amd quadfather 4X4 VS intel Kentsfield

[nicolasb]

I like the choice of words --- lacking metacongative skills to realize one's limitations, what better could you ask for?

I could ask for you to learn how to spell the word "metacognitive", if you're going to insist on using it as often as you do.... :tongue:

 

[1Tanker]

I like the choice of words --- lacking metacongative skills to realize one's limitations, what better could you ask for?

I could ask for you to learn how to spell the word "metacognitive", if you're going to insist on using it as often as you do.... :tongue:You've waited 7 weeks (since becoming a member), to post something like this?

 

[nicolasb]

You've waited 7 weeks (since becoming a member), to post something like this?

Well, what can I say? I lurk on an industrial scale.

 

[CoolChill]

Answer is quite simple. If you are looking for immediate performance then Intel Kentsfield is the solution. FSB of Kentsfield is not going to be major issue (not totally ruling out tho).
Here are some of 4X4 Details that might interest you:
• 4X4 is going to show up by end of Q3 in three SKUs along with compatible motherboards.
• Brand of this new 4X4 is not official yet. So I am not sure what they are going to call these processors. But I guess FX string to be used.
• Initial availability is going to be at (2.6,2.8,3.0GHz) FX60z, FX62z, FX64z. You can expect 60-80% in some benchmark numbers with these combinations against FX62.
• Real performance will come out when AMD Quad core comes out. That is going to be in Q307. Since the same mobo can take it, you need not worry about new infrastructure. AMD Quad core FX is going to come out with 512KB L2 per core, 2MB Shared L3, HT2, DDR2 Memory controller, IPC Enhancements, 128Bit FPU and 65nm. This is going to boost your overall system performance and remember these processors are unlocked. At this point Intel will be speechless, they will be stuck with single socket quad core. HyperTransport is doing the magic after all for AMD.
• Also AMD ATI marriage is going to show some results by 2008 with socket compatible graphics accelerators.

 

[Action_Man]

That was an amusing post.

 

[gOJDO]

Cool Chill, very good read. You understand whats going on and you have summed that so nice in your post. We have a lack of members like you on this subforum.

 

[BaronMatrix]

A-HOLE.

Interesting, very intelligent.

Jack
That's the best BaronBS can. You know, his respect....
Jack, why are you trying to polite with a grown up stupid child?
The relationships between people are bilateral process. It is very hard to build them and very easy to destroy them. All I can see is your effort trying to talk with BBS like talking with a man. On the other side is the stupid little child just arguing to waste his time(which probably has no dimension for him in his world). Does he deserves your treatment?

Because when he makes a post that is utter rubbish, it is best to ensure the correct information is posted or that is is shown his 'conclusions' could not hold water as he usually has a hole in the bucket.

I am rough on him true --- perhaps I should pull back. I will consider it.

STFU. My life unlike your flunkies doesn't reveolve around your opinion. I try to be as accurate as possible but no one will see every tidbit.

Again, I think its jealousy because I refuse to be chased away. This is a CPU forum, not an Intel one.

SO did you find your brain in that Chromatograph? Doesn't seem like it.

 

[BaronMatrix]

You sure he wasn't just putting people's ignorance on display? So, your basically implying he's crazy I see... Hmmm, alright, in that case, I won't argue.

Nope, I’m not saying he's crazy, not at all.
JJ suspects its metacognative recognition, that BM lacks the intellectual capacity to recognize when he is mistaken.

I suspect it’s a little deeper than that. That it is an emotional personal perspective issue.

Ultimately, the point is moot as the causal factors do not change the end result. So let’s just take the middle ground and say he's stubborn. Nothing crazy about that.

Regardless of what the truth is, the end result is that he provides incorrect information. This is the problem in a nut shell. The false information he is providing may be misleading to individuals who come here seeking knowledge. Those people simply lack the knowledge to recognize false information.

Now, if as you theorize, BM is doing this deliberately, then I would say he was crazy, as there is no logical or socially acceptable reason to be deliberately deceptive.

But, we should seriously consider getting back on topic before we get this thread locked. Since I helped perpetuate this little "side note", I will now cease.

Peace

Actually, I think JJ said that he lacks the ability to know he has limits or something as such. A bit twisted on that one, nowhere near accurate at the most part. I guess he's just a pawn that got used for fun and PWNED! Oh well, I don't know why people make fun of him. Doesn't show anything except that they want to feel better about themselves. Unless they were really trying to stop him from deliberately spreading false information. I doubt that though, he would have just been banned if that was the case and point.

1+1=2

Here is the psychological study that describes the deficiency, interesting but somewhat flawed in it's overall approach but heck, psychology study have a very hard time make the scientific correlate so at first pass is not bad.

http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf

I like the abstract myself:

People tend to hold overly favorable views of their abilities in many social and intellectual domains. The authors suggest that this overestimation occurs, in part, because people who are unskilled in these domains suffer a dual burden: Not only do these people reach erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate choices, but their incompetence robs them of the metacognitive ability to realize it. Across 4 studies, the authors found that participants scoring in the bottom quartile on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly overestimated their test performance and ability. Although their test scores put them in the 12th percentile, they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd. Several analyses linked this miscalibration to deficits in metacognitive skill, or the capacity to distinguish accuracy from error. Paradoxically, improving the skills of participants, and thus increasing their metacognitive competence, helped them recognize the limitations of their abilities.

Summarizes Baron to a 'T'.

Jack


Please, I an a Briggs-Meyer ENTJ. That means like Genghis Khan or other ruthless leaders with intellect. Look that up dufus.

 

[1Tanker]

Please, I an a Briggs-Meyer ENTJ. That means like Genghis Khan or other ruthless leaders with intellect. Look that up dufus.

You're a legend in your own mind. :roll: I swear, you must suffer from penis-envy.

 

[gOJDO]

I think its jealousy

Ohhhhhh, YEAH!!!!!!!!!!
WE ARE ALL JEALOUS TO YOU! YOU ARE THE MOST STUPID MEMEBER EVER ENTERED THG FORUM! :roll:

 

[306maxi]

You sure he wasn't just putting people's ignorance on display? So, your basically implying he's crazy I see... Hmmm, alright, in that case, I won't argue.

Nope, I’m not saying he's crazy, not at all.
JJ suspects its metacognative recognition, that BM lacks the intellectual capacity to recognize when he is mistaken.

I suspect it’s a little deeper than that. That it is an emotional personal perspective issue.

Ultimately, the point is moot as the causal factors do not change the end result. So let’s just take the middle ground and say he's stubborn. Nothing crazy about that.

Regardless of what the truth is, the end result is that he provides incorrect information. This is the problem in a nut shell. The false information he is providing may be misleading to individuals who come here seeking knowledge. Those people simply lack the knowledge to recognize false information.

Now, if as you theorize, BM is doing this deliberately, then I would say he was crazy, as there is no logical or socially acceptable reason to be deliberately deceptive.

But, we should seriously consider getting back on topic before we get this thread locked. Since I helped perpetuate this little "side note", I will now cease.

Peace

Actually, I think JJ said that he lacks the ability to know he has limits or something as such. A bit twisted on that one, nowhere near accurate at the most part. I guess he's just a pawn that got used for fun and PWNED! Oh well, I don't know why people make fun of him. Doesn't show anything except that they want to feel better about themselves. Unless they were really trying to stop him from deliberately spreading false information. I doubt that though, he would have just been banned if that was the case and point.

1+1=2

Here is the psychological study that describes the deficiency, interesting but somewhat flawed in it's overall approach but heck, psychology study have a very hard time make the scientific correlate so at first pass is not bad.

http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf

I like the abstract myself:

People tend to hold overly favorable views of their abilities in many social and intellectual domains. The authors suggest that this overestimation occurs, in part, because people who are unskilled in these domains suffer a dual burden: Not only do these people reach erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate choices, but their incompetence robs them of the metacognitive ability to realize it. Across 4 studies, the authors found that participants scoring in the bottom quartile on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly overestimated their test performance and ability. Although their test scores put them in the 12th percentile, they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd. Several analyses linked this miscalibration to deficits in metacognitive skill, or the capacity to distinguish accuracy from error. Paradoxically, improving the skills of participants, and thus increasing their metacognitive competence, helped them recognize the limitations of their abilities.

Summarizes Baron to a 'T'.

Jack


Please, I an a Briggs-Meyer ENTJ. That means like Genghis Khan or other ruthless leaders with intellect. Look that up dufus.

Genghis Khan was an AMD fanboi? Learn a new thing every day! 8)

 

[JonathanDeane]

You sure he wasn't just putting people's ignorance on display? So, your basically implying he's crazy I see... Hmmm, alright, in that case, I won't argue.

Nope, I’m not saying he's crazy, not at all.
JJ suspects its metacognative recognition, that BM lacks the intellectual capacity to recognize when he is mistaken.

I suspect it’s a little deeper than that. That it is an emotional personal perspective issue.

Ultimately, the point is moot as the causal factors do not change the end result. So let’s just take the middle ground and say he's stubborn. Nothing crazy about that.

Regardless of what the truth is, the end result is that he provides incorrect information. This is the problem in a nut shell. The false information he is providing may be misleading to individuals who come here seeking knowledge. Those people simply lack the knowledge to recognize false information.

Now, if as you theorize, BM is doing this deliberately, then I would say he was crazy, as there is no logical or socially acceptable reason to be deliberately deceptive.

But, we should seriously consider getting back on topic before we get this thread locked. Since I helped perpetuate this little "side note", I will now cease.

Peace

Actually, I think JJ said that he lacks the ability to know he has limits or something as such. A bit twisted on that one, nowhere near accurate at the most part. I guess he's just a pawn that got used for fun and PWNED! Oh well, I don't know why people make fun of him. Doesn't show anything except that they want to feel better about themselves. Unless they were really trying to stop him from deliberately spreading false information. I doubt that though, he would have just been banned if that was the case and point.

1+1=2

Here is the psychological study that describes the deficiency, interesting but somewhat flawed in it's overall approach but heck, psychology study have a very hard time make the scientific correlate so at first pass is not bad.

http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf

I like the abstract myself:

People tend to hold overly favorable views of their abilities in many social and intellectual domains. The authors suggest that this overestimation occurs, in part, because people who are unskilled in these domains suffer a dual burden: Not only do these people reach erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate choices, but their incompetence robs them of the metacognitive ability to realize it. Across 4 studies, the authors found that participants scoring in the bottom quartile on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly overestimated their test performance and ability. Although their test scores put them in the 12th percentile, they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd. Several analyses linked this miscalibration to deficits in metacognitive skill, or the capacity to distinguish accuracy from error. Paradoxically, improving the skills of participants, and thus increasing their metacognitive competence, helped them recognize the limitations of their abilities.

Summarizes Baron to a 'T'.

Jack


Please, I an a Briggs-Meyer ENTJ. That means like Genghis Khan or other ruthless leaders with intellect. Look that up dufus.

Genghis Khan was an AMD fanboi? Learn a new thing every day! 8)

Yes he was the original Mongol Horde !!! lol

 

[ElMoIsEviL]

A-HOLE.

Interesting, very intelligent.

Jack
That's the best BaronBS can. You know, his respect....
Jack, why are you trying to polite with a grown up stupid child?
The relationships between people are bilateral process. It is very hard to build them and very easy to destroy them. All I can see is your effort trying to talk with BBS like talking with a man. On the other side is the stupid little child just arguing to waste his time(which probably has no dimension for him in his world). Does he deserves your treatment?

Because when he makes a post that is utter rubbish, it is best to ensure the correct information is posted or that is is shown his 'conclusions' could not hold water as he usually has a hole in the bucket.

I am rough on him true --- perhaps I should pull back. I will consider it.

STFU. My life unlike your flunkies doesn't reveolve around your opinion. I try to be as accurate as possible but no one will see every tidbit.

Again, I think its jealousy because I refuse to be chased away. This is a CPU forum, not an Intel one.

SO did you find your brain in that Chromatograph? Doesn't seem like it.

Yes it's a CPU forum and no one said anything about it being an Intel forum. I suppose you're feeling the heat because of the mis-information you're trying to spread around like gospel. Other users aren't likely to fall prey to "fanboism". Most users on here are after the better buy, the most performance or the best overall platform. All in all the Core 2's platform is the most complete platform, the most stable, the highest overclocking, the most performance per MHz, per WATT and the platform with the clearest and most defined future in terms of upgrades and add-ons.

The reason you're feeling the heat is because you've taken a far right position, trying to fight off a company you despise, despite them having the better product. Your weapons of choice are mis-information and propaganda.

No one wants to chase you away... they want to correct you. You're allowed to have an opinion, everyone has opinions. But Opinions are not facts. Facts are discovered through rigorous research, exploration and testing. The reviews have all spoken and plastered the facts all over the web. You're still in denial.

Keep it up Bill O'Reilly.. your time is up and a new day has come. Don't worry, you'll only be hiding in the shadows until approximately Mid-2007 when once again AMD will more then likely have the superior product. Until then, keep to the facts when trying to convince others of how to spend there hard earned money 😉

 

[306maxi]

A-HOLE.

Interesting, very intelligent.

Jack
That's the best BaronBS can. You know, his respect....
Jack, why are you trying to polite with a grown up stupid child?
The relationships between people are bilateral process. It is very hard to build them and very easy to destroy them. All I can see is your effort trying to talk with BBS like talking with a man. On the other side is the stupid little child just arguing to waste his time(which probably has no dimension for him in his world). Does he deserves your treatment?

Because when he makes a post that is utter rubbish, it is best to ensure the correct information is posted or that is is shown his 'conclusions' could not hold water as he usually has a hole in the bucket.

I am rough on him true --- perhaps I should pull back. I will consider it.

STFU. My life unlike your flunkies doesn't reveolve around your opinion. I try to be as accurate as possible but no one will see every tidbit.

Again, I think its jealousy because I refuse to be chased away. This is a CPU forum, not an Intel one.

SO did you find your brain in that Chromatograph? Doesn't seem like it.

No one wants to chase you away...

Speak for yourself 😛

 

[1Tanker]

I like the choice of words --- lacking metacongative skills to realize one's limitations, what better could you ask for?

I could ask for you to learn how to spell the word "metacognitive", if you're going to insist on using it as often as you do.... :tongue:

Apologies, I often typo especially vowels; I will pay more attention in the futore (ooops future), to appeese (ooops appease) your eyes and avood, oops (avoid) damaging your sensitivetiy (ooops sensitivity) to such slips.

JackTouche!! 😀

 

[clue69less]

JJ suspects its metacognative recognition, that BM lacks the intellectual capacity to recognize when he is mistaken.

I suspect it’s a little deeper than that. That it is an emotional personal perspective issue.

I agree. It's similar to the kind of zeal possessed by religious fanatics or anyone far left or right politically. There's just no chance of having a meaningful conversation because their fanaticism colors their thought processes excessively. Such people are not open-minded observers, they see through tunnel-vision filters, looking only for information that supports their belief system. Baron: this is you.

Regardless of what the truth is, the end result is that he provides incorrect information. This is the problem in a nut shell. The false information he is providing may be misleading to individuals who come here seeking knowledge. Those people simply lack the knowledge to recognize false information.

It's a tough battle, trying to seek the truth, let alone to propogate it in the face of misinformed or dishonest individuals. Many people seek the spectacular and Baron feeds those folks large buckets of speculative BS. My approach is to look at different opinions and on forums such as this, I take a longer-term perspective to getting to know the members and their biases, tendencies and how they approach the information gathering process. I really tried to give Baron the oportunity to prove himself, but his record speaks for itself.

Now, if as you theorize, BM is doing this deliberately, then I would say he was crazy, as there is no logical or socially acceptable reason to be deliberately deceptive.

Sure there is a logical reason - it's all about the support of fanaticism. In his own words, he's admitted that he would not buy a non-AMD CPU even if is performed better and cost less. When I read that and his comments about racism, a corner was turned. I have not since taken much he's had to say seriously. Why bother? The dude's got a bad trace in his front side bus.

 

[clue69less]

Please, I an a Briggs-Meyer ENTJ. That means like Genghis Khan or other ruthless leaders with intellect. Look that up dufus.

I've taught M/B in industrial settings so no reason to look anything up...

But tell me this, Baron, since M/B testing is relatively recent, how on earth did you manage to test Genghis to determine his type?

(Oh, I forgot - facts are not important to you. It's much more important to stoke your hungry ego)


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I would have predicted the E and J. I'm guessing you're borderline N/S if in that ballpark at all. You do not display the open-minded attitude of a true N and instead seem to snap to judgement like a frustrated S stuck in a roomful of Ns. If you really are a T, remember that such a type is no insurance that your thoughts even remotely approach logic nor fact.

 

[1Tanker]

JJ suspects its metacognative recognition, that BM lacks the intellectual capacity to recognize when he is mistaken.

I suspect it’s a little deeper than that. That it is an emotional personal perspective issue.

I agree. It's similar to the kind of zeal possessed by religious fanatics or anyone far left or right politically. There's just no chance of having a meaningful conversation because their fanaticism colors their thought processes excessively. Such people are not open-minded observers, they see through tunnel-vision filters, looking only for information that supports their belief system. Baron: this is you.

Regardless of what the truth is, the end result is that he provides incorrect information. This is the problem in a nut shell. The false information he is providing may be misleading to individuals who come here seeking knowledge. Those people simply lack the knowledge to recognize false information.

It's a tough battle, trying to seek the truth, let alone to propogate it in the face of misinformed or dishonest individuals. Many people seek the spectacular and Baron feeds those folks large buckets of speculative BS. My approach is to look at different opinions and on forums such as this, I take a longer-term perspective to getting to know the members and their biases, tendencies and how they approach the information gathering process. I really tried to give Baron the oportunity to prove himself, but his record speaks for itself.

Now, if as you theorize, BM is doing this deliberately, then I would say he was crazy, as there is no logical or socially acceptable reason to be deliberately deceptive.

Sure there is a logical reason - it's all about the support of fanaticism. In his own words, he's admitted that he would not buy a non-AMD CPU even if is performed better and cost less. When I read that and his comments about racism, a corner was turned. I have not since taken much he's had to say seriously. Why bother? The dude's got a bad trace in his front side bus.His brain is being overvolted, and is suffering from electron-migration. Total system failure is imminent. 8O

 

[joset]

http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf

Jack

Definitely a pearl; there some other alternatives, though. And, since it's somewhat more general, here it goes:

The Stockholm syndrome is a psychological response sometimes seen in an abducted hostage, in which the hostage exhibits loyalty to the hostage-taker, in spite of the danger (or at least risk) in which the hostage has been placed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

(Not to mention psychologically deranged cod-fishes and sea-weeds...)

Cheers! 😀

 

[joset]

"almost electrically impossible"

Unless of course they do some kind of VRM trick that doesn't run 100% of the chip when idle. I would be interested to see what load power is. I would bet that 4x4 will do as well or better than 2xx or 2xxx.

(...)

Which chip?! And, the overall TDP must be considered at full load, not when using three out of four cores at (power managed) idle.


Cheers!

 

[joset]

Answer is quite simple. If you are looking for immediate performance then Intel Kentsfield is the solution. FSB of Kentsfield is not going to be major issue (not totally ruling out tho).
Here are some of 4X4 Details that might interest you:
• 4X4 is going to show up by end of Q3 in three SKUs along with compatible motherboards.
• Brand of this new 4X4 is not official yet. So I am not sure what they are going to call these processors. But I guess FX string to be used.
• Initial availability is going to be at (2.6,2.8,3.0GHz) FX60z, FX62z, FX64z. You can expect 60-80% in some benchmark numbers with these combinations against FX62.
• Real performance will come out when AMD Quad core comes out. That is going to be in Q307. Since the same mobo can take it, you need not worry about new infrastructure. AMD Quad core FX is going to come out with 512KB L2 per core, 2MB Shared L3, HT2, DDR2 Memory controller, IPC Enhancements, 128Bit FPU and 65nm. This is going to boost your overall system performance and remember these processors are unlocked. At this point Intel will be speechless, they will be stuck with single socket quad core. HyperTransport is doing the magic after all for AMD.
• Also AMD ATI marriage is going to show some results by 2008 with socket compatible graphics accelerators.

Excuse me but, since you didn't disclaim any speculation-driven intention in your post, could you, please, provide links to the above statements? And, could you elaborate on Intel's upcoming lack of speech, as well? Thanks.


Cheers!

 

[GiDDY_SOUL]

@ Jack

True that AMDs technology will scale better as the cores multiply.

U say a Quad Core K8 will most likely
or should outperform a 4x4 r8?
So Y is AMD going for 4x4 instead of a Quad Core K8?
Isnt a Quadcore K8 easier to produce + taking less silicon space?

 

[Action_Man]

I try to be as accurate as possible but no one will see every tidbit.

Try harder you're doing a pretty sh!tty job.

Again, I think its jealousy because I refuse to be chased away.

BM?

Anyways if you keep this sh!t up you'll be chased away and you won't be coming back, hint hint.

This is a CPU forum, not an Intel one.

Its a CPU forum not an AMD or Intel one you stupid fanboy.

 

[dduummyy]

we should be able to find a cure for cancer when them babies come out, and map the human genetic sequence in a half hour. :lol:

 

[turpit]

Baron first allow me to apologize as I havent had the time to do full justice to the list idiotic comments you made. So, just a quickie

Please, I an a Briggs-Meyer ENTJ. That means like Genghis Khan or other ruthless leaders with intellect. Look that up dufus.

I wonder if you realize how truly outrageously funny your “ruthless leader with intellect” comment is. You basically said you are one step ahead of a violent moron who is incapable of any thought.

Congratulations. I concur

Intellect, in its simplest definition (I don’t want to get too technical for you, I know you consistently demonstrate a lack of capacity to comprehend) is: The faculty of thought.

Again, Congratulations are in order. You have acknowledged that you, along with the majority of the 6,542,275,147 other humans on this planet, have the ability to think. Well, wasn’t that a revelation

Intellect is neither the qualitative or quantitative measure of intelligence; it is simply the ability to think. Whether or not you possess sufficient amount of that ability to reason logically or reach a correct conclusion is another matter.

You seen to be attempting to imply (through the use of the word 'intellect') that you have some advanced intellectual capacity. Yet you demonstrate (fairly consistently) that your capacity is limited to misinterpreting data, arriving at the wrong conclusion, and failing to recognize your errors. In your defense, you do seem to have a very expansive imagination.

Why is this? Go talk to a shrink to find out. You are in desperate need of one