News AMD Ryzen 9 5950X and 5900X Review: Zen 3 Breaks the 5 GHz Barrier

[spongiemaster]

Looks like the 3090 is starting to bottleneck the top CPU's already at 1440p.

 

[King_V]

Questions:

1. Why no 4k results in review?
2. Why did you switch around the games?
3. Why only eight games now when previously used nine?
4. Why 2080ti in testing rather than at least 3080? You can't find either 2080ti or 3080 in stores now?

99th %tile gaming averages 10700k overclocked beats both new AMD PBO CPUs at 1440p 107.1 vs 103.2 and 101.7 FPS.

5950x $799, 5900x $549 vs 10700k $349 at Microcenter.
All three need and were run with at least a Corsair H115i AIO which costs $169 @ Microcenter.
For the price difference you essentially cover the price of the 115i if you buy the 10700K.

We all know how much AMD fans like free coolers. LOL!

Correction for TH: "For now, there’s no " $$$ in the wallet "reason to "still" recommend an Intel Comet Lake processor on the high end" especially if you are a gamer/Office user and have a 2K or 4K monitor!

The OC 10700K and 10900K at 5.1 ghz are both faster than the AMD 5s.

We GET it, okay? You can't stand to see Intel lose its crown. We figured that out from previous posts in other threads whenever AMD improved on something.

We already KNOW you're going to look for any and every excuse possible to say that Intel is still the king of CPUs. You don't need to ask pointless questions that you know most of the answers to already, or make other pointless statements.

 

[g-unit1111]

Wow, those numbers are insane. I haven't been this excited about a CPU since the 3rd generation i5 and i7. I can't wait to put a 5900X on my X570 motherboard!

 

[rgd1101]

depend on what you doing, 5600x look good too

 

[btmedic04]

People need to come to grip with the fact this is going to be the new norm for any major tech release. This isn't going to affect just one company, it's going to affect them all.

The thing with "new normal" is its created when people accept abnormal behavior as normal. As consumers, we need to be furious about this sort of thing so more effective measures are put in place to limit this abnormal behavior. Will there ever be something in place that prevents all scalping? Absolutely not, however a regular consumer should not require a bot to make a purchase at msrp

 

[everettfsargent]

It will make absolutely zero difference since Intel is three core architectures ahead but cannot bring them to desktop due to process delays - at least not until an older process (ex.: 14nm+++++ for Rocket Lake) gets refined to the point of matching or exceeding the performance of the process the new cores (10nm/Sunny Cove) were intended for and make a back-port (Cypress Cove) viable.

You could just admit that you don't have a clue.. Intel has to slow down to speed up! The trade off is rather obvious, by pushing so hard on GHz at the 14nm node, Intel has cut its own throat at 10nm on the desktop, Alder Lake breaks that 14nm node mold BECAUSE it had to. Chiplets were always the right answer to heat dissipation issues. To bad AMD figured that one out 1st!

 

[everettfsargent]

The only reason it makes sense for Intel to back-port 10nm/Sunny Cove to 14nm/Cypress now is because Intel managed to optimize the heck out of 14nm faster than it could sort out all of the issues it ran into with 10nm.

Ice Lake was made on 10nm+ and 10nm+ still sucks. Tiger Lake is on 10nm++ which is closer to what Intel wanted its 10nm to be back in 2016. Rocket Lake will be on 14nm++++(+?) which probably beats 10nm+ and won't be limited by 25-45W mobile TDP, so I'm not particularly worried there.

Those look like mistakes to me and many many others.

But, I agree, I am not worried either, AMD has taken the lead because someone else had to, Apple, AMD, ARM and Nvidia and who knows what from China, so when Intel becomes the next IBM, I still have five better choices. You should be really super duper happy to have many many choices.

 

[Ncogneto]

The OC 10700K and 10900K at 5.1 ghz are both faster than the AMD 5s.

Dude, just give up the Intel CPU's got beaten down, and beaten down badly.

 

[gfg]

[QUOTE = "Soaptrail, publicación: 22047316, miembro: 1708207"]
¿Están guardando eso para una revisión de 56000XT? Escuché que el 5600XT todavía limpia el piso para AMD, así que necesito encontrar una revisión. Tech spot tiene uno, pero aún no tiene revisión, la próxima semana lo lanzará con otros artículos sobre Zen 3.
[/CITAR]

https://www.anandtech.com/show/1621...ive-review-5950x-5900x-5800x-and-5700x-tested

 

[gfg]

99th %tile gaming averages 10700k overclocked beats both new AMD PBO CPUs at 1440p 107.1 vs 103.2 and 101.7 FPS.

5950x $799, 5900x $549 vs 10700k $349 at Microcenter.
All three need and were run with at least a Corsair H115i AIO which costs $169 @ Microcenter.
For the price difference you essentially cover the price of the 115i if you buy the 10700K.

We all know how much AMD fans like free coolers. LOL!

Correction for TH: "For now, there’s no " $$$ in the wallet "reason to "still" recommend an Intel Comet Lake processor on the high end" especially if you are a gamer/Office user and have a 2K or 4K monitor!

eeeyyy you!!!... yesss youuu!!
Wake now!!
Intel right now is dead!!

 

[Soaptrail]

99th %tile gaming averages 10700k overclocked beats both new AMD PBO CPUs at 1440p 107.1 vs 103.2 and 101.7 FPS.

5950x $799, 5900x $549 vs 10700k $349 at Microcenter.
All three need and were run with at least a Corsair H115i AIO which costs $169 @ Microcenter.
For the price difference you essentially cover the price of the 115i if you buy the 10700K.

We all know how much AMD fans like free coolers. LOL!

Correction for TH: "For now, there’s no " $$$ in the wallet "reason to "still" recommend an Intel Comet Lake processor on the high end" especially if you are a gamer/Office user and have a 2K or 4K monitor!

But which CPU needs a Corsair H115i AIO more? Intel for sure.

There are two camps for AMD the thrify buyers who do not need the best and a free cooler is awesome for them! Then there is the top of line buyers who don't care. I think giving free coolers on the 5 series but no cooler on the 7 and 9 series was a smart move for AMD. But when i build a rig for a friend or family getting the stock AMD cooler makes me lean toward buying AMD.

 

[RodroX]

For anyone who was expecting Ryzen 5 5600X results, theres Linus video (spoiler alert: its not good for intel, not even for the Core i9 10900K, not even at most multithreaded works)

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZBIeM2zE-I


I guess what we saw with the leak in passmark (https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-9-5950x-zen-3-cpu-benchmarks), where the Ryzen 5 5600X was really close to the 10900K in multi-thread score became a reality, and even better than that at some workloads.

 

[TechLurker]

Early reviews are showing AMD's newest to be pretty much the go-to for any new build or for those already upgrading from older CPUs (Ryzen) or CPUs+boards (older Intel platforms), unless one is specifically using Intel-only features for their job or programs. It'll be interesting to see how much further the Ryzen 5000 series will develop once things like timings have been tightened and offsets tweaked.

And also, I wonder if these also have Ecoboost mode; I'd love to see just how good the 5900X and 5950X are on that scale.

 

[gfg]

Intel is preaching Moore's Law, AMD is executing it.

 

[TCA_ChinChin]

People need to come to grip with the fact this is going to be the new norm for any major tech release. This isn't going to affect just one company, it's going to affect them all.

I think at this point I've accepted it as reality. It's a shame but with the world as it is, I'm thinking this is probably going to remain the standard for another year or two.

 

[drivinfast247]

Local Microcenter had 1 5900x and 10+ 5800x in stock. Drove the hour there and they're all gone.

 

[rgd1101]

Local Microcenter had 1 5900x and 10+ 5800x in stock. Drove the hour there and they're all gone.

an hours. yeah. From the other post, look like people where line up at best buy, so.

 

[Phaaze88]

Bloody impressive... and they did it while STILL keeping good power efficiency.

Your move Intel...
I'd also like to see Userbenchmark BS their way out of this one,

We GET it, okay? You can't stand to see Intel lose its crown. We figured that out from previous posts in other threads whenever AMD improved on something.

We already KNOW you're going to look for any and every excuse possible to say that Intel is still the king of CPUs. You don't need to ask pointless questions that you know most of the answers to already, or make other pointless statements.

I've heard rumors that some companies 'employ' people to hang around forums to stir things up and paint their competition in a negative light.
Perhaps..?
It would be a surprise for Tom's Hardware to NOT have a few of these folks hanging around...

 

[rgd1101]

We have fan boy on both camp. But is one of those, don't feed the troll and they will go away.

 

[spongiemaster]

I've heard rumors that some companies 'employ' people to hang around forums to stir things up and paint their competition in a negative light.
Perhaps..?
It would be a surprise for Tom's Hardware to NOT have a few of these folks hanging around...

You can drop the conspiracy theories. AMD has never hidden the fact they do this:

https://community.amd.com/community/red-team

 

[Phaaze88]

You can drop the conspiracy theories. AMD has never hidden the fact they do this:

https://community.amd.com/community/red-team

I was being facetious, but ok?

 

[ajr1775]

Why was the I5-10600k, Tom's Top Pick for gaming CPU's not included in the charts?

Because the 5600X which directly challenges and beats it is not in this mix.

 

[ajr1775]

Yes, at 1440p with the particular configurations used for testing. And the stock Ryzen 9 5900X and Ryzen 9 5950X are faster than the overclocked i7-10700K and i9-10900K at 1080p.

This is why I put 'slower' and 'faster' in quotes. Normally, going from 1080p to 1440p will reduce the margin of victory in gaming performance but not swap positions in a meaningful way. Based on the 1080p standings, AMD's new Zen 3 chips are the "faster" CPUs for gaming. But at 1440p, other factors come into play so the "slower" Intel CPUs move to the top. Like I said, memory bandwidth and speed are almost certainly part of the story, and we may need to do additional testing to determine what the ideal speed (and timings) are for AMD's new CPUs. The 5950X couldn't do DDR4-4000 stably for these initial benchmarks, but the 5900X could -- but perhaps DDR4-3600 with tighter timings would be better than DDR4-4000 at looser timings?

What's clear is that for gaming purposes, there's no real difference between the fastest overclocked Intel chips, and the stock or PBO AMD Zen 3 chips. Minimum fps favors Intel slightly, but that's also a metric that's more prone to variance. Choice of motherboard, firmware, and other components can also impact performance, so the 'best' memory for AMD might not be as good for Intel, and vice versa. Actually determining which particular component combination comes out on top is of course a brutally complex task -- it's often what separates the top extreme overclocking results from each other.

Awesome. Bring on the 5600X review which is what 99% of us are buying. Getting my via UPS tomorrow. As for DDR I've leaned towards dual 3600 sticks with tighter timings and had more luck with that on Zen2. Hoping Zen3 is the same or better.

 

[Soaptrail]

[QUOTE = "Soaptrail, publicación: 22047316, miembro: 1708207"]
¿Están guardando eso para una revisión de 56000XT? Escuché que el 5600XT todavía limpia el piso para AMD, así que necesito encontrar una revisión. Tech spot tiene uno, pero aún no tiene revisión, la próxima semana lo lanzará con otros artículos sobre Zen 3.
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https://www.anandtech.com/show/1621...ive-review-5950x-5900x-5800x-and-5700x-tested

Thank you. I do not understand why Anandtech was seeing such drops for AMD in the charts at 1440 and 2160 resolutions, sometimes even the Ryzen 2 beat it. Tom's did not have that issue.

But the 5600X is the go to CPU for 95% of us!

 

[mdd1963]

"AMD's path from the bottom of the performance charts to the top was a hard-fought win, but while the company now holds the performance crown, it has left Intel a sliver of room to operate as the budget alternative. "

That's just funny, right there!