AMD Piledriver rumours ... and expert conjecture

[Reynod]

We have had several requests for a sticky on AMD's yet to be released Piledriver architecture ... so here it is.

I want to make a few things clear though.

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Enjoy ...

 

[fazers_on_stun]

I wonder if Apple would be better off with buying GloFo. They already are designing their own Ax CPU's. Then they can even fabricate them internally. Maybe add 'feature' that would prevent software iOS jailbraking and integrated user tracking + reality distortion field generator.
Apple has shitloads of money. They can pump a few billion dollars into GloFO and easily make it competitive with TSMC, if not Intel.

Apple already hates Samsung. Intel are not willing to go into general fabrication business. TSMC have conflicting reports on whether it wants Apple's business or not. Apples way to deal with these kinds of supply chain issues is to buy the company.

If Intel is smart, they wont ever fabricate mobile chips for Apple. TSMC/Samsung has the similar nodes for Apple/Tegra/Krait/Exynos SoC lines. This means similar performance/power figures for all SoC.
If Intel fabricates for Apple, Intels node advantage over TSMC/Samsung will mean Apple Ax SoC's will have inherent advantage over the competition. That would probably mean Android will get killed quickly. And if Android gets killed, what will Intel Atom/Medfield++ run on ? Surely not iOS.

But GloFlo is owned by the oil-backed emirates company, ATIC, which might be able to buy out Apple instead 😀..

Wonder how much it would cost Apple to do a hostile takeover of Intel, assuming Intel has enough common stock out there to make 51% ownership of the company possible?? Would be hugely expensive but then Apple would absolutely dominate the entire computing universe 😛..

And we would ALL be bitchin' about it! 😀

 

[mayankleoboy1]

^ and still buying Apple, because it will be the only tech company then.

 

[anxiousinfusion]

seems to me pretty much this entire article is all about reducing power. Why is Intel going after power use so hard now? Im sure someone will show up soon and let you konw.

As transistor size approaches >14 nm reducing power consumption may be the easier improvement that can be made.

 

[noob2222]

As transistor size approaches >14 nm reducing power consumption may be the easier improvement that can be made.

pretty much its a requirement.

As die shrinks, heat density increases. In order to keep the chip from continually increasing heat, you have to reduce power by an equal amount to the size.

Ivy bridge reduced size by ~40% and reduced power by ~15%, thats not good for continual shrinking as your just slightly less heat into a much smaller area.

IB doesn't run hot because of the TIM, its a basic law of physics.

Compared to previous die shrinks, 45nm to 32nm for example (lynnfield to clarkdale) reduced size by ~40% and power by ~35%. thats close enough not to be a major issue.

Even AMD is working on Performance Per Watt.

Never heard any allegations before, that Intel was trying to influence programmers (or software devs) into "believing that its impossible to code for multiple cores", seeing as how Intel sells 10-core/20-thread server Xeons as well as 6-core/12-thread desktop Sandy's . It would be rather silly of Intel to discourage coding for multiple cores, seeing the huge profits they make off those Xeons and E-class desktop CPUs..

kinda missed the point. I was talking about dual-core programs, AKA games (that can't be made for multi core according to gamerk), not server applications specifically designed for multi-core use.

 

[jdwii]

AMD is working to break Intel's straglehold on the market. How many dual core I3s would sell if more programs were designed for quad core and above? Its in Intel's best interest to keep programmers believing that its impossible to code for multiple cores. They are the only ones still trying to sell dual core cpus for over $100.

IMO HSA is a make or break deal with AMD. If they can break the Intel strangle on the market, they will make it, if not they will be broke. Intel doesn't want HSA, they have too much market share to lose. Thats why all you hear is IPC IPC IPC IPC. Their gpu sucks, their method for HT only works sometimes and haswell has even more of that. A single core can only go so fast and do so much, and thats what Intel is banking on, pushing that one core to the absolute max. IPC IPC IPC.

Once AMD gets back on track with SR, they will start to push that one core harder, right now its just jogging along, tripping a lot, but mostly just waiting. As long as AMD starts to feed that core that wants more work and has plenty of room to get more work done, they will catch up much faster considering Intel's IPC is capping.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6355/intels-haswell-architecture

seems to me pretty much this entire article is all about reducing power. Why is Intel going after power use so hard now? Im sure someone will show up soon and let you konw.

But again What "If" Intel's cores are twice as powerful then you would have to have software that scales 100% across cores. Lucky Amd is not that far behind.

 

[Chad Boga]

But again What "If" Intel's cores are twice as powerful then you would have to have software that scales 100% across cores. Lucky Amd is not that far behind.

Yet

 

[Reynod]

Chad please watch this and imagine all of the girls work for AMD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bZkp7q19f0

 

[jdwii]

Chad please watch this and imagine all of the girls work for AMD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bZkp7q19f0

The chicks didn't come until 1:20 in besides that WTF?

 

[noob2222]

Chad please watch this and imagine all of the girls work for AMD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bZkp7q19f0

rofl.

 

[Reynod]

Did anyone notice John Fruehe jumped out of AMD Servers (Director of Product Marketing Servers) and into NextIO (VP Marketing) in August?

Congrats John ... if your still around.

 

[Chad Boga]

Chad please watch this and imagine all of the girls work for AMD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bZkp7q19f0

I prefer to cut to the chase http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpZhZAr1cQU&hd=1

 

[sarinaide]

Ah good another aimless music video of hot chicks and goofy music......these are the stuffs dreams are stuffed full of.

I think the point is that I may have settled for second best 😛

 

[sarinaide]

Back on AMD, going to be looking at a Athlon 760K with a new Un-released FM2 board. From what I have picked up on, the 760K is a pure quad 65w, 4MB L2 cache, delivers better single threaded performance than the 5800K at lower clocks, also better multi threaded performance, it doesn't have a iGP part but the premise is to give a mainstream level system on the FM platform which is really more exciting than AM3+ at this time.

I have 7770's along with 7870's to test with it, interested to see just how far these can push, if it adds mainstream level at FM2 platform, you can expect mainstream gaming on max textures at a 30-40% reduction in price, it will also be a massive step for AMD's HSA ambitions as lower cost setups deliver unrivaled gaming experience at the price point. The 760K is expected to retail around $90.

 

[truegenius]

a10-5800k scored more than i5-3570k :lol: in passmark 😛
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+A10-5800K+APU

 

[$hawn]

From what I have picked up on, the 760K is a pure quad 65w, 4MB L2 cache, delivers better single threaded performance than the 5800K at lower clocks, also better multi threaded performance, it doesn't have a iGP part

What are you smoking dude ? 😀

It's not a native quad core chip without an iGPU. The iGPU is just disabled; other than that, its exactly the same die as what is used to make the 5800K's. How the hell can you except better single/multi threaded performance from that?!!

 

[de5_Roy]

a10-5800k scored more than i5-3570k :lol: in passmark 😛
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+A10-5800K+APU

combine that with
AMD Trinity A10-5800K APU overclocked to 7.3GHz
and
Kitguru says: The A10 5800K is a fantastic budget gaming processor and it might be all that some people will ever need.
you get like a totally core i5 killer!

AMD to lay off more people and target new customers?
hexus.net tests trinity's ram scaling

 

[fazers_on_stun]

:lol:

Ivy Bridge-EP/EN Processors with 12 Cores

Up to now, most sources stated the upcoming 22 nm replacement for Xeon E5 and Core i7 39XX to have 10 cores per die. Post IDF, a very credible source says it was 12 all the while, just the yields weren't sure of.

This confirms the other rumors that Intel's 22nm has yields ramping well above Intel's initial expectations.

My guess is that they hit a bump or two early in the process (maybe this time a year ago), but solved it and then some 😀..

 

[fazers_on_stun]

^ and still buying Apple, because it will be the only tech company then.

Geez, I hope not! Almost bricked my wife's 4s iPhone, again!, due to Apple wanting to update iTunes at the same time as the phone's ios6. Learned that I really have to watch what iTunes is doing as it is far from failsafe. It also bricks the USB drivers during the update, at least on my Asus laptop, so that I had to install iTunes on my desktop to finish the process.

Of course I was 'holding the USB connector wrong', or some such.. 😗

 

[fazers_on_stun]

I prefer to cut to the chase http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpZhZAr1cQU&hd=1

Maybe they'll be AMD booth babes next year 😀..

 

[jerry6]

We have had several requests for a sticky on AMD's yet to be released Piledriver architecture ... so here it is.

I want to make a few things clear though.

Post a question relevant to the topic, or information about the topic, or it will be deleted.

Post any negative personal comments about another user ... and they will be deleted.

Post flame baiting comments about the blue, red and green team and they will be deleted.

Enjoy ...

All i know is I'm getting piles sitting around waiting for piledriver !~!! Have to make due with the P II 1100T till then

 

[noob2222]

This confirms the other rumors that Intel's 22nm has yields ramping well above Intel's initial expectations.

My guess is that they hit a bump or two early in the process (maybe this time a year ago), but solved it and then some 😀..

then again, maybe its taking them 2 years to fix the 22nm problem. Rght now its a vaoporware cpu slated for q3 2013, about the time they plan on releasing 14nm Atom cpus.

Haswell will be released to market before they start to ship their 22nm server cpus based on Ivy bridge? doesn't sound too exciting.

If 22nm was above expectations, they would show up this year.

 

[Reynod]

All i know is I'm getting piles sitting around waiting for piledriver !~!! Have to make due with the P II 1100T till then

Trinity uses the piledriver core

Zambezi uses the bulldozer core.

Reynod uses the 48 year old organic core.

 

[noob2222]

48 yo organic? hmm ... mushrooms for entertainment?

 

[r0ck3tm@n]

+1 on the hot Chinese chicks dancing in high heels, the rest of you are boring me.
Edit: Korean chicks.

 

[mayankleoboy1]

^ Korean, not chinese.