thematrixhazuneo
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Dont know if this is a repost or not
http://www.fabtech.org/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=1387&Itemid=2
http://www.fabtech.org/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=1387&Itemid=2
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thematrixhazuneo
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humm...not really sure what you're trying to express
Not trying to do anything but possibly add more info to the "65nm gossip"
Wasnt sure wether this liink was stated or not. :?
MU_Engineer
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I agree. I think that in many respects, Windows has sent the progression of software backwards. They are so entrenched that they are not forced to compete and since real competition requires innovation, MS has to do little to nothing to their products. Their only efforts are in entering new fields, such as the cell phone arena, digital music/video, and search engines. And there is a long history of MS sitting on its duff:
1. Windows 95, 98, and Me are very similar, but yet there are 5 versions of those OSes: 95, 95 OSR2, 98, 98SE, and Me. They all ran on a DOS base, and apart from USB support, a newer GUI, restore points, "32"-bit color support, and DVD drive support, there is little to differentiate any of them from the other.
2. Office 97 is 95% of what Office 2003 is, save for an older GUI. Office 98, 2000, and 2002 are even less different. And 97 wasn't that different from Office 6.0...
3. XP is to Windows 2000 as Me was to 98SE. A re-skinning and a couple whiz-bang wizards.
4. And IE...we all know how the dev team just stopped once 6.1 was out, until Firefox stole a tenth of the market.
And also, it's been five years since the last consumer OS from Microsoft even shipped (I don't count Windows Server 2003 as it is generally installed on servers and XP x64 is both a bastard OS like 3.11s and not *really* different from XP other than it is 64-bit.) Most other companies would be dead in the dirt if they did not ship a new version of their main product but every 5 years. Even car makers refresh almost all of their models in that time, and cars age a heck of a lot better than OSes.
Notice that almost every other OS vendor* ships a new version every 6-18 months: Red Hat, Apple, Novell, $FAVORITE_LINUX_DISTRO. *Except Debian, whose 2-3 year cycle is much slower than the other *nixes, but still a lot faster than MSFT's. Why do the other vendors do this? Because they have to bring new tech to market and can't just sit on their monopoly of an installed base.
1. Windows 95, 98, and Me are very similar, but yet there are 5 versions of those OSes: 95, 95 OSR2, 98, 98SE, and Me. They all ran on a DOS base, and apart from USB support, a newer GUI, restore points, "32"-bit color support, and DVD drive support, there is little to differentiate any of them from the other.
2. Office 97 is 95% of what Office 2003 is, save for an older GUI. Office 98, 2000, and 2002 are even less different. And 97 wasn't that different from Office 6.0...
3. XP is to Windows 2000 as Me was to 98SE. A re-skinning and a couple whiz-bang wizards.
4. And IE...we all know how the dev team just stopped once 6.1 was out, until Firefox stole a tenth of the market.
And also, it's been five years since the last consumer OS from Microsoft even shipped (I don't count Windows Server 2003 as it is generally installed on servers and XP x64 is both a bastard OS like 3.11s and not *really* different from XP other than it is 64-bit.) Most other companies would be dead in the dirt if they did not ship a new version of their main product but every 5 years. Even car makers refresh almost all of their models in that time, and cars age a heck of a lot better than OSes.
Notice that almost every other OS vendor* ships a new version every 6-18 months: Red Hat, Apple, Novell, $FAVORITE_LINUX_DISTRO. *Except Debian, whose 2-3 year cycle is much slower than the other *nixes, but still a lot faster than MSFT's. Why do the other vendors do this? Because they have to bring new tech to market and can't just sit on their monopoly of an installed base.
computertech82
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What a completely moronic comment. Obviously burning up cpus (AMD or intel) is by stupidity not design. You should grow some brain cells and find the truth. It's INTEL that recalled cpus, not once but TWICE. One for overheating (burning up). AMD has NO cpu recall. I'd go with the company that does NOT have recalls on cpus. AND it's NOT Intel setting the bar. We'd still have P2 cpus if it wasn't for AMD pushing it. AMD is the leader for years now since the first Athlon. That says it all. Intel is the one trying to catch up. And Microsoft does have us in the STONE AGE, again you are showing a moronic comment. Microsoft buys advances and lets them die. Their so-called-advance is not even close to the others they bought out and crushed.
You really should learn history before making comments.
The new Intel might give them a lead (first time in years now), but that may not last long. the AM2 cpus will be out first and have a good 6 month lead to advance. Intel already has said the new cpus are very limited this year, and will really be out next year.
And note, I don't care by name, I care for history, and current performance. I go by how good (performance AND price) a cpu is, a name doesn't make a cpu.
Panzerzero
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I agree to a point. If MS hadn't have shown people you can make money off this we wouldn't have all the new PC toys we all fight about on TGF. There would be no Intel Fans or AMD Fans. Only MAC lol, but honestly as any company grows larger, creative shrinks. Look at Hollywood all the bad movies they have SNAKES ON A PLANE.. I think I have proved my point rushing is bad and Intel keeps on doing it AMD slowed down built plants and is releasing after Intel. Same with MS they have always been rushing new things down your throat but now we see a diff. approach. They have put a hold on a OS costing them millions a day. Yes millions.. Bill can't get his orbital death star this year. We owe a lot to the like of Intel and MS so lets say they did their part in starting the fire.
okay now break into song: "we didn't start the fire..."
Sorry just had to say that.
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The Intel Aloha Plant was home to Fabs 3, 4, 5, 15, and .5. Fab 3 was converted into Fab 4, whose floor space is still there but no longer in use. The .5 fab is the original fab 5 converted to the same process as 15, basically extending out the floor space for Fab 15 (hence the .5 name). A “clean link” (a large hallway that maintains the clean room environment) was installed between the two fabs. Fab 15.5 is now being converted to the C4 process, which is a step in chip making after the chip has been produced on the wafer, but the wafer is still on one piece. So there are 3 fab spaces at Aloha, two of which have the “clean link” between them.
~Keith
clue69less
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In the first place, my post clearly isolated the comment of yours that I was replying to:
"I could do as much, just about as fast on my 7mhz Amiga 500 as I can on my 2ghz AMD system ."
Now, sorry, but your Amiga was no where near as fast as your 2GHz AMD. You'd have to do your best to compare apples to apples if you want to make a real speed comparison but the bottom line is: No.
But there have been improvements in software over the years. Compare Windows 95 to XP, for example. Can your Amiga print a 1GB digital image? No? Is it limited by software, hardware or both? These are not even reasonable comparisons to try to make because it's apples and oranges, and some pretty dried up oranges at that.
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Yawn.
All you AMD fangirls can keep talking about your FX-whatever. So far AMD’s best response is:…..”Yeah but DDR2 has terrible latency.” I’m sure those millionths of a second are really hurting performance. You all spew crap about Intel’s heat. On of my best friends is die-hard AMD loyal. He wouldn’t admit defeat if he was the last AMD believer on the planet. (I’m not saying anybody has won anything by the way). He keeps telling me how Intel chips run so hot, burn themselves up all the time. He is an IT guy and claims that in his employer’s company with about 100 PCs he has 2 heat related failures a day. I asked: really? He says yes! So I ask: that means in a normal year you replace ALL of the computers 2.5 times per year? Of course now he realizes he has been caught with a mouth full of AMD but he decides to stick to his story. I asked him a few times to take some pictures of these burnt up P4s or bring a few home. He won’t, says he can’t. The only burnt up CPUs at his house happen to be AMD…..hmm interesting. And he is reloading his OS every few months because his install keeps getting corrupted?????hmmm. The hottest machine I have EVER owned is the FX55 A8N-SLI POS sitting in my closet. I put it away and went back to my much older Northwood P4 because it loaded faster and played better. And, during a routine boot, my RAID 0 array on the same machine decided it wasn’t going to work…. TWICE. I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that everyone I know running AMD is always reinstalling the OS and I just don’t know what I’m talking about.
I’ll keep enjoying my D920 @ 4.2 GHZ and 27 degrees on my 1920X1080 display. BTW, that 27 degrees temp was running 3 windows of PRIME95 torture test for 6 hours, followed by 3DMARK05. The average processor load @ 60%. I only saw 100% load for a second. I can’t seem to maintain 100% load on this supposedly weak and inefficient processor.
For me: I don’t care about AMD or Intel. I just want the best chip possible for a reasonable amount of money. Did I mention I only paid $250 for my chip? You can keep your 2-3% of GAME ONLY performance advantage for the 300% premium in price. I’m done burning money on $1000 cpus. It takes me 2-3 8 hour days to earn that much.
Spew on AMD fangirls!
P.S. http://www.isuppli.com/news/clt/ THAT’S THE REAL NEWS Looks to be a “Buy” on Intel and a “Sell” on AMD
All you AMD fangirls can keep talking about your FX-whatever. So far AMD’s best response is:…..”Yeah but DDR2 has terrible latency.” I’m sure those millionths of a second are really hurting performance. You all spew crap about Intel’s heat. On of my best friends is die-hard AMD loyal. He wouldn’t admit defeat if he was the last AMD believer on the planet. (I’m not saying anybody has won anything by the way). He keeps telling me how Intel chips run so hot, burn themselves up all the time. He is an IT guy and claims that in his employer’s company with about 100 PCs he has 2 heat related failures a day. I asked: really? He says yes! So I ask: that means in a normal year you replace ALL of the computers 2.5 times per year? Of course now he realizes he has been caught with a mouth full of AMD but he decides to stick to his story. I asked him a few times to take some pictures of these burnt up P4s or bring a few home. He won’t, says he can’t. The only burnt up CPUs at his house happen to be AMD…..hmm interesting. And he is reloading his OS every few months because his install keeps getting corrupted?????hmmm. The hottest machine I have EVER owned is the FX55 A8N-SLI POS sitting in my closet. I put it away and went back to my much older Northwood P4 because it loaded faster and played better. And, during a routine boot, my RAID 0 array on the same machine decided it wasn’t going to work…. TWICE. I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that everyone I know running AMD is always reinstalling the OS and I just don’t know what I’m talking about.
I’ll keep enjoying my D920 @ 4.2 GHZ and 27 degrees on my 1920X1080 display. BTW, that 27 degrees temp was running 3 windows of PRIME95 torture test for 6 hours, followed by 3DMARK05. The average processor load @ 60%. I only saw 100% load for a second. I can’t seem to maintain 100% load on this supposedly weak and inefficient processor.
For me: I don’t care about AMD or Intel. I just want the best chip possible for a reasonable amount of money. Did I mention I only paid $250 for my chip? You can keep your 2-3% of GAME ONLY performance advantage for the 300% premium in price. I’m done burning money on $1000 cpus. It takes me 2-3 8 hour days to earn that much.
Spew on AMD fangirls!
P.S. http://www.isuppli.com/news/clt/ THAT’S THE REAL NEWS Looks to be a “Buy” on Intel and a “Sell” on AMD
clue69less
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Right, Yawner. I have an AMD entering it's 6th year. Zero OS reinstalls. Extremely stable machine for a long, long time. At least you seem to understand that you don't know what you are talking about.
Intel did you the favor by recalling and AMD left you hanging by not recalling. My neighbors got left to go get another cpu out of pocket but Intel gives you a replacement.
So tell me, are you using any of Microsoft software? Stoneage my( I leave this up to your imagination)
Crawl back in your hole and smoke another joint!
So tell me, are you using any of Microsoft software? Stoneage my( I leave this up to your imagination)
Crawl back in your hole and smoke another joint!
chunkymonster
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blah, blah blah, blah...you post this schmaltz and dare to close with...
Oy Vie! Spew on, yourself...douchebag...
Hey! If it's just sitting there in the closet taking up space, can I have it?! Please?! I'll even pay for shipping!
Also...
What?! Yes, you don't know what you're talking about, it couldn't be anymore obvious. I've been running on the same XP install on my dual opty for over 2 years now. The CPU has had nothing to do with why I've ever needed to do a re-install...viruses, spyware, and negligent upkeep certainly, but never just because of I was running an AMD...or Intel, for that matter.
PS - Spew on Intel Fangirl!
Hahaha...fangirl, that's funny...hahahaha!
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Would anyone agree a computer in the closet would be the dumbest idea in the World. Intel or amd going to get Hot.
Who agrees with me dumb people never Learn. Closet - airflow = Heat. Unless you want a heater
Who agrees with me dumb people never Learn. Closet - airflow = Heat. Unless you want a heater
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So, intel has years producing SOI tech transistors? that's news...
Really though, a 65nm shrink only improves the economics of scale, so it gives chance to get cheaper A64's. Also, it opens up headroom for an Architecture that has faced a quite overclocked 65nm architecture and come out shining. When it comes to the Conroe, well new architectures have that nice characteristic of kinda shining by their own merit, let alone with the advances intel has come up with on it's camp, from going from BigPowerEater (good answer to heat water on winter 😛) to SlimPowerSaver and gain performance (TBD) over it's previous generation. That's a step in a good direction.
On the other hand, we don't know what AMD has up it's sleeves, they have revealed very little so far. Rumors of DDR3, rumors of a L3 Cache to fight the increased latency of DDR2, heck they haven't showed much more than a "plataform update". For me, it's a wait and see situation. Let the players play, and the buyer's pay 😛
Really though, a 65nm shrink only improves the economics of scale, so it gives chance to get cheaper A64's. Also, it opens up headroom for an Architecture that has faced a quite overclocked 65nm architecture and come out shining. When it comes to the Conroe, well new architectures have that nice characteristic of kinda shining by their own merit, let alone with the advances intel has come up with on it's camp, from going from BigPowerEater (good answer to heat water on winter 😛) to SlimPowerSaver and gain performance (TBD) over it's previous generation. That's a step in a good direction.
On the other hand, we don't know what AMD has up it's sleeves, they have revealed very little so far. Rumors of DDR3, rumors of a L3 Cache to fight the increased latency of DDR2, heck they haven't showed much more than a "plataform update". For me, it's a wait and see situation. Let the players play, and the buyer's pay 😛
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chunkymonster
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I can just see you now....Chunkymonster in a skirt. Excuse me while I go hurl.
I'm concerned that you're picturing me in a skirt? Please don't do that anymore. That's just creepy. For all parties concerned, leave your latent homosexuality at the Forumz sign-in...please...
Also...
Not sure what this is in referrence to. But that's okay, you don't seem to make much sense anyway. And, you've got to stop being so presumptuous. BTW...How many AMD's your "shops" get in for repairs this week? 100? 200?
This thread has totally jumped the shark...
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