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Baron first allow me to apologize as I havent had the time to do full justice to the list idiotic comments you made. So, just a quickie

Please, I an a Briggs-Meyer ENTJ. That means like Genghis Khan or other ruthless leaders with intellect. Look that up dufus.
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I wonder if you realize how truly outrageously funny your “ruthless leader with intellect” comment is. You basically said you are one step ahead of a violent moron who is incapable of any thought.

Congratulations. I concur

Intellect, in its simplest definition (I don’t want to get too technical for you, I know you consistently demonstrate a lack of capacity to comprehend) is: The faculty of thought.

Again, Congratulations are in order. You have acknowledged that you, along with the majority of the 6,542,275,147 other humans on this planet, have the ability to think. Well, wasn’t that a revelation

Intellect is neither the qualitative or quantitative measure of intelligence; it is simply the ability to think. Whether or not you possess sufficient amount of that ability to reason logically or reach a correct conclusion is another matter.

You seen to be attempting to imply (through the use of the word 'intellect') that you have some advanced intellectual capacity. Yet you demonstrate (fairly consistently) that your capacity is limited to misinterpreting data, arriving at the wrong conclusion, and failing to recognize your errors. In your defense, you do seem to have a very expansive imagination.

Why is this? Go talk to a shrink to find out. You are in desperate need of one


No I said you're a coward with no spine.
 
Baron first allow me to apologize as I havent had the time to do full justice to the list idiotic comments you made. So, just a quickie

Please, I an a Briggs-Meyer ENTJ. That means like Genghis Khan or other ruthless leaders with intellect. Look that up dufus.
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I wonder if you realize how truly outrageously funny your “ruthless leader with intellect” comment is. You basically said you are one step ahead of a violent moron who is incapable of any thought.

Congratulations. I concur

Intellect, in its simplest definition (I don’t want to get too technical for you, I know you consistently demonstrate a lack of capacity to comprehend) is: The faculty of thought.

Again, Congratulations are in order. You have acknowledged that you, along with the majority of the 6,542,275,147 other humans on this planet, have the ability to think. Well, wasn’t that a revelation

Intellect is neither the qualitative or quantitative measure of intelligence; it is simply the ability to think. Whether or not you possess sufficient amount of that ability to reason logically or reach a correct conclusion is another matter.

You seen to be attempting to imply (through the use of the word 'intellect') that you have some advanced intellectual capacity. Yet you demonstrate (fairly consistently) that your capacity is limited to misinterpreting data, arriving at the wrong conclusion, and failing to recognize your errors. In your defense, you do seem to have a very expansive imagination.

Why is this? Go talk to a shrink to find out. You are in desperate need of one


No I said you're a coward with no spine.

STFU. Go beseige a Chinese city or something.
 
I just remember AMD said the 4x4 will b upgradeable to Quad Core CPUs!

The Dual Core X2 in 4x4 may not b able to beat intels Kentsfield, but the Quad Core K8L in 4x4 system will kick ass!

Will Intel release 8 Core CPUs by the time AMD brings out its Quad core K8L?

AMD will take the performance crown after K8L most probably.
 
I just remember AMD said the 4x4 will b upgradeable to Quad Core CPUs!

The Dual Core X2 in 4x4 may not b able to beat intels Kentsfield, but the Quad Core K8L in 4x4 system will kick ass!

Will Intel release 8 Core CPUs by the time AMD brings out its Quad core K8L?

AMD will take the performance crown after K8L most probably.
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The short answer is perhaps, it appears on leaked roadmaps. But those are revised. I don't see Intel putting anything like this on the market in the near future.

Intel will still need to limp along on the FSB until they finish CSI development. That may not appear until Nehalem in 2008.

Jack

This is the real consideration here. It seems likely that shortly after AMD releases their 65nm process Intel will counter with 45nm which is scheduled for Q4 2007. 45nm and CSI will give Intel a decided advantage (further advantage) over AMD. I respectfully believe that AMD will be a day late and a dollar short by the time K8L is released. The Fall IDF is scheduled to take place soon and I am certain we will all learn a lot from it.

Whatever the outcome we will all win with new ridiculously fast and cheap processers over the next few years. If only they could create a chipset that is sufficiently feature rich and performance capable so we didn't have to upgrade motherboards every 6 months :roll:
 
• Also AMD ATI marriage is going to show some results by 2008 with socket compatible graphics accelerators.
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BTW, why do you think that socket compatible graphics accelarators should have any advantage over current solutions?
 
First of all I want to say that I prefer AMD (I'm not a crazy fanboy)

The current situation is:

Conroe has the performance crown.
AMD has price/performance crown in MOST (not all) CPU's (mainly mid/low end)
Reading the reviews of the 4 core Conroe, I'm quite impressed, I think it will outperform the 4x4 platform which will have 2 FX-62's (or similar).

However AMD's K8L is a mystery - will it compete with the 4 core Conroe?... In my opinion the 4 core Conroe will be similar in performance to the K8L. Neither will have more than a 10% performance advantage - as I said, this is only my opinion.

However two K8L's in one platform would be very interesting - 8 cores in one computer. - will this be possible? - I hope so - and in my opinion it will.
 
However two K8L's in one platform would be very interesting - 8 cores in one computer. - will this be possible? - I hope so - and in my opinion it will.
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K8L will be, at least initially, a server chip. As there is two socket woodcrest solution today, by the time K8L is launched, Intel will have clowertown and 8 core platform on the market for 6 months.
 
Its also possible that since the 4x4 is not quite in production yet AMD could revise the chip to put it on the same level or higher than the ES of the Kentsfield. Does anyone even know if AMD has actually made the chip or is it still in production? Jack, Turpit, Exit2dos do any you know ?
Conversely what we have from Intel is only a ES so when we get a actual production model that has been finialized it could be that the C2Q pwns the crown. Still we have an actual chip form Intel which gives them a wide margin, seeing as this chip was purported to be in the works for late 2007 but will probably see the light of day in Oct.
 
Its also possible that since the 4x4 is not quite in production yet AMD could revise the chip to put it on the same level or higher than the ES of the Kentsfield. Does anyone even know if AMD has actually made the chip or is it still in production? Jack, Turpit, Exit2dos do any you know ?
Conversely what we have from Intel is only a ES so when we get a actual production model that has been finialized it could be that the C2Q pwns the crown. Still we have an actual chip form Intel which gives them a wide margin, seeing as this chip was purported to be in the works for late 2007 but will probably see the light of day in Oct.
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Are you referring to the K8L? If so, AMD has it on their roadmap for the second half of next year, and they are just now beginning 65nm output - so I doubt anyone will see a ES for some time yet. I'm sure AMD is adding as many improvements as it can, but remember - the K8L is going to be marketed for servers, so it will be competing with Intel's Clovertown not the Kentsfield.

As far as the 4x4 platform, AMD has to release chips with 2 HT links (currently they have one). AMD has much to show here:
-Will it be comparable speed-wise to the Kentsfield.
-How about power consumption/heat and size? 4x4 has two sockets, but that also means 2 HSF assemblies and 4 Dimms needed.
-How about price? If AMD plans on using 2 FX chips on a board? They're going for ~$800 each right now. Will $1600 in 2 processors be better than a single $1000 one?

Right now, Intel does ,very firmly, hold the crown. The K8L might reclaim AMD's advantage in the server line, which could bolster their desktop line when it trickles down. A 4x4 system with 2 K8L variants - 8 cores, would be very impressive, but we probably won't see that until the end of next year at the earliest - at which time, Intel plans to be at 45nm and starting HT & IMC in it's own chips for 2008.

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I've posted this link before, but seeing Intel use an IMC and HyperTransport in its own line - the technical possibilities excite me more than Kentsfield/4x4 which are plenty exciting in their own right.
 
Yea there is no way I would get a 4x4 setup if I could not just use one chip to start and then pop in another later. Too damn expensive otherwise IMHO. Also I can not see them limiting it to just FX chips either. That would be just dumb. Should be able to put whatever matched pair of chips of AM2 chips you want. Honestly i think making it only for FX chips will alienate a lot of customers that would have bought a more flexible setup.
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Don't forget, the CPUs in a 4x4 system will require an extra HT, so you can't even upgrade you system now with a CPU you'll be able to use when 4x4 does come out.
 
Its also possible that since the 4x4 is not quite in production yet AMD could revise the chip to put it on the same level or higher than the ES of the Kentsfield. Does anyone even know if AMD has actually made the chip or is it still in production? Jack, Turpit, Exit2dos do any you know ?
Conversely what we have from Intel is only a ES so when we get a actual production model that has been finialized it could be that the C2Q pwns the crown. Still we have an actual chip form Intel which gives them a wide margin, seeing as this chip was purported to be in the works for late 2007 but will probably see the light of day in Oct.
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Are you referring to the K8L? If so, AMD has it on their roadmap for the second half of next year, and they are just now beginning 65nm output - so I doubt anyone will see a ES for some time yet. I'm sure AMD is adding as many improvements as it can, but remember - the K8L is going to be marketed for servers, so it will be competing with Intel's Clovertown not the Kentsfield.

As far as the 4x4 platform, AMD has to release chips with 2 HT links (currently they have one). AMD has much to show here:
-Will it be comparable speed-wise to the Kentsfield.
-How about power consumption/heat and size? 4x4 has two sockets, but that also means 2 HSF assemblies and 4 Dimms needed.
-How about price? If AMD plans on using 2 FX chips on a board? They're going for ~$800 each right now. Will $1600 in 2 processors be better than a single $1000 one?

Right now, Intel does ,very firmly, hold the crown. The K8L might reclaim AMD's advantage in the server line, which could bolster their desktop line when it trickles down. A 4x4 system with 2 K8L variants - 8 cores, would be very impressive, but we probably won't see that until the end of next year at the earliest - at which time, Intel plans to be at 45nm and starting HT & IMC in it's own chips for 2008.

Link

I've posted this link before, but seeing Intel use an IMC and HyperTransport in its own line - the technical possibilities excite me more than Kentsfield/4x4 which are plenty exciting in their own right.

AMD is going to release new CPU's built on the 65nm process for 4x4 they will come in a bundle not seperatly and will use the Athlon64 FX moniker (which isused by AMD to indicate an enthusiast product). Now AMD may also release them seperatly (meaning you can buy a CPU now and another later) but as of yet this is not the case.

They won't be the current Athlon64 FX processors. They will be exactly the same in performance as a similar clocked Athlon64 X2 processor today albeit built on a 65nm process and using 2 HT links for 4x4 compatibility.
 
AMD is going to release new CPU's built on the 65nm process for 4x4 they will come in a bundle not seperatly and will use the Athlon64 FX moniker (which isused by AMD to indicate an enthusiast product). Now AMD may also release them seperatly (meaning you can buy a CPU now and another later) but as of yet this is not the case.

They won't be the current Athlon64 FX processors. They will be exactly the same in performance as a similar clocked Athlon64 X2 processor today albeit built on a 65nm process and using 2 HT links for 4x4 compatibility.
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Thanks for the info. I wonder what kind of premium AMD is going to want :?
 
AMD is going to release new CPU's built on the 65nm process for 4x4 they will come in a bundle not seperatly and will use the Athlon64 FX moniker (which isused by AMD to indicate an enthusiast product). Now AMD may also release them seperatly (meaning you can buy a CPU now and another later) but as of yet this is not the case.

They won't be the current Athlon64 FX processors. They will be exactly the same in performance as a similar clocked Athlon64 X2 processor today albeit built on a 65nm process and using 2 HT links for 4x4 compatibility.
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Thanks for the info. I wonder what kind of premium AMD is going to want :?

Not much apparently.. one can only assume the highend end 3.0GHz (I assume) models will run around $1000 total for the combo while they have said they will offer models that are bellow $1000.. so my guess is 2.4GHz and up.

But really I'm only guessing on the clockspeeds. As for the rest of the info it came from AMD.
 
More and more I am getting turned off when it come to 4x4. At first it seemed like a good idea but if it is going to be so restricted then I want nothing to do with it.
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I tend to agree, but I'm going to wait and see. If you and a friend are going to build AMD, it's possible that a 2-pack of 4x4 chips may cost less than 2 regular.
Also, if AMD is going to release quadcore 4x4 chips, I see a good, cheap server here using non-registered RAM. I don't know if AMD will make the 4x4 quadcore, for that reason alone. Again, I'll wait & see.

Maybe AMD is really working hard on something useful and is using this 4x4 as a distraction making everyone think they are all but useless. More and more I am getting turned off to AMD in general so they better pull something out soon or my next system is gonna be with a core 2 or whatever is available that I can afford when I am ready to build again. Hope my system will last long enough for the snail like pace AMD seems to be taking with things. :lol:
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I'm sure AMD is working as hard as it can. I don't like how quiet they've been since the C2D came out, but I can't blame them. If they make a big deal out of things like moving to 65nm - all they're doing is inviting comparisons to how far they are behind Intel.

It's definately possible that they may "pull out something soon" with K8L on the server side, but as far as a desktop chip, it looks like 4x4 is all they're going to have for a while.
 
I guess AMD will start selling 65nm processors in october, which is about 2 months ahead of what i originally heard. They have been making them since june so they should be widely available to oem's and diy's. We will see how they perform and then we should be able to predict how well 4x4 will work. I personally think 4x4 will be a great platform even at a price especially if it is very flexible. I think this because AMD will always have the performance title so long as two of their processors can match a single intel. :lol: And when AM3 comes out then 4x4 will be compatible with that as well.
 
thanks for the correction
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Well, I think ElMoIsEvil taught everyone a thing or 2 about the 4x4. Never really believed in his screen name until I saw the group picture:
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I think all the fanboy BS should be dropped. It is a FACT that intel is the fastest around. And I say that its going to be that way for awhile. In my opinion AMD owned the P4 and the early dual core options. But now its hands down Intel. Thats just the facts of the way it is. I own AMD, i just bought my new setup and put in at 3800-X2. But i am not a fanboy to either intel or AMD. In two years I am positive AMD will retake the crown, its inevitable and vital to their survival as a company. They made the same chips for soooo long, but now is biting them in the ass.

But this competition between AMD and Intel benefits EVERYONE. AMD had a great proc. and Intel went to the drawing board and came out with something amazing. I fully expect AMD to do the same. There are huge leaps in techonology happening right now and Im loving it. Its happening right now for AMD and Intel has already done it. I can ohmost guarantee that AMD will retake the CPU performance crown, just wait.
 
Word up son, word knamean.
Really whats the big deal with one company establishing dominance over another for a period? Compition promotes low prices. Maybe fanbois are rich are something cause brand loyalty is a motha on your wallet.
 
I think all the fanboy BS should be dropped. It is a FACT that intel is the fastest around. And I say that its going to be that way for awhile. In my opinion AMD owned the P4 and the early dual core options. But now its hands down Intel. Thats just the facts of the way it is. I own AMD, i just bought my new setup and put in at 3800-X2. But i am not a fanboy to either intel or AMD. In two years I am positive AMD will retake the crown, its inevitable and vital to their survival as a company. They made the same chips for soooo long, but now is biting them in the ass.

But this competition between AMD and Intel benefits EVERYONE. AMD had a great proc. and Intel went to the drawing board and came out with something amazing. I fully expect AMD to do the same. There are huge leaps in techonology happening right now and Im loving it. Its happening right now for AMD and Intel has already done it. I can ohmost guarantee that AMD will retake the CPU performance crown, just wait.
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I'd go further and say that one can guarantee that AMD will retake the CPU crown. Not with 4x4 however and perhaps with K8L. But in due time they will retake the crown. Only to lose it once more. That's how this industry works. Intel really slipped with Prescott/PentiumD. Same way nVIDIA slipped with the GeForceFX.

These slips do occur, but then look at nVIDIA's products to come after the GeForceFX (6x00 series, 7xx0 series). They did more then redo themselves.

Of course nVIDIA is still lagging when you compare there GPU's to ATi's VPU's (one vs. one) but the beauty of it is that nVIDIA pulled a 3Dfx and is able to meet and even surpass ATi (not on features or image quality) but on performanc alone seeing as SLI is superior to Crossfire (not with AA and aF but that's another story).

So between nVIDIA and ATI we have parity (pretty much). Core 2 Duo sales have helped ATi greatly. Almost everyone buying a Core 2 Duo system has been paring with with an ATi x1x00 series card. Which is funny seeing as anything that benefits ATi, benefits AMD. :wink:
 
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