AMD Ryzen 3000 Series Matisse CPUs Listed With Specs

[JamesSneed]

I might be interesting in the 3600X for my gaming rig. At that cost of $229 I would likely even pay extra to get a binned version to OC it.

 

[valeman2012]

I might be interesting in the 3600X for my gaming rig. At that cost of $229 I would likely even pay extra to get a binned version to OC it.

Prepare for your Power BIlls to go big time..

 

[BulkZerker]

Isn't this a report of I formation from videocardz?

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-9-3800x-matisse-listed-with-16-cores-and-125w-tdp

Aren't these listings from a Russian retailer, who coypasta'd these specs from a rumor sheet and used as placeholders? http://www.e-katalog.ru/AMD-RYZEN-9-MATISSE.htm

Why yes, yes it is.
I'm looking at this with a truck full of salt. Not a grain, a truckload.
These numbers are insane, and as big AMD fan who bought a Ryzen+ (2700x) I will be PISSED if these specs are true. Those clockspeed are fing bonkers. The corecoints are impressive though. If that's the new 3000 series chips so be it, I can believe them adding cores to the chips to keep increasing multitastking and multithrrad performance. AMD has done this three times and the first time it was an absolute game changer. And this time, like that time, their cores are strong on their own merit.

 

[ammaross]

Prepare for your Power BIlls to go big time..

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i9-9900k-9th-gen-cpu,5847-11.html
Even an AMD 125W TDP won't be as bad as a 9900K@stock.

 

[wwaaacs5]

Competition has forced significant advance by AMD in the last couple years. Intel has been able to cruise merrily along with status quo tic/toc updates. Anyone who thinks Intel won't respond to this is delusional.

the problem with intels progression are i think 3 things. the rigidness and hardliner business and production practices, this has not allowed much flexablity without massive investment in new FAB hardware. also the issue of how much of the market they did control. with such a massive percentage of the market under their nail, they had lil to no need to progress anything that can be mass produced at a affordable cost for both them and basic consumer level. the production prossess and changes for new components that may bee widely popular would me massively expensive to to produce. something like this would be a VERY VERY, if not impossible task to convince investors, shareholder, and the chain when ur company allrdy controlled 80 to 90% of the market. they saw some share moving towards mobile cpus for phone, and made a attempt to cut into the market, but it fell flat on its face since they could not gain any traction with their internal workings inside of the company. i think apple came to them to manufacturer the cpu for the first iphone which they turned down.

 

[hannibal]

Yep. Too good to be true. 16 cores... possible yes, just not very likely. Could these be treads? 8 cores 16 treads... that is what I would Expect because that would be more sensible if the prices Are right...
Well soon enough we will see. Even 3850 with 8 cores 16 treads at 4.2 to 5.1 would be really good! Even that would put Intel to defensive position!

 

[silverblue]

I think it's worth bearing in mind that whilst turbo clocks may go up a lot, base clocks aren't so much. Coupled with a decent node shrink, why should these TDPs not be realistic?

There will be questions over bandwidth as much as there will be over latency. Will getting decent performance require stupidly expensive memory or is Zen 2 less sensitive to bandwidth? There are a lot of questions that will not all be answered at CES.

 

[cryoburner]

Prepare for your Power BIlls to go big time..

125 watts for a 16-core, 32 -thread processor? You do realize that Intel's current 16-core i9-7960X has a 165 watt TDP, right? Also, with a price of $1700 for that i9, I don't think electricity costs would be one's biggest concern. : P

 

[emeralds1000000]

AMD is killing their Threadripper line ... not a smart move ...

 

[Jim90]

AdoredTV, once again, confounding sceptics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCdsTBsH-rI

 

[joeblowsmynose]

I vote this is bunk. I'm an AMD fan, always have been, which is why I think we should be expecting less dramatic increases on these CPUs. AMD made huge waves in the last 2 years but it doesn't mean they can again increase core counts, and up to 16 cores on the AM4 platform? even with a 135w tdp, I'm just not sure that's possible with a concurrent increase of 1 ghz, that's a 20% increase in frequency compared to the last gen and 2x the core count, with a 12% increase in IPC per previous reports, this lineup just isn't plausible.

I also find this quite hard to believe, and I am also currently cheering for team red in most cases. AMD's plan was to focus solely on performance though for both Zen and Zen2, with Zen three bringing a strong focus on efficiency over performance, but still this level of potential performance jump seems far fetched for all but the most hardened fanboys.

As an overall strategy though, to provide far greater performing products for a far lower price than the competitor, would be the fastest way to steal customers from team blue. It seems that AMD actually has been focusing on providing more for less, while being less concerned about their profits, which actually fits this strategy.

So I'll be happy with refresh that can give me an 8 core Ryzen with ~4.7 clocks with good cooling and a slight uptick in IPC - it would still be a worthy upgrade from an R7 1700.

If these Ryzen 3 rumours end up holding water, I'll be smiling pleasantly ... I can always use more cores for the work I do.

 

[joeblowsmynose]

Prepare for your Power BIlls to go big time..

125 watts for a 16-core, 32 -thread processor? You do realize that Intel's current 16-core i9-7960X has a 165 watt TDP, right? Also, with a price of $1700 for that i9, I don't think electricity costs would be one's biggest concern. : P

Heck a 9900K can pull +250w under full load with MCE on.

Power bills won't go up on Ryzen 2 because the node is reduced so power per core goes down dramatically. Smaller node is way more about heat and power efficiency than it is about clocks (its also about reducing electron travel, but I digress). AMD had 5ghz with 8 (sortof) cores on 28nm ... that thing had a 250w TDP tho ...

 

[alan_rave]

It's really too good to be true - specs vs prices are insane. One week and we will know))

 

[JamesSneed]

I might be interesting in the 3600X for my gaming rig. At that cost of $229 I would likely even pay extra to get a binned version to OC it.

Prepare for your Power BIlls to go big time..

I said 3600x not 3800x Likely my power bills will go down tyvm.

 

[jimmysmitty]

Competition has forced significant advance by AMD in the last couple years. Intel has been able to cruise merrily along with status quo tic/toc updates. Anyone who thinks Intel won't respond to this is delusional.

The issue is that Intel's response has been with the 8th and 9th gen processors. 14nm is currently maxed out for them. 10nm will come out at the end of the year, but 1st gen 10nm is likely to perform worse than 14nm. It will likely take one or maybe even two 10nm updates to bring it to par with curent 14nm+++. Even worse, the first architecture to come out on 10nm will be Cannon Lake, which will probably be only a little better than Skylake.

In short, due to process and architecture constraints, Intel probably won't be able to seriously respond for at least 1 year, possibly 2.

Now, when Jim Keller finishes his new architecture and Intel starts producing those CPU's, AMD will probably be screwed.

So if Intels first 10nm will most likely perform worse than their 14nm how would a new 7nm part somehow perform vastly better than their older 12nm part? I mean that's a massive boost to base and boost clock speeds all while doubling the core count. Thats not a typical scenario for most anyone on a brand new process all while doubling core counts.

That is what makes this "leak" hard to believe especially if they are trying to keep the same socket, I have to imagine throwing even more cores into the same socket with the same memory channels and same communication lanes will start to bottleneck something somewhere. Unless they plan to use MCM designs and its not a single die I am not sure how they plan to clock that many cores that high and keep power and heat in check all while not bottlenecking some part of the CPU somewhere.

 

[MCMunroe]

I currently have a Ryzen 7 2700 in a small form factor case. It is running at 3.6GHz and has 8c/16t at 65W TDP and watts. I don't see a true replacement upgrade for myself sadly as the only 65W part is the:
Ryzen 5 3600 8c16t running at a 3.6GHz base clock. Yes, it offers 200MHz faster boost, but that is not with the investment when I am doing all thread loads not bursty gaming loads.

 

[s1mon7]

This is the AdoredTV leak from a month ago. It seems too good to be true but plausible. I would rather not have my hopes so sky high, so in the end we will see in just a week! Exciting times!

 

[JamesSneed]

Competition has forced significant advance by AMD in the last couple years. Intel has been able to cruise merrily along with status quo tic/toc updates. Anyone who thinks Intel won't respond to this is delusional.

The issue is that Intel's response has been with the 8th and 9th gen processors. 14nm is currently maxed out for them. 10nm will come out at the end of the year, but 1st gen 10nm is likely to perform worse than 14nm. It will likely take one or maybe even two 10nm updates to bring it to par with curent 14nm+++. Even worse, the first architecture to come out on 10nm will be Cannon Lake, which will probably be only a little better than Skylake.

In short, due to process and architecture constraints, Intel probably won't be able to seriously respond for at least 1 year, possibly 2.

Now, when Jim Keller finishes his new architecture and Intel starts producing those CPU's, AMD will probably be screwed.

So if Intels first 10nm will most likely perform worse than their 14nm how would a new 7nm part somehow perform vastly better than their older 12nm part? I mean that's a massive boost to base and boost clock speeds all while doubling the core count. Thats not a typical scenario for most anyone on a brand new process all while doubling core counts.

That is what makes this "leak" hard to believe especially if they are trying to keep the same socket, I have to imagine throwing even more cores into the same socket with the same memory channels and same communication lanes will start to bottleneck something somewhere. Unless they plan to use MCM designs and its not a single die I am not sure how they plan to clock that many cores that high and keep power and heat in check all while not bottlenecking some part of the CPU somewhere.

The 12nm process was only a tweak on Gloflos 14nm process which was built for low power not high performance. This process has an issue scaling up in frequencies as you can see with Vega and Ryzen as they are both super efficient until the clocks get to a point. This leak could be a tad optimistic but make no mistake they should see large frequency gains on TSMC's 7nm.

 

[yourusernameyour]

Wendell at Level1Tech is happy with the 16 core dual channel memory performance on his 2990WX now that he has found that the cause of low performance is not the CPU or Memory but Windows. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2LOMTpCtLA @21:30 onwards.

 

[alextheblue]

That's impressive. AMD is in the lead now!

We don't know that yet. These are rumors, not reviews.

but 1st gen 10nm is likely to perform worse than 14nm.

Based on what? I'd be shocked if it doesn't at least MATCH their best 14nm revision in terms of per-core performance, and the increased density + efficiency means they can stuff more cores in the same space if they want to.

With what? Roadmaps are done for month and yearsahead, you cant just come up with something from one month to the next...

They've got a full product stack constantly in development, and they can target and retarget as the market demands. They don't need to start from scratch. With that being said, yes, we have AMD to thank for a revitalized Intel. I'm definitely excited to see what Zen 2 brings to the table.

 

[james.buckley123]

Why is there no critical commentary about the possible validity of this 'leak' which is 99% likely <mod edit>. Actually, 100% <mod edit>. Tom's hardware is guilty of click bait.

 

[drivinfast247]

Why is there no critical commentary about the possible validity of this 'leak' which is 99% likely <mod edit>. Actually, 100% <mod edit>. Tom's hardware is guilty of click bait.

JFC!!! Did you even read the article? Literally the third or fourth sentence states these are leaks and should be taken with a grain of salt.

 

[lanceperez94]

Finally a 6 core with low power. I might upgrade this year or in 2020.
Ryzen3>i3

 

[fry178]

@valeman2012
go to guru3d and read up a little about real life power consumption (vs max tdp, which DOES NOT equal consumption), and how much its actually impacting power bills.
not even talking about the fact that most ppl (i know) that run a +6C/12T rig dont tend to use a gt720 for gaming, so just running a Nv instead of an amd card can easily make up for (any) higher use by the cpu.




so far all info is pointing towards much higher clocks, maybe going up a bit on cores as well,
and even if there will be more cores on AM4, they could implement a gaming mode thru bios to cut cores in half and increase base/boost clocks in the process.

and if intel had anything comparable, it would be out already.
they are at least 6-8 month late, by the time they finally get there 100the gen of a 4C/ with HT out (sarcasm mode: off),
amd is "waiting" with 3rd gen R.

at the end, it doesnt really matter how ryzen performs anyway. they all make money selling to companies, not the consumer.
even if intel completely f#$%@# up stuff (which in my view they did, as they have lots of money for R&D)
it will still have +50% of the market, an enough cash to recover the next few cycles.
and they still have the option to counter with price, and the blind consumer will still buy intel, to get those "2 fps faster than amd..."

 

[lilykalendar]

The more the cores/threads, the higher the frequency? Either it's a fake news or we will have 6 core CPUs capable of oc up to 6 GHz.
I can't wait...