AMD Piledriver rumours ... and expert conjecture

[Reynod]

We have had several requests for a sticky on AMD's yet to be released Piledriver architecture ... so here it is.

I want to make a few things clear though.

Post a question relevant to the topic, or information about the topic, or it will be deleted.

Post any negative personal comments about another user ... and they will be deleted.

Post flame baiting comments about the blue, red and green team and they will be deleted.

Enjoy ...

 

[noob2222]

I've been reading around so far no one and hardly no site at all has posted what differences there are between socket FS1 and FS1r2 knowing that people have been thinking about upgrading from Llano to Trinity for their laptops.

so far the only thing I have seen is multi-gpu eyefinity outputs on trinity boards, but thats totally up to the vendors to put them on.

 

[jimmysmitty]

HD7670 is not even sold by AMD ,it's a reserved slot for console makers and other oem only
on DT models
each generation the igp is bumped up on the APU
7660G triple x-fires with 2x hd7770
2133mhz memory OC
My investment portfolio on AMD mentions this,as well AMD's site also mentioned it.
if it can handle eyefinity 4 screens ,run videos ,encode and play a game leaving 15 SB sputtering like a cheap trick. I think the on chip music decoder/ encoder can hande music too.In fact it's capable of running 4 independent 7.1 music and video streams at the same time.
fch4 on chip
Terra 3 tessellation
It's a piece de resistance and it only gets better

So AMD is going to not replace their current HD6670 with a HD7670 nd instead leave a gap that nVidia will fill in and take over? Sure. I am sure AMD wants to let nVidia take all that money for free.

The consoles, from the rumors I have heard, will be getting a HD6670 equivalent, not a HD7670.

How can you know that PD will fail at Starcraft 2? There's no way they'd sell a processor like that.

His true argument is that its a Intel optimized game so it will never run good on a AMD CPU. But in most of the benchmarks I have seen, something interesting is noted. A Phenom II tends to do better than a BD CPU in it.

you'd need an igp
lano hd6550D xfired to 5000series and 6000 series

Llanos IGP was VLIW5 based. It could CFX with up to a HD6670, Turks, which also was VLIW5. That would be the only reason why Llano could CFX with two "generations", because one was not a new generation but a rebrand.

 

[ElMoIsEviL]

^
Wow.........ELMO, last I saw you were still rocking a X58 with HD5k GPUs

I upgraded a few months ago. New build doesn't feel that much different than the old build though... not worth the upgrade for the most part.

It's good to read you again.

Thank you

 

[Haserath]

I've been reading around so far no one and hardly no site at all has posted what differences there are between socket FS1 and FS1r2 knowing that people have been thinking about upgrading from Llano to Trinity for their laptops.

Mobile Trinity only has 24 Pci-e lanes to connect it to the northbridge. It didn't have hypertransport like most AMD cpus for the past few years.

That could be the reason why.

Our Society is addicted to perpetual Economic Growth. As a result we have been conditioned to accept rampant "Consumerism" as a norm. We tend to look down on other Social arrangements that do things differently... even claiming them to be "uncivilized". Oh how deluded we are.

Good to see you Elmo.

 

[fazers_on_stun]

Triny is a complete idiot. I thought I read a couple weeks ago that when trinity is announced amd stocks are going to go way up. I think amd stocks have dropped a dollar in the past week.

Hmm, I must have missed that wild-arse guess -- I mean, expert prediction 😀, of Triny's. He had a 50/50 chance of being right, at least about the direction, and apparently blew it.

Makes you wonder how true his alleged new computer purchase is..

 

[fazers_on_stun]

@fazers_on_stun: thanks for the info. so people have lost money from buying into this sort of hype before... i don't have much of business sense (or any sense whatsoever..) but i've always thought of stock-trading as risky. i meant that i don't want people to get hurt. a lot of people, impressionable newbies included, read the forum threads for information every day.
on a side note, i guess it's okay(!) if triny was just trolling.. >_>

Well to be fair, it doesn't take more than a couple minutes to spot Triny for what he is, so I doubt anybody would follow his 'investment advice', unless they were half a dozen beers short of a 6-pack 😛.

Only things in life that are guaranteed are death & taxes.

 

[mactronix]

Not that I'm a spoil sport or anything but how on earth has this and other CPU threads been allowed to run so far off topic ?
Does someone have a picture of a group of Mods in a compromising situation or some thing ?

Mactronix

 

[de5_Roy]

"AMD Trinity A10-4600M Laptop APU Review - Piledriver Arrives"
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1931/1/

 

[truegenius]

upto 2x128bit fpu

😱
0.8ghz @ 0.275v
2.7@0.8v
3.2@1.025v
😱
🙁 my thuban does not boot at 3.2@1.1v, it demands for 1.2v for almost stable

 

[mactronix]

I think we need to turn this into an AMD undervolting thread or at least let's actually talk about undervolting on AMD units since
voltage wise they run so, so much higher than Intel.

just a 'side' topic suggestion..

Good idea Mal. I second the motion.
Just need someone to carry it now.

Mactronix

 

[viridiancrystal]

upto 2x128bit fpu

😱
0.8ghz @ 0.275v
2.7@0.8v
3.2@1.025v
😱
🙁 my thuban does not boot at 3.2@1.1v, it demands for 1.2v for almost stable

My 8120 will boot and run any realistic tasks at 1.075v. Wasn't stable for more than ~120 minutes under 100% load, but I would never do that under anything except Prime95, so I left it there.

 

[fazers_on_stun]

"AMD Trinity A10-4600M Laptop APU Review - Piledriver Arrives"
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1931/1/

That idle power consumption is excellent - means either a lighter battery or longer runtime. Will be interesting to see Intel's dual-core IB power usage..

 

[viridiancrystal]

is that booting @ stock speeds as well or did you downlock it.?

Stock. For it being just an underbinned flagship, I was very impressed with a 1/6th voltage drop. I guess you are too, judging from the way that was written.

 

[viridiancrystal]

I might OC someday, but I've overly content with what it can do now. If I upgrade to PD (prolly will, my only route without getting a new MB too) I will go crazy with it.

 

[earl45]

Mal if PD is as good as people hope I will build my first AMD system, but it has to be better
at what I do over what I have.

 

[earl45]

and do you actually think it will be better than what you have now....
really.?

not even close in my opinion.

No I don't, but let's keep hope alive.

 

[dogman_1234]

AMD
Episode IV:
A New Hope.

 

[-Fran-]

Well, my hope is that they get close without that many software optimizations and be equal or better with them.

Also, like Viridian says, I think BD is a good "undervolter", so maybe PD will be even more. That's quite a good quality for power saving IMO, never something that has to be taken for granted. My PhII under load sucks a LOT of power, but I have it with CnC and CE0 (was it?) and it really shows (temps of the PSU).

Well, performance wise, let's hope for the best, hahaha. Indeed "A New Hope" 😛

Cheers!

EDIT: After the Bulldozer Menace, it gives Intel a good 2 years of not worrying (Haswell Strikes Back? lol).

 

[esrever]

I'd say the possibility of AMD beating Intel is about the same as me dying in my next plane crash. There and possible but ultimately but unlikely.

Oh gosh, I'm doomed.

😉

It might be a small chance that it would ever happen but you'd never know in a business like this. If intel suddenly hits a wall with its tick tock, it could just mean the end of intel dominance. Pushing billions into R&D to be ahead in the processing process might or might not end up like the ghz race of the P4. All it take is a little and intel might end up repeating the same thing that happened last time. Or AMD might go crazy and make a 300w 500mm^2 CPU to get the top performace even if its a pointless.

Lots of things can happen. Unlike intel, when you go a on plane, the plane is tried and true. What intel has to do is innovate and be on the knife's edge. It more on the lines of the chances of you dying if you rode the space shuttle over and over. One of the times, it might just explode for unforeseen reasons.

 

[esrever]

REALLY.?
both of you need to be committed.
heck you might be the same person..

where's 'mousemod' at to run their IP Address..?

:lol:

I'm telling you he's just talking out his a**.
him and his 'alias' esrever (or whatever his name) are the same guy or
'esrever' is a lost puppy dog and 'triny' was first to pet him and give him a bone.

I'm not even going to speak on all the false comments in the past including his own personal hardware
that he claims to have.
no validity, none..

Im not going to dignify you with my original response as it is just unbecoming of me. It was too much of an baseless attack on you and I find it rather dirty to drop down to your level but know that what I say is quite distinct from what triny says and if you were half competent, you might be able to tell. But alas you lack the unbias mind to really focus on something if it disagree with what your opinions are. You'd rather just group people into the same category and in the end, it just confuses your simple mind. Only difference between you and triny is more than enough people will tell triny that he is wrong. Someone has to tell you that you are being a hypocrite. Ill just now regard what you say with what triny says. I hardly read it since I know most of it is pointless.

 

[anxiousinfusion]

I'd like to observe a little prediction pole. If Sandybridge is a 10 and Bulldozer is a 1, where on the performance scale to you predict Piledriver may fall?

 

[triny]

Piledriver ~ Trinity A10 is looking good with 384 igp cores with 50% more accelerated opps
but Steamroller and it's 512 GCN cores sounds like a super coputer
by the time excavator shows up it's 7960D igp construction complete
the age of super computers has arrived.

 

[-Fran-]

we've moved on...
it already proven you two are 'irrelevant' in any future discussions.
feel free to indulge, the both of just one of you..
:lol:

No one is irrelevant, mal.

And you're always free to ignore a comment. Don't create a hostile environment making those kind of remarks, my friend. Not healthy.

I'd like to observe a little prediction pole. If Sandybridge is a 10 and Bulldozer is a 1, where on the performance scale to you predict Piledriver may fall?

In a pure performance, counting clock speeds and all at stock, I'd say solid 8. Putting that into current perspective, that would mean:

SB 100% and BD 0% makes PD 80% in my on-the-fly guesstimate -> current 40% difference in most benchmarks would translate into an 8% difference across the board (in favor of Sandy). Now, that 40% is inflated, since multi and single threaded are different worlds and they could be much closer there, but single will still be an issue for PD, hahaha.

Cheers!

 

[triny]

I'd like to observe a little prediction pole. If Sandybridge is a 10 and Bulldozer is a 1, where on the performance scale to you predict Piledriver may fall?

that depends which chips
mobile sandy is a 1 and piledriver is a 10

 

[anxiousinfusion]

that depends which chips
mobile sandy is a 1 and piledriver is a 10

I didn't consider that. I guess that's relative. Let's take the top of the top. i7 2600K as 10 and FX-8150 as 1.