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goldstone77

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Price war? Muhuhahaha! I love it! How low can you go! Silicon is back on the menu boyz!
 
Looks like Threadripper and Ryzen 3 has finally be confirmed.

1920x - 12c/24t - $799
1950x - 16c/32t - $999

The showed off the 12c beating out the 7900x in CINEBENCH, but that makes sense though.

Not sure about the motherboard prices though. Also Ryzen 3 is coming out July 27th.
 

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Anandtech did a limited review of the $4000 EPYC 7601 against $8000 Xeon 8176. It's a very limited comparison, but EPYC is mostly beating the xeon, specially on FP benchmarks, while using less power (despite it's higher TDP).

Honestly I didn't expect EPYC to do so well in FP. A pity that EPYC missed recent January top 500, I expect to see some entries though in the coming November top 500.
 

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AMD Threadripper 1920X and 1950X CPU Details: 12/16 Cores, 4 GHz Turbo, $799 and $999
by Ian Cutress on July 13, 2017 9:00 AM EST

The AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1950X
"From what we do know, 16 Zen cores at $999 is about the ballpark price we were expecting. With the clock speeds of 3.4 GHz base and 4 GHz Turbo, this is essentially two Ryzen 7 1800X dies at $499 each stuck together, creating the $999 price (obviously it’s more complicated than this). Given the frequencies and the performance of these dies, the TDP is likely in the 180W range; seeing as how the Ryzen 7 1800X was a 95W CPU with slightly higher frequencies. The 1950X runs at 4.0 GHz turbo and also has access to AMD’s XFR – which will boost the processor when temperature and power allows – in jumps of +25 MHz: AMD would not comment on the maximum frequency boost of XFR, though given our experiences of the Ryzen silicon and previous Ryzen processor specifications, this is likely to be +100 MHz. We were not told if the CPUs would come with a bundled CPU cooler, although if our 180W prediction is in the right area, then substantial cooling would be needed. We expect AMD to use the same Indium-Tin solder as the Ryzen CPUs, although we were unable to get confirmation at this at this time."

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11636/amd-ryzen-threadripper-1920x-1950x-16-cores-4g-turbo-799-999-usd
 

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That review is wrong: the performance of Skylake and Broadwell Xeons was crippled by huge amounts like 40% and higher

https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/6n2sww/did_anandtech_cripple_xeon_results/

Those are David Kanter thoughts:

Skylake-SP actually scores about 1.38X higher than Naples on GCC. It's 1.58X higher on a per-core basis.

See https://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/res2017q3/cpu2006-20170627-47389.html and https://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/res2017q2/cpu2006-20170529-47127.html

So I'm pretty sure that something is horribly wrong in Johan's testing.

David

 

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Let us not forget that David Kanter was wrong about Ryzen anyway...
 

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Plus lets not forget Anandtech would be one of the last places on earth to cripple Intel anything.

Intel simply lost this time and are simplifying Amd's design by calling it glued together well at least its glued better then Intel's crappy useless TIM.

4000$ CPU keeping pace with a CPU twice the cost is just as sad as when the 1800x was doing it to the 6900k.

Now we have a CPU for 999.99$ that is a 16 core 3.4GHz-4.0Ghz turbo that gets 3062 in Cinebench while the comparable intel product scores 30% less. Platform with these products also has only 44 PCI-E lanes vs 64. IMO some gamers have a reason to buy Intel almost no one else does unless we are talking about specialized code or a CPU under 160$.

I thought Ryzen was rushed but i'm rethinking that after X299.

Ryzen 3 is interesting as well but i personally wish Amd kept the ryzen 5 series as 6 cores 12 threads and had the Ryzen 3 series be 4 cores 8 threads.

Price points be nice to hit $99.99 with the Ryzen 1200 but i doubt that. Probably more around 119.99$ for the 1200 and 149.99$ for the 1300X(note how it has a higher clock speed then the 1400)
 

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AMD Ryzen 3 1300X and 1200 Quad Core Processors Pricing Leaked – Landing On 27th July This Month
By Usman Pirzada
Jul 13
"AMD revealed some official details about the Ryzen 3 lineup recently and while these are the same as what we told you about, pricing information for the same has leaked out via Reddit. The source of the information is apparently a distributor in the user’s country. According to him, the Ryzen 3 1300X quad core CPU will retail for $129 and the Ryzen 3 1200 processor for $109.
AMD’s budget Ryzen 3 lineup gets initial pricing leak, hitting the shelves at the end of the month
In a live stream recently, AMD confirmed that the Ryzen 3 1300X will be a quad core die clocked at 3.5 GHz (base clock) with turbo up to 3.7 GHz. The Ryzen 3 1200 will be clocked at 3.1 GHz (with turbo up to 3.4 GHz). These are exactly the same specifications as their pro variants which the company has already revealed. We have also previously seen performance information of these chips and they are not to be taken lightly – they are certainly not HTPC-only processors.
The Ryzen 3 lineup will be quad core dies (2 CCX) with no SMT for a net total of 4 cores and 4 threads. Each core will retain the full 512 KB per core L2 cache but only half of the 16MB L3 Cache will be active. TDP of the chips will remain at 65W. Since the price of the Ryzen 5 1400 is $169 and AMD usually prices its chips in increments of $20, we expected the Ryzen 3 1300 and Ryzen 3 1200 to be priced at $149 and $129 respectively. However, according to this leak, the actual pricing will be $129 and $109 – which is absolutely insane value considering these processors pack some serious performance for the buck.

The Ryzen 3 1200 scores 7043 Points in their benchmark. To put things into perspective, an Intel i5 3570k at stock clocks scores 7151 points and an i7 2600k at stock clocks scores around 8221 points. This means that you are looking at a performance level that’s not just for HTPC builds, this is horsepower that can actually handle moderately heavy gaming loads. You can find the Passmark entry for the Ryzen 3 1200 processor over here."
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" have used a PC powered by the Intel i7-2600k for a very long time and granted the OC-ed performance of that processor is still out of reach for the Ryzen 3 1200, the mere fact that it can come close to its vanilla horsepower is very impressive. Considering you are looking at a chip that has SMT disabled and will cost roughly around $109, this is the epitome of the value proposition. Diminishing returns truly set in after this point. The performance/$ of the Ryzen 3 1200 is going to be exceptional and will constitute an excellent choice for budget builders.

Considering this is i5 level territory in terms of compute performance, the processor should easily be able to handle light to moderate loads in terms of gaming. While more CPU intensive games will probably not fare well, this is definitely a step up from the budget processors of old which were only really good for HTPC or NAS purposes. It remains to be seen what the overclocking potential, if any, of this chip is going to be since that is the one variable that will truly help drive sales of this particular SKU. All in all this is a damn good bang for the buck (or as good as it gets anyways) CPU for the average joe."
http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-3-1300x-1200-quad-core-processors-pricing-leaked-landing-27th-july-month/
 

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I agree with you 100%. Lack of APU's in any of the Ryzen line-up is disheartening. Why hasn't AMD added the APU? It would add tremendous value for systems knocking off the cost of a video card!
 

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A lot of users are saying where is the igpu ryzen 3 will be a failure as the I3 has a igpu and i have to say perhaps in a way they are right in terms of the OEM market. But i don't think Amd even cares since at this point half the chip is disabled when they have 90+% yields apparently on their 8 cores.

APU i hope they don't disable the SMT as it is basically free performance.

People here will surely recommend ryzen 3 for budget builds(500-600$) and to be honest i can see a lot of "gaming" PC's at bestbuy and newegg and so on using Ryzen 3 with like RX 550's-RX 560's they are probably already at the assembly line.

I personally think anything higher then a 1050Ti-RX 560 is to much and will start to bottleneck the GPU and you will see GPU usage drop. SMT does help ryzen quite a bit more then it does on Intel. Main reason the 1500X looks decent is over it.

Just to check i was watching a H.265 video on VLC and i forced it to run on just one core with and without SMT with SMT off it actually skipped and couldn't handle the video correctly with SMT on it could. Also makes me think a APU for $50-$60 that is just 2 ryzen cores and SMT will perform ok in day to day tasks.


In terms of performance as a Ryzen owner and i'm sure some here will be disappointed but i expect the Ryzen 3 to perform like a 2500K+ and i expect it to perform below a i5-4670K. At the same frequency i expect the Ryzen 1200-1300X to be between the 2500K and 4670K. Probably at 3.9Ghz i expect it to perform around a locked I5 4460.

If Amd kept SMT on it would have looked a bit better probably making it compete more with a 4670K at similar frequency's
 

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Word in the rumor mill for APUs is to expect 1 CCX fully active (4c/8t) + varying amount of NCU cores (yes Vega cores on Ryzen APUs). I am relatively sure the APUs are not here yet because Vega is about to Launch full lineup. APUs will be after that some time...I have no info on the date.
 

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If its the 16 core prices at $999.99 or just the X series that would be a massive deal since one doesn't have to worry about spending yet another 100+ on a cooler.

Seems like a lot of value basically even by Amd standards.
 

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It is a lot of value. Extra incentive to swing a few Intel loyalists.
 

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AMD Outlines New AGESA Memory OC Settings For Gaming, Explores Frequency Versus Timings
by Paul Alcorn July 14, 2017 at 12:45 PM
"It's a well-known fact that faster memory frequencies have a profound impact on Ryzen's gaming performance. Increasing Ryzen's memory frequency also decreases the Infinity Fabric's latency, which likely plays a big role in the increased gaming performance. However, memory timings and other factors also play a significant role in increased performance, so AMD penned a helpful blog post with its findings."
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"Memory timings are a complicated subject, as anyone who has dived into the more fine-grained settings can attest to. Timings can impact performance, stability, and compatibility, and motherboard vendors have adopted support for easy-to-use profiles, such as XMP, that simplify the experience with pre-defined settings. Though most AMD motherboards don't support XMP directly, some vendors have created AMD-equivalent settings, such as MSI's A-XMP, that simplify memory timing and overclocking adjustments into a one-click operation. But do those settings provide the maximum benefit?
According to AMD's testing, hand-tuned settings can yield incredible performance gains compared to the generic SPD/XMP settings. It may be a time-consuming process, but considering AMD's results, it's clearly worth it.
Perhaps most importantly, AMD found that memory timings have a greater impact on gaming performance than higher frequencies, which fuels a few ideas for our next round of Ryzen gaming tests."
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"AMD tested both modes, and in a nutshell, the company recommends that most gamers should disable BankGroupSwap. You should also disable Geardown Mode if the memory overclock is already stable with a 1T command rate. As with any settings, your mileage may vary."
"AMD's blog post is informative and well-written. It dives in a bit deeper on the topics, so we recommend you give it a read."
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-agesa-memory-bios,35012.html

Memory OC Showdown: Frequency vs. Memory Timings
Posted by rhallock Employee in Gaming on Jul 14, 2017 11:20:08 AM
https://community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog/2017/07/14/memory-oc-showdown-frequency-vs-memory-timings