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We have had several requests for a sticky on AMD's yet to be released Piledriver architecture ... so here it is.

I want to make a few things clear though.

Post a question relevant to the topic, or information about the topic, or it will be deleted.

Post any negative personal comments about another user ... and they will be deleted.

Post flame baiting comments about the blue, red and green team and they will be deleted.

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Awes, FX 8150 last week breaking the HWBot extreme OC record at 9ghz (2c/21t the standard). That to go with the RAM oc record being set on a llano.....oh well no enthusiast material....lets all just focus on the negitives in this thread.

I will definately give that Fusion stuff a miss....so I can get some of that HD4000 goodness, I have always wondered what Skyrim would look like Minecrafteque....presto


PS: changed pending mod/admin passing.....yay
 
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honestly who cares about the FX-8150 and it's world record overclock only on two cores..

show me an 4m/8c clocked stable around 6.0GHz and I will be impressed.
but some chip knocked down to two cores, I don't care..
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Mal, the Intel benches are also done on 2C/2T for extreme overclocking....so its not a AMD thing, its a standard.....

All cores active, you can do that yourself.... 😛
 
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Point [missed] completely.

Enthusiast clockers push for the numbers, highest overclock attainable, partularly with LN2 clocks... its the point of competitive clocking. i.e just because it doesn't suit your needs or its not in favour of your position doesn't mean its irrelevent...in fact to overclockers it is very relevant.

PS: HD Radeon 7970 pushing 1800+ on the core for the highest GPU overclock.
 
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Are the desktop Trinity processors and boards still expected for August or has there been an update on their expected release?

I've got an HTPC collecting dust waiting for the stupid things to come out. I'm getting all antsy.
 
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Point [missed] completely.

Enthusiast clockers push for the numbers, highest overclock attainable, partularly with LN2 clocks... its the point of competitive clocking. i.e just because it doesn't suit your needs or its not in favour of your position doesn't mean its irrelevent...in fact to overclockers it is very relevant.
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Point [missed] completely????

Since when did 0.00000001% of the market ever matter a damn? :ange:
 
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Guys, slow down. You're getting too heated up and not making any positive remarks in your posts 😛

The AMD thing right now is not "teh bestest evar" and we all know it. Pilediver won't be a magical trick enhancer to the BD uarch, so don't treat it as such. It will be an incremental update to Zambezi and that's it. It will clock better, have better IPC, but let's not put it in an altar already. Even more, when DT Trinity is not even here yet. And Intel CPUs are good, but having read some of what Intel plans to do with Haswell... Darn, they're gambling a lot and aiming to the HPC market with all their might. Maybe my call on it not being a huge upgrade over SB in the CPU department is not that far off the mark.

Regarding the MoBo colors... I liked the DFI Lanparty colors back then... That black and yellow combo was quite amazing. Too bad they got out of the MoBo business 8(

And OMG, PC-Chips MoBos and their pink-ish coloring, rofl. I've battled with those things for the longest time ever. The last MoBo I replaced was my mother's PC that had one for s756 with a SiS chipset, rofl. Quite the gamble-board of all times. It was like 50/50 chance it would stop working half way the Windows install, hahaha.

Cheers!
 
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Usually, if it's a good server chip, it's good for enthusiast.... :/
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Well AMD make good server grade processors, but because it maybe not be the best it is swept aside as irrelevant. I think it has become trite that Zambezi was not what many were expecting, and is in some regards disappointing and no AMD fan here or anywhere is denying that.

Someone posted about AMD's multi GPU support being lack lustre...well most of that is driver based but when you fix that issue AMD cards are fantastic in multi card support. Heck in BF3 3 x 7970's knocked 4 GTX 680's by something like 40FPS....and that was a TH very own bench.
 
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not sure if it's just me but the old systems seems to be a lot more sensitive to changes than newer systems now.
I remember having a system going into a continuous black screen with buzzer screams just because I took out a stick of ram or change the CPU
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Systems from around 2001 through to 2006 are very bad about that, any thing older you could leave it out in the rain and heat outside for months yet start up without hardly a issue. Once cleared out a clearing next to a house where about 20 comps were dumped and left out to rot. For all the pine needle, critter droppings, and rust more than half posted on the first try after the boards were pulled from the rotting cases. Funny thing is that each of those working boards turned out to be worth $85 :lol:
 
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FX 8350 was punted at around $300 so you can work from there.
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For $300 one can buy a much better cpu than could ever make. If the people at think they got something that is going to blow everyone's skirts up then they must be living in some strange dream from their "glory days" to be pricing something like that for $300 that will most likely leave the community even more disappointed than before. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE0jI5unDOE
 
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by hybrid tri-fire i mean with trinity igpu and 2x 6570/6670 or 2x 6750. those shouldn't require cpu power like 2x 6870s would.
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Probably not viable due to the memory organization. The discrete cards have full access to GDDR5 memory while the APU is stuck sharing DDR3 with the CPU. With 2 discrete there's no benefit limiting yourself to the slow speed APU memory interface.
 
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For $300 one can buy a much better cpu than could ever make. If the people at think they got something that is going to blow everyone's skirts up then they must be living in some strange dream from their "glory days" to be pricing something like that for $300 that will most likely leave the community even more disappointed than before. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE0jI5unDOE
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:pfff: Well you can always let me know what your Intel does, that mine can't!

Ditto. I'm much more impressed by high end cooling systems that are capable of keeping a system overclocked and stable for months on end. Doing something productive like F@H.
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Different strokes for different folks...the point being that even at the enthusiast level, the AMD's are capable of greater overclocking feats...but yeah the enthusiast market can be damned to fish sticks.
 
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seriously dude.
overclocking feats should be more than the highest number as in clock speed.
overclocking AMD just makes it on par with stock Intel units in terms of IPC / data crunching.
same as HD Radeon

to bad in reality it's not all about clock speed....
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I'm sorry Mal, but i'm siding with sarinaide this time, I will have to say that i'm completely confused why everyone thinks the 600 series from nvidia is so great when they can't even get them out the door. This is the reason why Amd is taking market share away from Nvidia on the discrete video card market. To all those Nvidia fans i must say the future does not look that bright for them when Amd APU's are starting to get rid of 100$ video cards and below. Not just Amd either even the Intel 4000HD graphics is making it harder for Amd/Nvidia to compete in the lower-end spectrum, i'd say if you have a Intel ivy their is no reason to buy a 6450/5450 anymore since the onboard graphics are just as good if not better.

Amd has a x86 lease Nvidia does not and they only work with Arm(where is project Denver anyways?)

I agree with sarinaide on the fact that even amd was expecting more from their design. L1/L2 cache on top of the branch prediction and also the low clock speeds(AKA Global foundries) explains why Bulldozer was a bad performer.

I also agree with sarinaide, yes a Amd rig is still capable of doing anything a Intel rig can do...sure it might take a little longer some times but you will NEVER notice it 80% of the time when your on toms complaining about Amd being in second place :kaola: or watching some 1080P videos or hell even gaming. But i also want Amd to keep it this way not keep falling more and more behind to the point that i notice it during my daily activities.

oh man, piledriver? i gave up on amd.... sorry
oh yeah ummm... expert conjectuer.... uhh.... im at a loss for words in that dept. im just tired of waiting
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Then stop waiting Intel has what you want, Piledriver is not going to even make a HUGE difference its just going to be a nice jump in the right direction.

whats going to be the estimated price on piledriver?
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As always it should be priced based on its performance and only Amd and some close party's know what that is i'm guessing 270$ and below. If they were smart they would give me a 8 core Piledriver clocked at 4.2Ghz with a nice turbo for 249.99$ or less.

Point [missed] completely????

Since when did 0.00000001% of the market ever matter a damn? :ange:
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Saying this you must also say that Amd's APU's are great for 80% of the people who do give a damn.

AMD struggles with multi-GPU as it is...............
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Again 90% of the time you will never notice this when both rigs are giving you 60+FPS.

For $300 one can buy a much better cpu than could ever make. If the people at think they got something that is going to blow everyone's skirts up then they must be living in some strange dream from their "glory days" to be pricing something like that for $300 that will most likely leave the community even more disappointed than before. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE0jI5unDOE
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I doubt it will cost this much but then again Bulldozer was overpriced by around 20% so who knows.
 
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:pfff: Well you can always let me know what your Intel does, that mine can't!



Different strokes for different folks...the point being that even at the enthusiast level, the AMD's are capable of greater overclocking feats...but yeah the enthusiast market can be damned to fish sticks.
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Same level of performance but at much lower clocks and power consumption. I am no fanboy at all but I am very unhappy about some things with both amd and intel. I got two amd apu systems, one 1156 i5 build, a 990fx build with a phenom 2 x4, two socket a builds, a few socket 7 builds, even a working 486 dx2 for old dos era games with turbo 😗

There is some misc stuff as well but don't need to list everything. 😴
 
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