AMD Radeon R9 390X, R9 380 And R7 370 Tested

[vertexx]

I wonder what a fully enabled Tonga GPU could do.....

There never was or will be a "fully enabled Tonga". Those rumors were just made up from those who looked at a die shot and misinterpreted it.

R9 M295X is Tonga and has 32 CUs and 2048 SPs

http://www.amd.com/en-us/products/graphics/notebook/r9-m200
http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-R9-M295X.129043.0.html

Overclock3d published a post indicating the R9 380X would be fully enabled. Of course this is just speculation.
http://www.overclock3d.net/articles/gpu_displays/amd_tonga_gpu_die_image_shows_384-bit_memory_bus/1

 

[cmi86]

Why does everyone kick and scream when AMD re badges some stuff but when Nvidia does it everything is all sunshine and rainbows?

 

[Calculatron]

I like the additions of the FLIR, especially when showing that backplates are not necessarily a good thing.

Thanks for the article!

 

[InvalidError]

Why does everyone kick and scream when AMD re badges some stuff but when Nvidia does it everything is all sunshine and rainbows?

I think most of us are equally wary of seeing rebadges from either side of the fence. Three years of rehashing the same core products is starting to get really old.

 

[dragonsqrrl]

Why does everyone kick and scream when AMD re badges some stuff but when Nvidia does it everything is all sunshine and rainbows?

Maybe you could be a little more specific, because I distinctly recall people kicking and screaming when Nvidia performed less extensive rebadges then this in the past.

 

[joemehnert]

Wrong driver. Use the new 15.15 to test again. The original 15.200 shown in GPU-Z is not very optimized.

15.20. is the only driver that works for these cards now. I got one from best buy to play around with. Its even detected as a 290 if you use amd's driver detection tool.
Amd fury is a really nice card as long as you dont need hdmi 2.0. Realyl sad that they didnt include it. Forces me to buy green with my setup.

 

[FormatC]

@Calculatron:
This still pictures were made with a Hi-res infrared video cam from Optris. It's an expensive high-quality German brand and their products are used f.e. from Globalfoundries and the McLaren F1 team (telemetry boxes). I'm using special painting and tape to measure with the right emissive.

Some reviewers are using FLIR products but with the default emissive of 0.95. This is really stupid and gives you totally wrong value. IR measuring is more difficult as only get a cam an use it with default settings.

 

[AdviserKulikov]

Its funny because guru3d.com tested the MSI 390x and the gtx 980 and at 1440p and 4k the 2 cards are almost identical across a whole lot more games tested. Why are these tests so much different???

The way Guru3d tested, it came out with the 290x being the same as the 390x. It says more that they did something wrong in the testing if they ended up with a 290x being so close to a GTX 980 when everybody else says there's a significant gap in performance.

 

[junkeymonkey]

would of a r9 280x been a better card to compare test with ? seeing its the ''better'' of the 280 line ? hmmmmm

to me that 280x is what you want to see up against the 380 and the 390's [opinion]

 

[afya]

Wrong driver. Use the new 15.15 to test again. The original 15.200 shown in GPU-Z is not very optimized.

15.20. is the only driver that works for these cards now. I got one from best buy to play around with. Its even detected as a 290 if you use amd's driver detection tool.
Amd fury is a really nice card as long as you dont need hdmi 2.0. Realyl sad that they didnt include it. Forces me to buy green with my setup.

AMD release 15.15 for the 300 series 2 days ago and from what I heard, they are better than the 15.200 that comes with the card.

 

[joex444]

Wait, I think I'm misunderstanding something. Is the 390x a rebranding of the 290x, but costing $100 more??

Street vs MSRP aside, you're forgetting the 290X is a 4GB card while the 390X is an 8GB card. The extra 4GB of GDDR5 certainly is a part of that price difference.

 

[FormatC]

Again: the 300 series was tested with 15.15, the 200 series with 15.5. You can find this on the page with test setup. Is it so difficult to read?
I made ONLY the GPU-Z screens with 15.2 because I had to use my time before AMD send me the newer one.

 

[afya]

Wrong driver. Use the new 15.15 to test again. The original 15.200 shown in GPU-Z is not very optimized.

The 2xx were tested with 15.5, as AMD has recommended, only the GPU-Z screens are older. I made it directly after unboxing with MSIs driver. The 15.15 doesn't support older cards, the apps crashes. This was the reason to use the 15.5 and not 15.15 (seen on page with test setup)

I still think 15.15 would be better than 15.5 for the new cards. There got to be a reason AMD release new drivers for the 300 series cards lol.

 

[FormatC]

Last time for all:

Again: the 300 series was tested with 15.15, the 200 series with 15.5. You can find this on the page with test setup. Is it so difficult to read?

The 200 series crashed permanently with 15.15. The 15.15 is only in a handful of games mentionable faster. This driver chaos was the reason for me to skip Witcher 3. All "older games" are similar. The 15.15 isn't a big bang driver for all games.

 

[afya]

Again: the 300 series was tested with 15.15, the 200 series with 15.5. You can find this on the page with test setup. Is it so difficult to read?

Drivers:
AMD: Catalyst 15.5 Beta (from MSI DVD)
Nvidia: GeForce 353.06 WHQL

You never mentioned 15.15 in your test setup. -0-

 

[FormatC]

This, what I wrote:
http://www.tomshardware.de/amd-radeon-r9-390x-r9-380-r7-370-grafikkarten,testberichte-241836-5.html

Let me check the translation. The first part was translated before AMD send me drivers for the R300 series. It is not so easy to handle a lot of languages in real-time. I've started in this the 200 series and the table was not complete

 

[Aspiring techie]

Shame the 390x didn't perform much better than the 290x. I guess that's what you get from rebrands.

 

[junkeymonkey]

aint the 15,xx drivers for the 300 cards only?? seeing the support is only for 7and 8.1 64 only ?? did you not see if you choose r9-200 cards at amd download page you get 14.12 not 15.xx as you tried and crashed [under manually select driver ] ?? lol

 

[FormatC]

The 15.15 is R300 only. The older cards are detected and you can use the 2D desktop. If you start a 3D app you will crash. AMD confirmed this and suggested all reviewers to use the 15.5 for older cards. They will provide the 15.15 or higher for all cards later, after Fury.

15.xx are all Beta, this is AMDs new stategy to handle drivers. On AMDs homepage you have to select BETA drivers, to get it

 

[logainofhades]

Shame the 390x didn't perform much better than the 290x. I guess that's what you get from rebrands.

Yea, the whole launch is pointless. The Fury series should have been 3xx. The 370 is the biggest joke, as it is actually an R7 265. :lol: They should have at least reused the 270x, for a 370.

 

[FormatC]

It seems that the 400 series is planned for Q2/2016

The HBM might be cheaper + available and Nvidia is also planning something new with a P in the name.

 

[Nathan Fernandes]

will the bench marks be any better once directx 12 is out? in other words will the performance increase in games since the card is fully compatible with directx 12

 

[dorsai]

I simply do not understand why so many people are complaining about 390x being a respin of 290x. nVidia does the same thing all the time and no one ran around claiming the sky was falling when they did it. Granted the cost for 390x is to high...but that is almost always the case at launch...3 months from now they will most likely be priced much more in line with 290x.

Honestly, do people think AMD or even nVidia has the money to replace every single card in their entire lineup at one time ? This is ridiculous and equivalent to expecting Chevy to replace every car they sell at once...business just doesn't work that way.

The new Fiji based card tech like HBM will filter down to the main stream cards once production ramps and yields improve. People need to remember this isn't a simple memory swap to the next best version of GDDR...this is a whole architecture change that will take time to filter down.

In the mean time memory speed and size boosts and other small improvements on the current 290/280 platform make sense since the manufacturing yields are solid and the cards have been successful in the market place.

 

[dragonsqrrl]

will the bench marks be any better once directx 12 is out? in other words will the performance increase in games since the card is fully compatible with directx 12

It's my understanding that no, current DX11 games won't see a performance boost from simply running in Win 10 with a DX12 compatible card and drivers. To extract the maximum performance benefits from DX12 developers will need to take advantage of the API overhead improvements in engine during development.

 

[Memnarchon]

Its funny because guru3d.com tested the MSI 390x and the gtx 980 and at 1440p and 4k the 2 cards are almost identical across a whole lot more games tested. Why are these tests so much different???

It happens that I read Guru3D's article about MSI 390X. Both tests show the same thing.
You just didn't read that Guru3D used a reference GTX 980 against MSI R9 390X Gaming, while Tom's Hardware used both factory o/ced cards for a better apples to apples comparison, MSI GTX 980 Gaming against MSI R9 390X Gaming.