AMD says, "Who needs Dell?"

Page 10 - Seeking answers? Join the Tom's Hardware community: where nearly two million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

Will COnroe give Intel the perf lead back?

  • Yes

    Votes: 7 41.2%
  • NO

    Votes: 10 58.8%

  • Total voters
    17
hey can you guys post your age cause you seem to be arguing about stuff and saying piddy is older and stuff, i figured piddy was late teens, and parlle was 20's but that seems to be wrong, so i'm 16, what are you guys. :?
 
ha i was right, pretty good eh piddy. lol 8)
well if your 17, how the hell does parlee work for HP inany kind of signifigant position if he's younger than you? :?
 
i work in the warehouse in a position called "internal recieving" i stock the warehouse with stuff that the warehouse makes in house, cd's, books, serial numbers and such. i never said i worked in a signifigant position, what comapny would give a teenager whos still in school any position thats considered important? i get paid hourly, 11 dollars an hour working 34 hours a week.
 
well first of all, for being in school, 34hrs is a hell of a lot.

second, somewhere before, you said matter of fact, "I work at HP, i know we don't screw people, and we buy dell cause they are backed up and are reliable."

if you work in receiving, how do you know matter of fact you don't screw people. :?
 
damn ur just like dvd, when u dont know what i said u just make up the rest, i never said hp doesnt screw people, i never said dell doesnt either. i said theres a lot of dell computers because dells are cheaper to buy than the hp ones. the entire place i work at has 300 employes and 200 of them are part time people that do stuff similar to me, the rest are programmers. we make stuff for cisco, bea, emc and a few others, as well as hp stuff. i dont know exactly since like i said im not very high up so i dont know whats going on, appearently u think i do though. sorry, i dont. i work 4 hours a day after school and 7 on sat and sunday, who cares if i work alot its good money.
 
like jesse said, would newegg stay up till 2 helping u fix ur computer?would they ship a replacement no questions asked within a day? no. neweggs service is very good but dells is much better

this was your response to saving $9000 on a computer from newegg that from dell cost $20000

so from this, you'd rather pay buy a 20000 computer to get dell's phone service than save 9000. That must be damn good phone service, what do they do talk dirty to you? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: I would roll my eyes forever but it would take too long. I use to think you were intelligent because you talked so confident, but now that i REALLY look at it, your a tard. 😛
 
that was an example of how good there service is, i wouldnt expect u to read the entire thread but maybe next time u should consider it before comming at me like u own the world. we established that dell servers are not only very good, but that usually if a company spends 20k on a server, they buy many of them, getting huge discounts.. possibly less than the 11k ones, and while still keeping the excellent customer support. it was also said that companys that buy or build a 20k server dont care about benchmarks, they dont want it to look good. they buy it so that it runs day and night without hickups, and when theres a problem dell is behind there product 100% at any time of day or night. buying the server from monarch or newegg would be cheaper sure, but then theyd have to build it and if anything ever failed or they needed an answer to a quick question they would be SOL. again, this was all said in this thread, maybe if u took the time to read ud realize that the thread has been over for about 2 pages its just dvd shit talking, getting owned by ches, then making up a bunch of lies to make himself look good. so id like to appologize, but ur about 10 hours too late, this thread is dead.
 
that was an example of how good there service is, i wouldnt expect u to read the entire thread but maybe next time u should consider it before comming at me like u own the world. we established that dell servers are not only very good, but that usually if a company spends 20k on a server, they buy many of them, getting huge discounts.. possibly less than the 11k ones, and while still keeping the excellent customer support. it was also said that companys that buy or build a 20k server dont care about benchmarks, they dont want it to look good. they buy it so that it runs day and night without hickups, and when theres a problem dell is behind there product 100% at any time of day or night. buying the server from monarch or newegg would be cheaper sure, but then theyd have to build it and if anything ever failed or they needed an answer to a quick question they would be SOL. again, this was all said in this thread, maybe if u took the time to read ud realize that the thread has been over for about 2 pages its just dvd **** talking, getting owned by ches, then making up a bunch of lies to make himself look good. so id like to appologize, but ur about 10 hours too late, this thread is dead.

I do own the world, I bought it from God for $17, a half-drank bottle of Fruit Punch Gatorade, and a bag of M&M's.

Parlee: "we established that dell servers are not only very good" - Say What? You're telling me Xeon is better than Opteron 64? You sir, are el smoketh the pipith.

Parlee, no...just no....Dell = PoS v2.0. No respectable company buys Dell for their "Customer Service", if you make a product right the first time, what is there to support? They can't push the button? Than that "company" doesn't need a server, they need a firm kick in the ass.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time
 
i guess u just wait for all the people who dont hate dell to go to bed so u can post shit about it while there asleep.. i dont research a shit load about this, i do happen to know that opterons kick the shit out of xeons, but like i said i doubt the guy whos buying the servers will care about the fact that opterons are faster, he knows the dell name, he knows there service (and its good no matter what u say, u, dvd and corvette are the only ones who disagree, and frankly anything with dvd on its side is wrong.)

i still dont get why u dont like dell, have u ever owned one? doubtfully. have u ever worked with a dell server? no. (neither have i though, but my work uses them and theyve never crashed yet, also the one at my school is an old dell and it keeps 200+ computers linked) i guess u arnt aware of what can happen to a computer when it gets a virus or some1 does somthing there not supposed to, since u own the world i can see why, if u break a computer u just take some 1337 homebuilt (because ud never take anything that wasnt homebuilt) computer... like everything else, computers too need maintance, and shit happens, things break. ur basically saying "i bought my car brand new, theres no reason to take it to a shop and get it checked up and have my oil changed"

i guess u dont realize that while this forum is swarming with enthusiests (including me) the other 98% of the computer world knows and loves dell, there sales prove it. u really cant argue and say the largest computer company in the world makes shit that breaks daily, or else who would buy it?

also u mean to say that ur homebuilt computer is 100% stable all the time? no downtime no restarts? even god couldnt do that. shit fucks up with computers, always user error though, so the less you do the less prone you are to problems, whether it be forgetting to plug in a fan and finding out that u didnt when ur computer is smoking, or deleting the windows folder thinking you dont need it, or changing some setting in the bios not knowing what it does and ur computer wont turn back on ( i did that :lol: )

im just going to stop replying to this thread now because its just "i hate dell because they suck" then not proving otherwise, u have been reading the entire thread, uve seen plenty of facts about how dell is ACTUALLY GOOD and u still decide to post the same thing over and over. do me and urself a favor and go to bed, because i sure as hell am
 
Well, hopefully you'll read this: I go to the Medina County Career Center in my town for Microsoft Certified Systems Adminstration. In there, we have over 100 Dell computers, all of which we rebuild and maintain. We also have 5 servers, Custom Built, Compaq, 2 Dell's and some old Pentium Pro. We also have over 20 Dell Laptops. And those computers in there are truly crap compared to the custom builds. My Instructor has told us of horror stories for the past 5 years how Dell has screwed him over. Not to mention, it took them 2 months to deliver our Rackmount Server Cage, and every day he called, they gave a Bullshit excuse as to why it was late.

I have experience w/ eMachines, Gateway, & HP/Compaq customer support. eMachines, they fixed the problem I had right away. Gateway, they accepted my Laptop to go in for repairs AFTER the warranty expired, now that is customer service. The Compaq, sent in for repairs, came back in 3 days, same with the Gateway. Dell has always screwed over my instructor for 5 years, though personally I have no experience with their customer support, but others around me tell me of their problems. So there buddy, I do work around many Dells a day, and these are not slow computers, they're all 3.4GHz P4's w/ 512MB PC3200 Memory. The Servers are P4's and there is 3 Dual-CPU Xeon servers in the Technology Department that run the school (no wonder everything is so slow).

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time
 
kinda uneven perforamnce, 3.4 ghz p4 with 512 memory, u do know that windows uses somthing like 200+ mb memory by itself right? and the thing about the horror stories is that it most likely was that, a story. i agree dell laptops are nothing special, id argue that there probably one of the worst computers dell has... i seriously doubt that gateway would accept a computer for repair after warrenty expires, im sure that not one company would do that, unless u personally knew the owner or somthing, its a loss in profit and they dont have to cover it anymore, so they dont. u sent a computer from compaq out and got it back in 3 days of sending it? what do u live next store to the compaq fixit center? or did u just bring it to best buy, even with overnight shipping it usually takes a while to "fix" a computer, if it actually had a real problem with it. i cant argue with u about emachine because i love them, we have a 400mhz celeron that has been running for like 7 years with not one problem, never had it break. we no longer use it so when we got our new dell i took apart the emachine, no joke u couldnt even see the heatsink from all the dust, and yet it was still running... loud, but it ran fine

u forgot to meantion the price, u could compare the 2 dells to the 2 custom built, but without the price range its like comparing an amd duron to a p4 extreme edition, the dells could be p2 from 10 years ago, and the custom built could be 2 days old. although at the end u said u have tri xeon cpu's, with what 256 mb memory?

once again, i am aware than opteron pwns xeon, theres no reason to compare speeds of a dell server to a custom built opteron server, there faster, the arguement was over customer support and such, dual dual core opterons would pwn any xeon day and night... but like i also said before, dells only mess up over a long time or a user error, im sure it was a user error since the servers are no more than a year old... an excuse like "it would even post" (like dvd's excuse) is not a valid reason, if it doesnt post its either the users fault or its overheating. and u cant blame dell for that
 
... if u have a crew that knows how to use computers, then the dells will run fine. but if u have some punk who hates dell for no reason go into work and go "oh dude u know u pulled out all the wires in the dell last night before u left, its broken now, customer support wont send us a new one" ud say "oh stupid dell, gone and broke again"
 
I don't like Dell.

Do I need a reason? Well, according to some of the past posts, I do.

I don't like Dell because I can build my own computer and troubleshoot / diagnose it just fine on my own. The only people I recommend Dell to are inexperienced users that need the constant hand-holding Dell can provide. Anyone that knows what they're doing doesn't need Dell's (sometimes inadequate) support. Why anyone with more than an ounce of computer knowledge would waste their money on one I'll never know.

Same is true for any OEM computer. Build it yourself. You'll be more satisfied in the end.

Now before you go whining "Have you ever owned one... derrr!?!!?"; no, I haven't. Part of the living I make involves repairing Dells on warranty. I see enough of them to know I really don't want one. Their laptops are the only possible exception for me... I actually do like their laptops... but you couldn't pay me to buy their desktops.
 
that was an example of how good there service is, i wouldnt expect u to read the entire thread but maybe next time u should consider it before comming at me like u own the world. we established that dell servers are not only very good, but that usually if a company spends 20k on a server, they buy many of them, getting huge discounts.. possibly less than the 11k ones, and while still keeping the excellent customer support. it was also said that companys that buy or build a 20k server dont care about benchmarks, they dont want it to look good. they buy it so that it runs day and night without hickups, and when theres a problem dell is behind there product 100% at any time of day or night. buying the server from monarch or newegg would be cheaper sure, but then theyd have to build it and if anything ever failed or they needed an answer to a quick question they would be SOL. again, this was all said in this thread, maybe if u took the time to read ud realize that the thread has been over for about 2 pages its just dvd **** talking, getting owned by ches, then making up a bunch of lies to make himself look good. so id like to appologize, but ur about 10 hours too late, this thread is dead.

i seriously doubt that dell would give a company over $9000 discount on each computer even if they bought a 1000.
 
kinda uneven perforamnce, 3.4 ghz p4 with 512 memory, u do know that windows uses somthing like 200+ mb memory by itself right? and the thing about the horror stories is that it most likely was that, a story. i agree dell laptops are nothing special, id argue that there probably one of the worst computers dell has... i seriously doubt that gateway would accept a computer for repair after warrenty expires, im sure that not one company would do that, unless u personally knew the owner or somthing, its a loss in profit and they dont have to cover it anymore, so they dont. u sent a computer from compaq out and got it back in 3 days of sending it? what do u live next store to the compaq fixit center? or did u just bring it to best buy, even with overnight shipping it usually takes a while to "fix" a computer, if it actually had a real problem with it. i cant argue with u about emachine because i love them, we have a 400mhz celeron that has been running for like 7 years with not one problem, never had it break. we no longer use it so when we got our new dell i took apart the emachine, no joke u couldnt even see the heatsink from all the dust, and yet it was still running... loud, but it ran fine

u forgot to meantion the price, u could compare the 2 dells to the 2 custom built, but without the price range its like comparing an amd duron to a p4 extreme edition, the dells could be p2 from 10 years ago, and the custom built could be 2 days old. although at the end u said u have tri xeon cpu's, with what 256 mb memory?

once again, i am aware than opteron pwns xeon, theres no reason to compare speeds of a dell server to a custom built opteron server, there faster, the arguement was over customer support and such, dual dual core opterons would pwn any xeon day and night... but like i also said before, dells only mess up over a long time or a user error, im sure it was a user error since the servers are no more than a year old... an excuse like "it would even post" (like dvd's excuse) is not a valid reason, if it doesnt post its either the users fault or its overheating. and u cant blame dell for that

Parlee, you're seriously a dumbass. I'm sure my instructor made up what he told us, definately. I spoked directly to a manager on the phone and he said since the problem was small (broken power button) that they would fix it. Once I got it back, I noticed they also replaced my LCD screen w/ a new one, for not 1 red cent. It doesn't take awhile to fix things when it's done right. Parlee, you do realize that in this Microsoft Lab, we also run something called LINUX and WINDOWS SERVER 2003. BTW, server doesn't take 4000GB of memory to run, even with DHCP, DNS, RARA Server, Terminal Server, etc. Do you even know what those are? Probably not. You need to stop posting, you're an idiot who doesn't know anything about anything but you post like you've had experience in the industry, get over yourself.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time
 
Parlee,

You most certainly can have a machine that is DOA. It is called in the industry "infant mortality" it has nothing to do with children though 🙂.

Most OEM vendors track a large number of metrics and report them "when positive of course". Infant mortality is factored into things like MTBF, MTBR and MTTR. All of these are important in the decision to purchase a piece of equipment (notice i did not say a PC or server but equipment). These metrics could be reported all the way down to a SMD on a board (not likely though).

Read THIS!

It covers alot of this information.

For those of you that are thinking only on the level of price for a product such as the cheaper Newegg.com server. There are more things to it than just the initial pricing of a product. There are warranty considerations (and yes they might break even the one put together by the best builders). There are considerations for parts turnaround. There are considerations for partnering.

The total cost of a product is NOT the initial purchase price.

COST of ownership = Maintainability (can the problem be found and reparied quickly)
+
SLAs or (Service Level Agreements usually spec'd as a percentage and usually as a four nines, for instance or 99.99% availability)
+
Downtime (this is either next to nothing or a great amount of money due to lost revenue).
+
The need to upgrade sooner rather than later (money is associated with this too since a greater or shorter longevity of what becomes your legacy systems)
+
BTUs (cooling requirements) yes these are important.
+
Power requirements.
+
Footprint (size of servers) 1U, 2U, a whole rack?
+
Training of the maintenance personnel on proper maintenance/upkeep procedures.
+
Possibly on site FEs or Field Engineers.
+
MTBF (costs money although not always apparent)
+
MTBT (costs money although not always apparent)
+
MTTR (costs money although not always apparent)

As you can see there are a whole lot of things to think of not just the price of the server. There are more areas than these to concen yourself with when making a decision. This is not your PC sitting next to you that could fail and only tick you off. These are revenue producing business systems that could possibly make or break a company and tick off millions of customers.

For the mom and pop organization that needs a single server maybe Dell is not the best option. It also could be the best option.

There is more to this arguement than it costs $$$$ vs $$$$$.

Dell especially in the enterprise market competes with the likes of HP, IBM, Sun.... All of these would be considered expensive at first glance. But for a lifecycle they could be extremely efficient and cost effective based on performance of the above stated items.
 
hey, why the hell is my sig sooo small now, and piddy's, and pengwin's, not sure who else.

did pengwin do it or the moderators. If the moderators did it, how big are they allowdedm to be
:? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :?
 
moderators

dunno why it wasnt big


anyways

dells are bough tby companies becuase they are cheap

2nd parlee, u work for HP supposedly

HP makes servers

Why use dell? it slike the US gov buying tanks from brits its unloyal and stupid

ur story doesnt add

but like i said dells are bought because they are cheap in masses
 
AMD says, "Who needs Dell?"

I`d say AMD would and could rule in the desktop and gaming sectors.

I see most Buisinesses and institutions using dell branded computers, It`s just everwhere!

One wrong move for Intel and they could lose the competition.
I`ve heard people say
"Oh Intel won`t screw up but will rule"
- Words of My Fellow Classmate (An Intel Fanboy)

But anyway if Intel screws up components of Clovertown (server processor 4-core) and those other Intel codenamed pentiums then AMD will take
over and Dell will possibly lose customerrs and clients which would probably settle for AMD rigs.

SO WHO`S WITH ME ON THE AMD BANDWAGON?

(INFO FOR NOOBZ AND/OR THOSE WHO WANNA LEARN ABOUT AMD AND INTEL):
The statement is true since most enthusiasts build their own customized pcs with at least 80% of the time with an AMD processor!

Why do you think enthusiasts choose AMD over rival INTegrated ELectronics (INTEL)?

`Cause they perform well, they`re the gamer`s choice (ex. Why did SLi come to AMD way before the Intel version?) and were the first to implement 64-bit technology!

Ever wonder how AMD won against Intel?

Simple with the Athlon which gained them fame!

You know why they`re competitive?

`Cause if you read on Wikipedia.org you can see that AMD reverse engineered the Intel processors using the clean room approach.

You wanna know why Intel went 64-bit?

`Cause of AMD when they licensed the microcode to Intel which implented it in it`s line of processors after the AMD.

I MAY BE AN AMD FANBOY BUT SO ARE MY OTHER FRIENDS WHO RELY ON AMD.

I Have OWNED INTEL PCs AND I STILL DO (LIKE THE XSCALE IN MY PPC) AND OWNED AN AMD K5; K6 and ATHLON XP ; DURON BUT HAVE NEVER OWNED OR USED AN AMD ATHLON 64 SYSTEM.

BUT ALL I CAN SAY IS INTEL AND AMD ARE MADE BY PEOPLE WHO WORKED TOGETHER SUCH AS GORDON MOORE (INTEL) AND ROBERT NOYCE (INTEL) AND POSSIBLY JERRY SANDERS (NOT SURE BUT AMD)

SOURCE: EN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG/Wiki/AMD
EN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG/Wiki/Intel