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i doubt it

the lower ryzen chips will be run on lower end mobos

seeing how current ryzen can barely break 4ghz on top of the line mobos...

I dont think even the cut down 4 core versions will have much headroom




It would only see the death of the i3 at best
 


Its not $2.

Its every bit of cost that goes into having 2 different designs of motherboard with hundreds of traces removed from (or added to) the board running all sorts of different things. The reality is a brand's motherboards for a specific socket are identical when it comes to the PCB. Its what material they use for it, and whats attached to it (caps, chips, heatsinks, etc) that changes, but the layout and engineering behind it is the same. So now just to service a niche part of the market you're asking them to design a complete second PCB, and somehow make money on it considering the margins.

Look I realize it SOUNDS like its $2. But if you spend any time in the consumer electronics manufacturing space you would realize that $2 change could cost millions upon millions in development.
 


Same size die with 3/4 or 1/2 the cores active gives the cores more thermal headroom.

I think you're making far too big of an assumption. Those same CPUs will still work with higher end boards. No reason (or proof yet) that the CPUs won't work better.
 


Read my posts all of them from the beginning. I explained how it is $2 only. all your extra parts wont be needed on the cheapest motherboard when the extra pins are not connected at all and the extra layers needed for more pins are not needed at all , and other electronic parts as well.

and please dont assume I dont know what you are talking about. I do . and I know what I am talking about as well.

I dont want to repeat it , read my other posts from the beginning.
 


I read your posts. I read all the posts.

The only way I will believe your $2 figure is if you worked, in product engineering, for AMD, ASUS, ASRock, or any of the others. Otherwise, no you don't know what you are talking about. There is a major amount of engineering and other work that would go into having 2 version of the same CPU socket set.

On the simplistic side, in terms of physical parts difference, sure $2 per Motherboard, I'll believe it. But what you don't understand, and no, don't know what you're talking about, is how simple you think it is to get there.
 

Ryzen 4C/4C8T will most likely be based on a different die with only one CCX in it, similar to how Intel has a two core die for the Pentium and i3, and a quad core die for the i5, i7 and entry-level Xeon. Using the 8C16T die all the way down to 4C4T or possibly lower would be a horrible and costly waste of wafer space.
 

And then there would be the support nightmare of what features are available when putting what chip in what motherboard model based on the same socket. That alone could get stupidly expensive.
 


Thats a good point. Plus the chances of 4 out of 8 cores being bad enough to disable, would be a horribly inefficient process. However 4 cores will still generate less heat than 8, so in theory it should overclock at a minimum the same, if not better.



Exactly!
 


Tell me about the engineering part I am missing , I am waiting...

Since you too are not an engineer who works for AMD , Asus , Asrock .. we are at a draw . and you have no Right to tell me That I dont know what I am talking about. this applies to you as well .

I studied Enough Electronic courses At the university to know and understand the Motherboard when I look at it. Sure I did not work At Asus, etc , But I know the basics.

As for which CPU will fit on cheaper Motherboard ? well by reading on the BOX ... people are not that stupid you know .. Name the CPU Right people will know just from the number... like if the CPU starts with X it works with X chip set , and if starts with B , it works with B Chipset , Problem solved , If people are so dummy to need support AFTER this they will mistake even between LGA 1151 CPU and LGA 2011 CPU ....

and to keep things simple to you , look at current Motherboards that are on "B" chipset , just put a larger socket on the same layout same motherboard , and connect only the pins you need for it.. no extra cost.

and if you tell me , the original design ? simple , had AMD chosen this route from the beginning they would designed them both from the beginning. and they have 3 designs anyways .. they have the Naples concept ready. not a big deal to cut it down to desktop from the beginning and not NOW... From the start.

I will Email some engineers and get their replies soon. so hold on. lets make this Professional . maybe you will accept it more . give me few days.
 


No, I don't work for them, however I previously spent 6 years working at one of the largest consumer electronics products companies in the world. Currently I work at the company that makes the machines that Intel, Global Foundries, etc use to produce their chips. So yes you could say I work directly within this type of thing.

By telling me you took enough classes in school but offering nothing else, now for sure I know you have no idea how this all works. Multiple CPU dies, multiple motherboard designs, so on and so forth, for a company that can't afford such gambles. The basics don't cut it here. You took some classes, whoop-de-do, my dad owned a TV shop when I was a kid and I was soldiering circuts when I was under 10 years old. I don't pretend for one second to know how to build a motherboard, or to tell AMD, ASUS, etc how to run their business in this way.

As AMD FX processors have shown us, no people do not read the box or understand, as evidenced by all the people who come here with FX-8350 processors and 760G motherboards (Although in their defense SOME motherboards makes did not help to dispel the fact that they don't work properly together).

Feel free to contact whomever you like. You have proven here that you do not understand what goes into bringing a product like this to market, so continuing this argument will only lead us around in circles.
 

Many people don't even have a basic understanding of what different sockets mean, as the forum regularly gets questions about putting an Intel CPU on an AMD motherboard or vice-versa.
 
I used to do quite a bit of that, there was a trick to getting a 6x multiplier on some Intel boards that weren't made for it, along with a 75 MHz FSB 😀 IIRC it was a 2x to 6x conversion. Bump that office system from 166MHz to 450!

 
Well done AMD. The wait was long, but overall it was worth it.
Got my delivery of the Ryzen hardware and after playing around with it for two days i am nothing short of pleased.
The platform concept delivers on the promise - it is competitive and they can always spin it off in various directions (i.e. gaming) as needed in the future.
 
The memory is listed in the system description. Two modules, both single ranked and DDR4 2666 MHz. All other things were instable or not running.

Just ordered a few more mainboards, B350 included, and hope for improved BIOSes.
 
If you want an example of seemingly small changes costing a very large amount, just look at the Note 7. Obviously there was the fiery death issue, but ignore that for the moment. There didn't seem to be anything truly unique about the given hardware. It didn't have the largest battery or the densest capacity, it wasn't the thinnest device or the most power hungry. But adding or removing features from other products isn't a simple matter of mix&match.

The Q/A process has to be completely redone from scratch every time you change something and it's incredibly expensive to do right. It isn't enough to say "These components passed all the tests last time, we don't have to test them again for each product or if we swap one." Samsung learned that lesson in a very expensive way. First, when Note 7's began to fail. Then again when they rushed out replacements, only to have the replacements start failing. And then finally when they had to admit they didn't know what was wrong, and issued the full recall. And here's all the changes they're saying they've instituted to ensure it doesn't happen again:

http://www.samsung.com/us/explore/committed-to-quality/?CID=van-brd-brd-0119-10000141

But as far as I know, they're still doing all the battery Q/A in-house, whereas every other phone manufacturer uses independent labs...
 


Other than the very specific niche of running quad crossfire with single GPU cards, I think you are probably right
 


The true fanboys are still trying to prove Bulldozer or Netburst are the fastest architectures.

But seriously, your point is well taken. There doesn't seem to be anything left people won't get irrationally fixated upon. And then use it to justify the indefensible.
 
It's basically a poor mans workstation / virtual server CPU, which is where AMD was aiming for. They will introduce a cheaper 4/8 version soon enough with higher clocks (less TDP = higher clock ceiling) that will be more competitive in the "pure gaming" segment. This is an 8 core CPU capable of 16 threads, that's well into the high capacity server / workstation world and something home desktop users simply don't do.

Anyone wondering why AMD made this first, it's because their limited R&D staff can't reliably produce two separate designs at the same time. Instead they design and produce the biggest one to showcase the capabilities and then release cut down / iterative versions targeted at lower cost home markets.
 


I expect a 6c/12t part to be a binned 8c/16t die with one or two of the units failing validating testing. A 4c/8t part would probably be a new die though.
 
This is the first time I'm seriously considering building a 8-core PC (when things settle down, in 6 months or 1 year). Until now, all "many cores" cpu were worth too much for a hobbyist who doesn't even generate money on their systems, but with this it just got a lot more affordable.
Still, I will wait.
I don't want to buy any "beta" version like this seems to be (the same way I will never buy any alpha/beta game), will need to wait until everything is correctly ironed out.


But what really has me hooked is the prospect for some powerful APUs. If tyhey deliver, I can recommend my friends some inexpensive APU pcs that still have room for upgrading down the line with a dGPU.
 
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