AMD states K8L aka Barcelona faster than all Intel cores

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“With our next-generation architecture we expect to continue our track record of delivering industry-leading performance. When you combine this with 4X4 you change the rules of the game, and provide an enthusiast-class platform that is upgradeable, scaleable and unparalleled in terms of performance.”
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What would you expect AMD to say?

If they said "K8L will be slower than Kentsfield", do you think the typical person will go out and buy K8L?

You should also update the title to say Kentsfield or Core 2 Quadro, not Core 2 Duo. If the quad core K8L cannot beat a dual core Core 2 Duo, then that would certainly be an embarassment.
 
What would you expect AMD to say?

If they said "K8L will be slower than Kentsfield", do you think the typical person will go out and buy K8L?

You should also update the title to say Kentsfield or Core 2 Quadro, not Core 2 Duo. If the quad core K8L cannot beat a dual core Core 2 Duo, then that would certainly be an embarassment.
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Exactly, AMD is saying exactly what people wanna hear. Kinda like planting the seed. I like Barcelona. cool name. 8)
 
AMD saying their new cores beats INTEL's new cores in performance

is ALOTTTTTTTTT better than going right to POWER CONSUMPTION numbers

leads me to believe they are either right...or believe they are right that BARCELONA is faster thant the core 2 architechture
 
Till I see a actual benchmark and testbed that comes out with this conclusion, I ain't believing a word of it.
Anybody can say that the thing that I haven't made yet is faster than the thing that you've made already. You my friend, fell for simple marketing.
 
LOL! I love how these fanboys were all over the intel core 2 idf benches as being fraudulant and are now gonna just take AMD's word for it that Barcelona beats all intel offerings without a single benchmark or shred of proof.

I love it!
 
well didnt intel say CORE 2 would be much faster than the K8

they were right


AMD may be doing the same thing


ofcourse we all need scores b4 anyone takes any stock in it...

but i like the tone of confidence from AMD in light of the beatign CORE 2 put on them....
 
AMD saying their new cores beats INTEL's new cores in performance

is ALOTTTTTTTTT better thatn going right to POWER CONSUMPTION numbers

leads me to believe they are either right...or believe they are right that BARCELONA is faster thant the core 2 architechture
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Okay, based purely on your speculations you will have a 50/50 chance of being right or wrong.

In other words, nothing has changed.

Numbers matters not gossip.
 
Yes Intel did say that but as we examined the architecture we saw that it was possible. Besides we took it with a rain of salt. We were all reeling off of Netburst.
K8L has nothing that we can base it being faster on. Since there is a ES of the Kentsfield core thats already been tested and documented as ungodly and downright unholy, and coupled with the news and marketing thats been coming from AMD in the past couple of days makes me take this with a even bigger grain of salt.
If its truely is faster than Kentsfield and what ever else Intel has in its bag of tricks, I'll eat cow. And pig. And sheep.
But until then.
 
You can't call me an Intel fanboy if I have three AMD computers not including this laptop I'm calling your BS on right now.
I'm not crying, just stating fact.

@holdenmcgroin
Its not news, its marketing. News has to have proof.
 
With our next-generation architecture we expect to continue our track record of delivering industry-leading performance. When you combine this with 4X4 you change the rules of the game, and provide an enthusiast-class platform that is upgradeable, scaleable and unparalleled in terms of performance.
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If you read that carefully, all it is actually saying is that an 8-core AMD system (i.e. quad-core, dual-socket) will be substantially more powerful than any 4-core Intel system. This isn't exactly Earth-shattering news.
 
But with K8L aka Barcalona being a sever platform shouldn't we be comparing it to the quadcore Xeons?
With Server platforms consiting of dual or more sockets you could compare a 8 core Barcalona setup to a dual quad core Xeon setup. Besides the point I'm trying to make its that this is merely hersay with no proof to back it up.

Example
"Ferrari says new car not in production yet will be faster than Bugatti"
Give me proof.
 
Technically we can't compare Barcalona to any chip. That includes P4, C2D or Kentsfield. It doesn't even compare to any AMD chips. Its a platform, like LGA 775. Thats why they called it K8 Revision L.
 
Everyone knows K8L is gonna smoke Intels quads. Its native quad, Intels are only 2 core 2's on die.
Now they are already trying to pull the power per watt crap they so adamantly ignored when AMD had the lead in it.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but:
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Does that look like four native cores to you?
 
It's likely it will be faster in terms of IPC than Core 2, they can't exactly release something inferior can they! What will probably happen when Barcelona comes out is there will be another clock speed war. This is where imo the overall winner will be determined. We know Intel has no problems going to 3.8GHz in terms of process since they did it with the P4's - maybe they could even hit 4GHz on 65nm, and architecturally there isn't a problem either as people have comfortably gotten past that. AMD on the other hand has never broken the 3GHz barrier yet, and if it remains that AMD is stuck at 3 or 3.2GHz with Barcelona vs a 3.8 or 4 GHz Core 2, Barcelona is going to have to be 20-25% faster per clock than Core 2 to keep up, which seems pretty unlikely.
 
Funny how the Intel fanboys are crying already over a stupid article.
Everyone knows K8L is gonna smoke Intels quads. Its native quad, Intels are only 2 core 2's on die.
Now they are already trying to pull the power per watt crap they so adamantly ignored when AMD had the lead in it.

Intel fanboys should rejoice, this means competition and this means lower prices. If Intel continues to hold the lead, you will see prices continue to rise on their higher end parts, eventually eclipsing the prices we have seen for EE's and FX's. ($1200+)
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LOL amd will not beat Intel in quads and noone is crying we are laughing at AMD :lol: HAHA

and yes i am glad amd exists because if they didnt, A intel could charge anything for proceesors and B, we cant pick on you noob amd fanboys!
 
Mrs,

I am disappointed in you.

You forgot to use the correct Horde terms. Let me quote it for you here:

"Kentsfield is not that great because it is just two Core 2 Duos "glued" together. That means it is not a true quad core like the K8L"

Next time you go making a horde remark please use the quote above. I would hate to see you get banned from the Horde because of something so trivial.

Remember the "glued" part is critical to this statement. It infers that Intel is using two procs actually glued together.

If you are going to make pointless Horde comments you should at least get them right. Sheeeeeeesh I have to do everything for you.
 
Funny how the Intel fanboys are crying already over a stupid article.
Everyone knows K8L is gonna smoke Intels quads. Its native quad, Intels are only 2 core 2's on die.
Now they are already trying to pull the power per watt crap they so adamantly ignored when AMD had the lead in it.

Intel fanboys should rejoice, this means competition and this means lower prices. If Intel continues to hold the lead, you will see prices continue to rise on their higher end parts, eventually eclipsing the prices we have seen for EE's and FX's. ($1200+)
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first, who cares if it's native or not? just because all 4 cores can communicate directly with each other doesn't necessarily mean the performance will be better. that's just naive. it's all based on design. you might as well say that if K8L is clocked higher then kentsfield it will be faster, simply because it's clocked higher. same logic.

second, since when does a cpu with 4 cores not get to be called "true" quad core because it's not designed a certain way. if the performance is there, what's to say making it native would increase performance all that much more? kentsfield performs very well, so what's the beef with how they did it.

and in terms of the article, "industry leading performance" is a pertty vague statement imo. they can easily say now that their cpus (A64, X2, etc.) provide "industry leading performance", and it wouldn't necessarily mean they're faster. they could be deriving their statement from select performance scenereos where their cpus dominate, and then pull out that statement. I wouldn't put it past AMD.

as a disclaimer I do think K8L will perform as well or better than core 2. it's just that the way some people react to AMD news is ridiculious comared to how they react with intel news. hypocrisy much?
 
Hypertransport is AMD's ace up their sleeve (or so they claim). It is going to allow direct link for many different modular components to the bus. This seems like it will leverage AMD for the server, rather than consumer, market. However, they might make something available for average consumers (gamers). This would be interesting to watch. If the VIA Cyrix chips can beat top of the line Pentium/AMDs by using co-processors for certain tasks (such as packet transfer/encoding/decoding), applying this to a 2 gig Hypertransport bus shows a lot of potential. This ability is why the Opterons are being used to link Cell Processors in that New Defense Department supercomputer.
 
second, since when does a cpu with 4 cores not get to be called "true" quad core because it's not designed a certain way.
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Thats like saying a car with 2 V6's is the same as a car with a V12. Not saying that the 2 V6 car would be slower, just that it is not the same because of the design.
 
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