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We have had several requests for a sticky on AMD's yet to be released Piledriver architecture ... so here it is.

I want to make a few things clear though.

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It is interesting to me how AMD is into this modular chip design concept
and could do well for them down the road
the world is shifting to more of a mobile market
most of what people do on a computer can be done on a really good smartphone or tablet
Look how the Ipad took off
along with Windows 8 having a design shift to a touchscreen interface and support for ARM
doing computer repairs in a lower income area I see mostly Pentium 4,Pentium D,Athlon64x2 machines
and when they are cleaned up of viruses and junk files
my customers all say how "fast" they are
most of the users I meet facebook,email,browse/shop and play games like Soduku or Bejeweled
really most of them would be okay with a tablet for what they do
There will always be a need for a desktop especially in the business/scientific markets
but for home consumers a good laptop is more than enough
It is a good thing that is there is an enthusiast gaming market to help increasing the level of tech of the desktop
 
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I so called it. AMD is having 32nm yield issues across the board, not just Llano. Llano has a bit more mainly due to the GPU, probably not the CPU.

Looks like low supply for BD until GF gets 32nm mature.



As I said before, I would assume 10% increase if Trinity doesn't follow BDs suit. The 30% GPU I would imagine would be due to higher clocks.

Wish AMD would put more info out there. Kinda annoying to announce something with very little info on it.
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A8 compared to A8 at least 10 to 15 cpu
but A10 Trinty 20 to 30% CPU compared to A8 lano and as much as 50% igp
with dual graphics 60 to 80% + compared to dual graphcs on Lano
+ 2133 mhz ram over 1800 mhz max. Plus hsa compute + bump of IGP.+ bump in discrete

I can't see trinity not out selling lano and BD combined as well as grabbing 30% of mobile market.
It's that good ,an A10 25 watt chip will bring unheard of video to ulv mobile formats
That's where Intel is weakest.
will it be the best of the best ,most fastest, no ,but it will be what lots of people will want during this recession.
 
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Not sure if its a wise move to try and enter a market thats already flooded with a lot of other already well hunkered down companies. Companies the size of or even larger than Intel. And considering how poorly AMD has been doing in X86 recently, why would they magically do better in ARM?
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I noticed piledriver cores are hybrid that is to say a third party hardware can dock to the chip for special applications as was already mentioned by r0ck3tm, which is to say they are not x86 bound . making Piiledriver versatile .very useful have big friends in little markets. Instead of shafting the competition it's better to coop your resources to take down a dragon.
nvidia was probably about to take market share from arm .AMD will be making ultra low watt piledriver cores sub 4 watt.
for Arm .
 
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Do you have evidence of the APU performance? 😴
or do you even have a method of theoretically calculating said performance figures? :hello:
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I am going by what Ive seen ces video lano game performance ,what I have read what AMD released the Tukiskish leak video and common sense .
my numbers may not be Brass balls accurate but neither are they that far off and may in fact be conservative.
Which is to say I don't know anymore than anyone else.
would you care to guess the numbers maybe you have more insight I'm an Intel guy so I am not up to snuff on AMD
 
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It is interesting to me how AMD is into this modular chip design concept
and could do well for them down the road
the world is shifting to more of a mobile market
most of what people do on a computer can be done on a really good smartphone or tablet
Look how the Ipad took off
along with Windows 8 having a design shift to a touchscreen interface and support for ARM
doing computer repairs in a lower income area I see mostly Pentium 4,Pentium D,Athlon64x2 machines
and when they are cleaned up of viruses and junk files
my customers all say how "fast" they are
most of the users I meet facebook,email,browse/shop and play games like Soduku or Bejeweled
really most of them would be okay with a tablet for what they do
There will always be a need for a desktop especially in the business/scientific markets
but for home consumers a good laptop is more than enough
It is a good thing that is there is an enthusiast gaming market to help increasing the level of tech of the desktop
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you have a unique perspective on reality which is uncommon these days.
My old P4 3.4 giggle hrz would bog down a lot they said it had hyperthreading lol
I should of bought the Athlon 2 core at the time.
Though there will always be PC desktops like there are 4track cassettes
alas we are entering the modular era
A modern laptop will run home entertainment ,from games to movies and anything else
all at hd quality on a big screen

 
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Well I stated my perspective on the matter
20-30 CPU+ between A10 and Lano A8
60-80% +between them in dual graphics mode
my reasoning is

fatter ram bandwidth
HSA
faster clock
more efficient
bump on igp
bump on discrete
BD comparison I suspect 10-15% improvement per core
compared to Lano 25-30% cpu only
there isn't enough info out so take with a grain of salt

What is your prediction ?

 
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theoritically (in my calculation and thus can be wrong)
per unit of vliw4 (used in trinity, derived from 6900) have 30-50 percent more calculating power per mhz in comparision to vliw5 (used in llano, derived from non 6900 gpus of 6 series)

also i think that non 7900 gpus of 7 are derived from 6900 and thus amd is including igpu of trinity in 7 series.
 
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if a10 is 25percent better than a8 then
i think trinity is going to be a amd (another majour disappointment)
as a10 sounds like a 5 core cpu (i dunno, if it is a 5 core apu , are they using 5th core without sharing fpu to other) and thus we easily can expect 25percent more performance from cpu in threaded tasks (as athlon2 and bd are around same in performance).
(these asumptions are based on this line 'a10 is 25percent better than a8 cpuwise')
 
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if a10 is 25percent better than a8 then
i think trinity is going to be a amd (another majour disappointment)
as a10 sounds like a 5 core cpu (i dunno, if it is a 5 core apu , are they using 5th core without sharing fpu to other) and thus we easily can expect 25percent more performance from cpu in threaded tasks (as athlon2 and bd are around same in performance).
(these asumptions are based on this line 'a10 is 25percent better than a8 cpuwise')
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I believe AMD literature states 2 to 4 core A10 probably just has a higher clock or could mean just better graphics
it's hard to tell at this point .

neither athlon or BD will be in Trinity thus your calculation is not taking into account as much as another 10-15% per module
that would make your prediction a lofty 50%+ over Lano
 
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theoritically (in my calculation and thus can be wrong)
vliw4 (used in trinity, derived from 6900) have 30-50 percent more calculating power per mhz in comparision to vliw5 (used in llano, derived from non 6900 gpus of 6 series)

also i think that non 7900 gpus of 7 are derived from 6900 and thus amd is including igpu of trinity in 7 series.
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They said GCN would be in 2013 so it may make sense to use both Arch now as a stepping stone towards reaching that goal.
 
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I believe AMD literature states 2 to 4 core A10 probably just has a higher clock or could mean just better graphics
it's hard to tell at this point .

neither athlon or BD will be in Trinity thus your calculation is not taking into account as much as another 10-15% per module
that would make your prediction a lofty 50%+ over Lano
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A A8 3850 at 2.9Ghz is almost equal to most CPU intensive benchmarks when compared to a 4110 fx at 3.6Ghz. Please tell me how the Cpu portion in Trinity can beat the Llano Core. I'm pretty Sure Trinity will be about equal or only 10% faster then the husky cores inside Llano, Don't get fulled by Amd's marketing it's been said they only raised their performance Projections So they don't get much rep about being late again bringing Trinity out to the market. I do how ever think the Grpahics performance will be at least 30% better but the Cpu performance on average will probably be about the same give or minus 10%.
 
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It is tempting to trust those slides... Argh... Salt, where did I put the salt?!

Anyway, the why-stick-to-older-sockets article was very interesting and very depressing at the same time. I know about "don't waste money you don't have", but they can always just change the socket (if they have a winner, lol) and just put up with the new platform making some tweaks here and there for memory bandwidth. I mean, come on AMD, HT3.0 is so 2008!

Cheers! xD!
 
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A A8 3850 at 2.9Ghz is almost equal to most CPU intensive benchmarks when compared to a 4110 fx at 3.6Ghz. Please tell me how the Cpu portion in Trinity can beat the Llano Core. I'm pretty Sure Trinity will be about equal or only 10% faster then the husky cores inside Llano, Don't get fulled by Amd's marketing it's been said they only raised their performance Projections So they don't get much rep about being late again bringing Trinity out to the market. I do how ever think the Grpahics performance will be at least 30% better but the Cpu performance on average will probably be about the same give or minus 10%.
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basically
20-30% cpu+

bus band width higher
efficiency !0% -15% better
clocked higher
HSA

I suspect in dual mode at least 60-80 % better graphics ,igp bump discrete bump HSA,2133 bus bandwidth

 
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A A8 3850 at 2.9Ghz is almost equal to most CPU intensive benchmarks when compared to a 4110 fx at 3.6Ghz. Please tell me how the Cpu portion in Trinity can beat the Llano Core. I'm pretty Sure Trinity will be about equal or only 10% faster then the husky cores inside Llano, Don't get fulled by Amd's marketing it's been said they only raised their performance Projections So they don't get much rep about being late again bringing Trinity out to the market. I do how ever think the Grpahics performance will be at least 30% better but the Cpu performance on average will probably be about the same give or minus 10%.
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so your prediction 30% graphics and 10% cpu

what does 4110BD have to with PiledriverTrinity
 
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It is tempting to trust those slides... Argh... Salt, where did I put the salt?!
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Dont trust them!

*here's your salt*

salt_pile.jpg
 
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It is tempting to trust those slides... Argh... Salt, where did I put the salt?!

Anyway, the why-stick-to-older-sockets article was very interesting and very depressing at the same time. I know about "don't waste money you don't have", but they can always just change the socket (if they have a winner, lol) and just put up with the new platform making some tweaks here and there for memory bandwidth. I mean, come on AMD, HT3.0 is so 2008!

Cheers! xD!
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nobody knows much who's to say what socket they use AMD has changed horses in midstream this year many times
 
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http://www.techpowerup.com/155483/AMD-Trinity-Internal-Benchmarks-Surface.html
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those benchmarks compare A8 to A8
A10 should add a couple hundred MHz as much as 300 or more :sol:
I also believe those are not benchmarks but an extrapolation of information ie: amd's initial release 20%cpu 50%gpu
Since then AMD has said that it would be more powerful than expected
In any case either 25to30% cpu 60-80%Gpu or AMD is full of poop which is entirely possible
 
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