AMD Pushes R600 Back To May

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

Thats a good way to look at it because by the time the R600 comes out you could have already been gaming away for months at high resolutions and high levels of AA and AF all while getting great Frame Rates with the most demanding games.

Exactly.
I've always been a promoter of the GF8800GTS, and then if your sure of yourself or don't mind rolling your hardware (as I know you don't) then get the best you can afford (GF8800GTX). Seriously peoplle need to stop worrying about their regrets. If the R600 were to come out today it doesn't diminish all the fun you've had with your GF8800GTX up 'till now, and if you had to sell the GTX and buy an XTX or whatever, the minor diff in price saving over that time more than makes up for itself in the game play IMO.

Personally I think even the fence sitters should be considering the GTS-320, at that price there's not going to be a better time to get your feet wet without comittment. And heck if they were truely high-end gamers, wouldn't they already be enjoying their GTX like you?

Just the way I see it.

 

[sirheck]

Personally I think even the fence sitters should be considering the GTS-320, at that price there's not going to be a better time to get your feet wet without comittment. And heck if they were truely high-end gamers, wouldn't they already be enjoying their GTX like you?

the 320mb gts is starting to look even better for me.
i have been waiting for r600 and the mid-range 86 series.
before i upgraded my 68gt.

i am ready to buy a new card in about a month or less.
and i am now gaming at 16x10 so the 68gt is lagging.

before at 10x7 i had no reason for an upgrade as
my current card played everything with very high settings
just fine.

so now i just dont know what to do :lol:

 

[RandMcnally]

why wait?

Ati will launch it's low end card at the same time, and then I can get a 100-150 dollar card with 64 pixel shaders, 65nm, d3d 10 compliant. That's why I wait.

 

[sirheck]

im kinda thinking the 640 mb gts as it is only 100$ more.

i am really wanting to see how the mid-range (86 series) perform.
especially in dx9.0 as i dont plan to go vista until the end of this year.


and from what everyone is saying vista is buggy, but i expected that.

 

[darkstar782]

Having gotten my 8800GTX in november, I am now of the feeling that even if R600 is 20% faster when it comes out in May, (or, who knows, June or July...) then I will have had my card 7 months and had 7 months of enjoyment out of it.

That means to me that I was right to buy the 8800GTX when I did, even if the performance delta is 20% (and I personally expect it to be ~5-10%)

 

[r0x0r]

I have seen first hand how bad FEAR puts the smack down on a 9800pro much less a 9700pro and the settings were not even really turned up plus it was running at a relatively low resolution 1024X768.

It seems that some of the newer games especially the shader heavy games such as FEAR are a little too much for the old 9700 and 9800pro's to handle.

I got FEAR running on my junkheap PC at 1024x768... Mind you, the XP I was using was heavily optimized for games and my framerate usually dipped into the teens. Note how I said I had FEAR running instead of playable. :lol:

 

[gooeykat]

I'm not so much a nVidia fanboy as I am an ATI hater.

That is one of the dumbest things I've read today. Go Matrox and S3, right??

As I mentioned in my post, I'm new to the computer gaming world so your clever reference has no meaning to me.

Regarding what you think of my comment, my comtempt for ATI is only in the lack of product offerings and their inability to get their products to market on time. I came within a mouse click of by buying x1900xt 256mb when I decided to wait a couple of more weeks and just get the g80. I researched both the g80 and r600 heavily and might of gone with r600 had it been available, it wasn't.
Fair enough. However the first part of my reply stays. Your comment was so blatantly fanboi that I felt compelled to call it.

In regards to your current statement, I believe you made the right decision as I would have waited too if I had to decide between an X1900XT 256MB or a 8800GTS/X that was only a few weeks away.

I'm a fan of performance and if ATI had a better card at the time I would of gone with that one instead.

 

[sirheck]

I have seen first hand how bad FEAR puts the smack down on a 9800pro much less a 9700pro and the settings were not even really turned up plus it was running at a relatively low resolution 1024X768.

It seems that some of the newer games especially the shader heavy games such as FEAR are a little too much for the old 9700 and 9800pro's to handle.

I got FEAR running on my junkheap PC at 1024x768... Mind you, the XP I was using was heavily optimized for games and my framerate usually dipped into the teens. Note how I said I had FEAR running instead of playable. :lol:

LOL yeah i got fear the day it came out and it kicked the $hit out of my
68gt. so i didnt play it for 5 or 6 months then i tried it agian and
patched it to the newest version at the time.

and man what a huge difference 8O.
it played awsome but it was at 10x7=150 fps
and now at 16x10=65 fps.

 

[ryokinshin]

remember that ppl arent swarming over dx10 yet, even with the 8800gts 320

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

im kinda thinking the 640 mb gts as it is only 100$ more.

Well, my opinion is save the $100, only because the performance hit on the 320MB isn't huge at 16x10, even with lotsa AA. This may change with future titles, but I think the $100 would be better spent elsewhere, but that's just my view of it. I also don't think it's worth waiting for the GF8600 series if you're already gaming at 16x10, seriously if you wanted that kinda of gaming for $200 you'd already have the X1900XT by now.

I differ with Rob on the 640v320, but I'd say that if you want to stay in the 16x10 range for a while, the 8800 is your target, not the 8600, and waiting for the GTS' ATi counterpart isn't worth it IMO, unless you were confident that it was early Q2 and not mid to late Q2 that the R600 will ship. Personally I'd say get the GTS-320 and roll it if you feel the need after the R600s appear. Sure it's a pain, but low grade pain.

 

[r0x0r]

As far as I can see AMD has either:

-something big planned or
-ran into delays, but timed them well.

Yes, AMD has no DX10 card but so what; there's no DX10 games (yet). AMD knows that the majority of enthusiasts aren't going to buy something that supports a technology that isn't available yet, so in AMD's eyes there's not much point releasing a DX10 card yet. I can see their point.

It's not only that. AMD knows that the majority of graphics card purchases are made in the middle to low end, which just happen to be the cards of choice for companies like Dell, HP, etc, and AMD's mid to low range cards happen to be quite good. Dell and co. also happen to sell millions of PC's each year as well. The last time I checked there were a lot of pre-fab PC's and laptops wit ATi/AMD cards in them.

My belief is that a lot of the people in these forums aren't thinking rationally. Yes, Nvidia has the fastest GPU currently available but when a X1950XTX still plays everything at very respectable framerates then why release an unfinished product and risk tarnishing your reputation just because the other guy released something faster?

AMD knows they have a good reputation and that ATi is a widely respected company, and if there's one thing worse than losing a sale it's losing a good reputation.

As much as I would love an 8800GTS/X sitting in my PC, I'm inclined to wait to see what AMD is up to. It's only May, which will be here before you know it.

 

[ryokinshin]

personally, i say wait for the r600 to anyone who isnt gona piss themselves, powerful? yea, but there arent any dx10 games till later this year so it woudl kill u to wait

i thought they are going with x2900 off the bat, so they are skipping revising the card once and jus kicking off with something bigger

 

[sirheck]

im kinda thinking the 640 mb gts as it is only 100$ more.

Well, my opinion is save the $100, only because the performance hit on the 320MB isn't huge at 16x10, even with lotsa AA. This may change with future titles, but I think the $100 would be better spent elsewhere, but that's just my view of it. I also don't think it's worth waiting for the GF8600 series if you're already gaming at 16x10, seriously if you wanted that kinda of gaming for $200 you'd already have the X1900XT by now.

I differe with rob on the 640v320, but I'd say that if you want to stay in the 16x10 range for a while, the 8800 is your target, not the 8600, and waiting for the GTS' ATi counterpart isn't worth it IMO, unless you were confident that it was early Q2 and not mid to late Q2 that the R600 will ship. Personally I'd say get the GTS-320 and role it if you feel the need after the R600s appear. Sure it's a pain, but low grade pain.

now im totally confused :lol:

i was even thinking getting a 7900gt or x1900gt as they give the same or better performance than my 68gt,s in sli.

that is if they drop on price at all when either the mid nv cards
or ati releases thier new cards?

but i want to spend for a new card in less than a month.
or i could turn down the settings in oblivion and fsx.
i like the settings as high as possible :lol:

i am suppose to go to a lan-party next month(never been to one)
but with this new monitor(it is scalable but i dont want to)
is too much for the single 69gt.

but i may have to so i can get more kills on g.w. :twisted:

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

I'm a fan of performance and if ATI had a better card at the time I would of gone with that one instead.

Nah Anoobis was right, the first part was downright dumb!

You're an admitted 'ATi HATER' simply because nV ame out with another solution? Were you an 'nV HATER' the day before the G80 launched?

I can understand people hating A or B because they had a bad card, didn't get their rebate check, had bad customer service, or B killed their dog, but basically you're saying you hate the company that you didn't go with. Pretty strong sentiments for such a lame excuse (BTW, who do you think has more SKUs between the two, so your other excuse is even lamer).

Maybe FANboi isn't the right term for you, maybe it's HATEboi, but the same result of lack of objectivity.

And to quote you back toyourself with a slight tweak; Ahh, the old "I can't beat you in a debate so I'm going to 'play' stupid" argument.

Seriously, I'd like to see the info you thought was available in Nov., since by your posts here it doesn't sound like you'd know what to look for anyways. :roll:

 

[gooeykat]

no, im saying you lack intelligence since you can't look beyond your own nose nor can you use rational thought.

oh and what info was there in november that could honestly affect a buying decision. i mean, there aren't any benchmakrks out for the R600 and without them specs don't mean much. not when you are trying to compare cards.

again, you do not seem to possess rational thought.

The fact that you are bringing up a supposed lack of intelligence on my part and are offering very little in coherent points tells me that it is you who lack intelligence and are obviously insecure about it.

This such an idiotic conversation, you want me to some how prove that in November of 2006 when I was considering one of the two options:

1. Buy a X1950XT now or buy the 8800GTX which was more expensive but had better price/performance or

2. Wait until January 2007 to buy the R600 (which at the time was launch date before it got pushed to March and then to April and now finally to May).

That there was not enough data available on the R600 for me to consider waiting to buy it instead and that I am lying to everyone on this forum. Is that the synopsis of your pointless argument? I just want to be sure.

I'm sorry buddy but you are a complete fool.

The R600 was due in January, historically ATI does have better high end cards than nVidia (but usually not by much) and in my experience they also have problems with making release dates. So I was apprehensive about waiting for it and gee, turns out I was right, ehh? Not bad for someone with low intel, ehh? How long will you be waiting for the r600? How long are you going have ATI **** all over you before tell 'em to piss off? Again, this goes back to orginal post in this thread about the utter adoration that some people have for ATI. I don't get it and I don't get you.

 

[gooeykat]

I'm a fan of performance and if ATI had a better card at the time I would of gone with that one instead.

Nah Anoobis was right, the first part was downright dumb!

You're an admitted 'ATi HATER' simply because nV ame out with another solution? Were you an 'nV HATER' the day before the G80 launched?

I can understand people hating A or B because they had a bad card, didn't get their rebate check, had bad customer service, or B killed their dog, but basically you're saying you hate the company that you didn't go with. Pretty strong sentiments for such a lame excuse (BTW, who do you think has more SKUs between the two, so your other excuse is even lamer).

Maybe FANboi isn't the right term for you, maybe it's HATEboi, but the same result of lack of objectivity.

And to quote you back toyourself with a slight tweak; Ahh, the old "I can't beat you in a debate so I'm going to 'play' stupid" argument.

Seriously, I'd like to see the info you thought was available in Nov., since by your posts here it doesn't sound like you'd know what to look for anyways. :roll:

See above post.

 

[djplanet]

im kinda thinking the 640 mb gts as it is only 100$ more.

Well, my opinion is save the $100, only because the performance hit on the 320MB isn't huge at 16x10, even with lotsa AA. This may change with future titles, but I think the $100 would be better spent elsewhere, but that's just my view of it. I also don't think it's worth waiting for the GF8600 series if you're already gaming at 16x10, seriously if you wanted that kinda of gaming for $200 you'd already have the X1900XT by now.

I differ with Rob on the 640v320, but I'd say that if you want to stay in the 16x10 range for a while, the 8800 is your target, not the 8600, and waiting for the GTS' ATi counterpart isn't worth it IMO, unless you were confident that it was early Q2 and not mid to late Q2 that the R600 will ship. Personally I'd say get the GTS-320 and roll it if you feel the need after the R600s appear. Sure it's a pain, but low grade pain.

I totally agree. Except at super high resolutions and eye candy, the 320 MB is a great value IMO. Rebates for it at the Egg put holes in the "640 version is only a little more" argument. I'm definitely buying this card. Under $300 isn't bad for a card that owns the X1950XT which occupied this price point only 3 months ago.

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

now im totally confused :lol:

Mission Accomplished... Good Night Everybody! :twisted:

i was even thinking getting a 7900gt or x1900gt as they give the same or better performance than my 68gt,s in sli.

True and you can actually find a nice X1950GT for $139 at NewEgg right now, so it's a nice price point for a tempo card if any. The X1950Pro is a little better, but at about $20+ and now you start getting into the 'better off with an X1900XT' price point, etc.

that is if they drop on price at all when either the mid nv cards
or ati releases thier new cards?

The X1900GT doesn't need to drop much more IMO, you can get it open box for $130, and the X1950GT is a good price for retail, and even the GF7900GT isn't bound to drop much in price so much as simply dissappear as it doesn't get restocked.

but i want to spend for a new card in less than a month.
or i could turn down the settings in oblivion and fsx.
i like the settings as high as possible :lol:

If you're buying in the next month my opinion is a GF8800GTS-320 and don't look back for a year or so, or the X1900/1950GT with the intention of rolling it into a more powerful GTS refresh or something similar in 6-9 months time when you'll be playing Crysis.

i am suppose to go to a lan-party next month(never been to one)
but with this new monitor(it is scalable but i dont want to)
is too much for the single 69gt.

but i may have to so i can get more kills on g.w. :twisted:

Yeah I forgot you were LANing with GW. Well in that case you want a GF8800GTX and I'll help finance! Maybe we can get some LN2 and SLi. :twisted:

Seriously though, if you are considering the long term implications of keeping pace in gaming, and keeping up with the jones/GW, then I'd say the GF8800GTS is the way to go. GW will likely keep his OC'd GT until he NEEDs a refresh when Crysis or UT3 ship, and then he'll buy what he needs and can afford then, and also by then he'll know more about which solutions OC better. Just a hunch.
He also has the luxury of already owning the X1900GT and buying it when it was still young, but still a good deal; while you are coming into the fray just at the end of the X19xxGT lifespan @ 16x10, so your decision process is different. Also think that if you get the GT you could match GW, but he might turn around, sell and rebuy in a few weeks once newer options come out. You have to think longer term if you're going to LAN parties, only because slow or blurry is more forgiving when it's AI, not when it's real people.

I would say a wise move is to talk to GW and see what he thinks, he's gaming on the X1900GT right now, he knows the in/outs of overclocking it and what he thinks it'll get in the future. And I doubt he'd steer you wrong with the GTS idea. I'd trust what he'd tell you wold be wise, but of course don't the two of you get caught up in just getting new hardware to play with, that usually gets everyone. :twisted:

 

[slim142]

I thought we could trust ATI, I thought they were gonna put pressure on NVIDIA, my dreams for a gtx for less than $500 are gone for now 🙁

 

[sirheck]

If you're buying in the next month my opinion is a GF8800GTS-320 and don't look back for a year or so, or the X1900/1950GT with the intention of rolling it into a more powerful GTS refresh or something similar in 6-9 months time when you'll be playing Crysis.

thats what i have been trying to decide on.
i wont get vista till the end of the year.
i definatly want to play crysis.

and g.w. is kinda pssied at me (i think)
i didnt get signed up for the last lan and not sure if i can make the next one. :?

i plan on talking to him later and see if he is going to the next one.

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

See above post.

And to that I say post links to these SPECS you spoke of, you didn't say it was a feeling you said you had info;

"but there was info available on both in November. Believe me or don't, I care not."

Not I 'knew' they were gonna miss their targets (BTW both ATi and nV missed their targets at that point, TWICE already. So that doesn't match your hunch explanation at all. So post the info, or else it's not info it's a hunch, and so your reply to SS about that doesn't jive with what he said that there is still little info on the R600.

Otherwise I'll stick with the idea that you're either very good at acting dumb, or else you've never acted a day in your life, and we should take pitty on you.

You ask about the adoration, whicih really isn't expressed here, but expect people to understand your admitted 'Hating', what gives?

Your reasoning is flawed, and Anoobis' comment seems spot on still.

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

Well that's the best advice I can give ya' and I'd say a good counterpoint would be to ask GW, he'd know which of the two solutions he'd consider right this second.

I'd say if you aren't completely certain, then go with the X1950GT and then roll it into another card when Crysis comes out. I think the GF8800GTS is a gret buy, but if you suffer much from buyer's remorse then it's a bigger pricetag to handle.

The only other thing I'd consider is, do you game enough to justify and expense like the GTS, or would you be better off spending $140 on the GT and putting the money to something else?

BTW, Hookers are FUN! But more buyer's remorse with them. :twisted:

 

[sirheck]

when i buy a card it will probably be the g80 dx10 card for sure.
not sure which one?
but as you mentioned i only game about 3 hours a week max.
and sometimes more on just the weekends.

maybe less as springtime is coming.

ill probably mtb,ing and swimming.
hopefully get some money for a trip to cozumel
for some drift diving.

i would love to dive the greatbarrier reef.
but cozumel is much cheaper.


anyway my luck has always been like this.
(buy something and it drops by 50% within the next week)

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

Or.. $75 ;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130082

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

No worries man, either way with a close decision there's always something that will give you buyer's remorse even if 100% of the rest of the world see it as a good buy. In the end only you can decide what fits your needs, although it's always nicer to have someone else to blame for those minor moments of regret.

Personaly when I buy stuff I just buy it and don't look back once the return policy expires. No point in worrying about it then. Even my DELL was the best choice at the time, and a year later rolled it over for only $400 less (edit oops that came out $40, now I wish it were $40, but it was $400 loss, still not bad) than I paid, and put that money towards the Gateway.

There's always options even if you aren't happy, and really, the X1950GT isn't about to drop 50% within the next year IMO. $70 for an X1950GT not bloddy likely, unless on eBAY. Even the GTS cards aren't going to take that big a hit. Only the GTXs get hit that hard, and if you buy one of those, you really don't (or shouldn't) care about that.