tho using more than 4 threads on DT looks aways off tho

 

[blackpanther26]

i am ovr this intel vs amd **** i here it all the time as i have built amd computers nearly all my life and never had a problem with anything.

i currently own a phenom 9950 BE oced to 4.3ghz on phase change cooling
on a m3a79t deluxe mobo
8gb corsair dominator RAM
two water cooled 4870 x2s by asus
nothrbridge is watercooled
two veloci raptor 300gb hdd

now ppl are saying that amd is just beating the Q6600 well i can tell you now my pc kick that cpus arse from here to china and i have had it now two months so dont go dissin amd

by the way for price for performance amd all the way if you really want to spend in excess of 2000 aud dollars for a few hundred benchmark points go ahead.

the phenom II 940 comes out next year and spec wise looks identical to intels i7 940 but with a higher clock

both chips have a higher cache both 8mb, and the multiplier maxs out on both chips at 21.

so plz explain y all the good ppl reading this should go and spend an extra 300-400 dollars on the i7 940 when they a identical and the phenom II 940 is $418

that would be nice to see as a validation for a Phenom 9950 at 4.3GHz. I highly doubt it sence the highest posted for Phenom on Ln2 is 4GHz.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Yea, 4Ghz is what Ive heard as well

 

[EXT64]

Some big claims for a first post too

 

[spathotan]

He must be running that "new" phase change. You know, the one that changes hot to cold, coals to diamonds, sand to glass.......BS to reality.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Well, heres a P1 running at 3.7 on water, and its one of the best, and its close to the limits there

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=464185

 

[spathotan]

Says Not Validated on the CPUZ link and "Rejected by CPUz" up top.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Yea, but hes done 3.6, and he will get 3.7, just a matter of time. My point was in regards to 4.3 . This was rejected at 3.7, tho, like I said, 3.6 this guys already done. So 4.3 sounds out of reach, as someone who has a very nice "golden" cpu is struggling to get 3.7 on water

 

[yipsl]

Edit: yipsl, the xbit review of Intel dual cores was of severely cache reduced versions. When you compare a triple or even dual normal CPU versus cache crippled versions, you paint the former in bright light. When we look instead at xbit's main review of Phenom x3, where we have full Conroes and Wolfdales, the x3 gets slaughtered, and that is where you see the price/performance problem. Intel's extreme budget line was never strong to begin with.

The original Toliman 8750 review compared it to similary priced Conroes and Wolfdales. The later "crippled cache" budget Intel comparison was just as apt because AMD dropped the price of the 8750. I got mine in September for $129. When compared to similarly priced Intel duo's, the 8750 does well in games and much, much better in apps that use more cores.

Would a Q6600 be better? Yes, but so would a 9850. That's not the price range where the 8750's been marketed. Also, if I recall, the older review stressed games that didn't use 3 or 4 cores. I use mine for heavy gaming by my standards, plus video applications where the 8750 does well enough vs. the 9750/9850's from AMD and the Q6600 from Intel.

Perhaps it's a small market segment, but perfect for a 780G board.

Actually with the current phenoms you see a good 5-10% performance increase, and the Phenom II might be even better!

I'm definitely getting 4 gigs of DDR2 1066 this income tax return season. I've suspected that legacy DDR2 800's been slowing me down.

 

[sighQ2]

wootwoot! go AMD, bout bloody time you give us a "REAL" quadcore. not this phenom 2.6GHZ crap.

im saving my money for this new deneb CPU. looks like hope for all of us AMD people. i just hope that the rumors are true that some of the PhenomII CPUs will fit in the AM2+ socket.

Yes. They will all fit assuming your board has a bios upgrade. The am3 cpu's are back compatible to am2. But not the other way around.

 

[The_Blood_Raven]

My cousin wants a quad core to replace his E6750, and since a 45nm Intel quad is out of reach thansk to the 680i motherboard, Phenom II is looking pretty good. If it can justify itself for a mobo swap then I'll buy him it as a late christmas present. If (big if) I am impressed enough with it I'll buy it for myself too!

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

http://my.ocworkbench.com/2008/asrock/ASRock-AOD790G-128M-running-Phenom-II-X4-940-overclocking/Phenom_II_Cinebench10-9.htm

This looks really good. i7 doesnt look very good for its price if this holds up

 

[dattimr]

http://my.ocworkbench.com/2008/asrock/ASRock-AOD790G-128M-running-Phenom-II-X4-940-overclocking/Phenom_II_Cinebench10-9.htm

This looks really good. i7 doesnt look very good for its price if this holds up

OS used: WINDOWS 32 BIT.

Meaningless.

Scores of the 64-bit version largely differ from those of the link (and Phenom I already pulls slightly ahead of Core 2 in terms of improvement per clock when going 64-bit, probably something like 5-7%, although in the end Phenom I/II might still lose in the overall score).

Besides, look at the Cinebench scores of the first picture I posted on this thread and compare.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

But itll play Crysis heheh and wins too

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

So, youre saying that going 64bit, itll win by a larger amount?
http://my.ocworkbench.com/2008/asrock/ASRock-AOD790G-128M-running-Phenom-II-X4-940-overclocking/Phenom_II_crysis-benchmark-8.htm

 

[dattimr]

So, youre saying that going 64bit, itll win by a larger amount?
http://my.ocworkbench.com/2008/asrock/ASRock-AOD790G-128M-running-Phenom-II-X4-940-overclocking/Phenom_II_crysis-benchmark-8.htm

Certainly. It will beat the QX9770 by a hefty margin if it's already ahead of it in 32-bit. Perhaps not by so much unless the OS is coupled with Crysis 64. Can't say the same about beating the i7, though, since it can do macro-fusion in 64-bit too, unlike Core 2. Reviews will tell. But better than Penryn (in this case), rest assured.