AMD to Now Only Update Drivers 'When It Makes Sense'

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[citation][nom]A Bad Day[/nom]Less useless driver installations=less time wasted=more time spent gaming[/citation]
Isn't wasting time gaming's main objective?
 
[citation][nom]amk-aka-phantom[/nom]In the "Read the comments on the forums" view.[/citation]

We shouldn't have to go somewhere else to edit our post.
A simple [EDIT] icon would suffice.
 
I love my Radeon card, but I hate the clunky UI for Catalyst control center. In this regard, I think Nvidia is much better.

I'm glad they decided to go with the not-so-frequent route with drivers, it gets annoying updating the drivers so often.
 
[citation][nom]drwho1[/nom]sorry I meant "it actually does makes sense"dammit were is the EDIT Toms?[/citation]

Click on read comments on the forums at the top of the comments. tomshardware.com does have an edit button.
 
[citation][nom]rglaredo[/nom]Well it's official ...AMD will no longer be viable for pc building for either chips or gpu's .......[/citation]

Actually, the exact opposite is true. The only official thing here is that AMD is now saying that they intend to do what Nvidia does with drivers. Do you dislike this strategy? Well then I guess you consider Nvidia to not be viable for gaming either. Sucks to be you since you can now not only not play on Nvidia without being an idiot, but also AMD too. No high-end gaming for you.

Also, since even the FX-4100 is good for up to about a Radeon 6950 or 7850 and GTX 560 TI, AMD is obviously good enough for 1080p gaming. If you avoid CPU limited games, a Phenom II or FX can do just fine with even higher end graphics systems. Piledriver will also give AMD a large performance boost over FX and supposedly also Phenom II, they will be viable even in CPU limited games with even higher end graphics than the above mentioned cards and the other similarly performing cards.

Also, GPUs are chips just as much as CPUs are.

Fanboys such as yourself seem to hate logic.
 
[citation][nom]Max Collodi[/nom]Isn't wasting time gaming's main objective?[/citation]

Isn't wasting time by playing games gaming's main objective? Wasting time on trying to get games to work right so that you can waste time playing them is not gaming's main objective IMO.
 
Didn't AMD have driver issues with Bulldozer on win7? Where the processor was only working at half power, and it took them MONTHS and MONTHS to get a new driver out for it?

I thought that they already did that a few drivers ago, but they changed the GTX460's into under powered GTX580's 😉

Isn't Nvidia having bad stuttering problems on Kepler right now (among other issues)? We can all keep on listing problems that each company has, but that won't change the fact that both companies have problems and both companies can have severe problems.
 
[citation][nom]zetzabre[/nom]Sorry AMD, but i don't trust you, not since bulldozer and your loser CEO admiting defeat in CPU competition. I agree if you want to give us only good drivers, that's fine. But we also need to have them quickly.It looks like you want to work less and take more time for yourself. In the past drivers we had lots of fixed issues in games and little performance gains. That's not little benefit.[/citation]

Try saying it all in caps! I'm sure it'll punch its way from Tom's to AMD's server so all of them can hear your well thought out, thoroughly inspired criticism that is completely misinformed, but your passion alone speaks volumes nonetheless.
 
[citation][nom]eddieroolz[/nom]I think there's always something that could be done, but if its mostly minor fixes then I agree, those should be clumped together into a larger rollout.[/citation]

There might always be something that can be done, but one month is a fairly small amount of time to both write the updates and to test them. We see how some updates have created almost as many problems as they solve and hopefully, this change of schedule will help that.
 
AMD.... this just shows even more how good Nvidia's driver support really is.

Biased comment is biased... You DO realize this is how nvidia has been doing their drivers for years right? AMD was the one pushing out updates on a regular schedule. Nvidias always done them this way. so... doing it like your beloved nvidia is bad?

" this just shows even more how good..." yea... ill let that gem stand on its own
 
[citation][nom]amk-aka-phantom[/nom]Oh, btw, nice going, AMD. Meanwhile, I'll enjoy my nVidia driver updates squeezing more and more potential out of my card.[/citation]AMD also optimizes their drivers over time. After a certain point, there's no more performance to really be wrung out of a given architecture. So while you'll see performance enhancements across the board for a new graphics chip, the older ones have already benefited from optimization and will only usually get bugfixes and tweaks for new games (although the tweaks/adjustments can boost performance for new games on old cards in some cases). This applies to Nvidia as well.

For those of you posting about this new driver schedule vs Nvidia's driver release schedule: As unksol and blazorthorn pointed out, Nvidia has been doing "as needed" or "when it makes sense" driver releases for ages. This is especially true of WHQL driver releases. Frankly, this is a much needed change for AMD.
 
[citation][nom]gilgamex[/nom]Try saying it all in caps! I'm sure it'll punch its way from Tom's to AMD's server so all of them can hear your well thought out, thoroughly inspired criticism that is completely misinformed, but your passion alone speaks volumes nonetheless.[/citation]
Looks like we have a little AMD fanboy here. I don't need to use caps. The only thing i need is go to competition next time i change my video card. You say i'm missinformed, but you don't say why. Too sad for you.
 
[citation][nom]beardguy[/nom]I love my Radeon card, but I hate the clunky UI for Catalyst control center. In this regard, I think Nvidia is much better.[/citation]
No kidding. On my E350 laptop, the control panel often takes a while to open, often while hogging the CPU. I have yet to see this happen on my desktop, with nvidia graphics. (AND I've had the desktop for more than twice as long as the laptop, 2.5 years vs 1 year, and I use the desktop a lot more than teh laptop.)
 
[citation][nom]livebriand[/nom]No kidding. On my E350 laptop, the control panel often takes a while to open, often while hogging the CPU. I have yet to see this happen on my desktop, with nvidia graphics. (AND I've had the desktop for more than twice as long as the laptop, 2.5 years vs 1 year, and I use the desktop a lot more than teh laptop.)[/citation]

E350. It might as well be a netbook, so of course it hogs what little resources the little processor has. Considering the processor, your storage is likely also slow and it is a greater bottle-neck (even on a machine with that APU) than your processor. The desktop has far greater processing power and storage performance, so it has no problem with opening something as complex as CCC. If that little netbook (or a similarly powerful machine) had Nvidia graphics and drivers, then they would also be slow. This isn't a fair comparison at all.
 
[citation][nom]unksol[/nom]Biased comment is biased... You DO realize this is how nvidia has been doing their drivers for years right? AMD was the one pushing out updates on a regular schedule. Nvidias always done them this way. so... doing it like your beloved nvidia is bad?" this just shows even more how good..." yea... ill let that gem stand on its own[/citation]

They have to keep releasing drivers becuase their drivers are trash. Now I'm stuck with garbage drivers for longer periods of times.
 
[citation][nom]Rds1220[/nom]They have to keep releasing drivers becuase their drivers are trash. Now I'm stuck with garbage drivers for longer periods of times.[/citation]

Trash? I think not. I have had 7850s and some other Radeon 7000 cards lately and I haven't found any problem that I couldn't quickly solve, let alone one that wasn't fixed by AMD later on. Besides that, I hardly ran into any driver problems anyway. I admit that in the past, I have had some more severe problems, but I've had problems with both companies over the years. Right now, I've been seeing more problems that have gone unsolved so far from Nvidia than from AMD (this has been something of a shocker for me).

Besides, if you dislike them so much (not that I know why since I have not had any bad problems that I couldn't solve quickly), then why are you buying AMD cards and even if you are, why not sell them for Nvidia cards so you can deal with Nvidia driver problems instead of AMD driver problems? Considering that AMD would release drivers less often, what drivers they do release should be not only more fine-tuned, but also more stable, so by your terminology, not so much trash/garbage as they are right now (according to you). However, I guess if AMD fixes more problems, then you trolls would have less to whine about. If you have many severe problems that you can't solve with AMD graphics cards, then you are not a very tech-savvy person, at least not for graphics.
 
Please AMD drivers are notorious for being buggy they have been that way for a long time. Drivers that cause stuttering, drivers that just won't work when trying to install them with dual video cards. The only way to download drivers with dual video cards is one at a time. That has nothing to do with user error that has to do with trash drivers. You're obviously an AMD fanboy to blinded to see the truth.
 
[citation][nom]Rds1220[/nom]Please AMD drivers are notorious for being buggy they have been that way for a long time. Drivers that cause stuttering, drivers that just won't work when trying to install them with dual video cards. The only way to download drivers with dual video cards is one at a time. That has nothing to do with user error that has to do with trash drivers. You're obviously an AMD fanboy to blinded to see the truth.[/citation]

Yes, I must be blinded by my perfectly working 7850 while you're stuck with stuttering with whatever card you claim to have. When things work right, I suppose they can be blinding. Just because something is notorious for some reason does not mean that the reason is true, or at least true anymore. As of right now, AMD has fixed the problem caused by dual GPU Radeon 7000 setups with their latest driver (among other fixes) and if you count the current severe problems that each company has, AMD is actually winning because Nvidia has more than AMD does right now.

Nvidia is the one with stuttering and V-sync issues right now, not AMD. Oh but sure, I must be a fanboy when I use logic against you. Every real tech savvy knows that the vast majority of problems are either user error or the user blames them on the wrong thing. My modded 7850 @ almost 1.4GHz GPU and over 6GHz memory that has had few severe driver issues so long as I keep drivers updated and if I see a problem, solve it myself real quick and fairly painlessly is quite a sight to behold for a sub $300 graphics card. Oh but sure, I must be a fanboy for pointing out what should be obvious. Care to name any driver related bugs that haven't been fixed and couldn't be fixed by rolling back a driver update and/or some quick little fix? I don't know of any, despite having a 7850 and having worked with several others.
 
I am both glad and annoyed at this news. On one hand its good because only every 4th driver release is useable (in my experience) all the ones in between are broken (almost like betas). Now they can release a driver only every 3 or 4 months like NVidia and release a working driver every time. On the other hand it is worse because often AMD driver issues are not fixed quickly I remember having an arma 2 lighting issue with every AMD driver for at least 8 driver releases before it was finally fixed. I also remember when I got my 6870s that BFBC2s shadows were flickering from 10.12 onwards and they still aren’t fixed. I certainly won’t be buying AMD cards again because their ability to fix issues is almost totally non-existent.
 
Hey, AMD. Got a tip for you. Restructure your pricing.

$330 for a 7970 would kick nVidia in the nuts, HARD. You should have done that when the 670 came out and availability was low. smh. Another good opportunity wasted. Just like how you don't really have a mobile strategy. What a shame. Better enjoy this "competition" while it lasts. You know what, why doesn't AMD just get a new CEO. This one seems to be stuck in 2004. Get one that can stomach the heat and criticism of being a "Bad Company". It seems that all the "Bad Companies" are succeeding while the "Good Companies", that is, the ones with "fair business practices" are failing. You people mix up your bad and good or something?
 
[citation][nom]opckieran[/nom]Hey, AMD. Got a tip for you. Restructure your pricing.$330 for a 7970 would kick nVidia in the nuts, HARD. You should have done that when the 670 came out and availability was low. smh. Another good opportunity wasted. Just like how you don't really have a mobile strategy. What a shame. Better enjoy this "competition" while it lasts. You know what, why doesn't AMD just get a new CEO. This one seems to be stuck in 2004. Get one that can stomach the heat and criticism of being a "Bad Company". It seems that all the "Bad Companies" are succeeding while the "Good Companies", that is, the ones with "fair business practices" are failing. You people mix up your bad and good or something?[/citation]

The 7970 probably costs twice as much to manufacture as the 670. AMD is having pricing troubles simply because they have far worse profit margins than Nvidia this generation because while Nvidia skimped on hardware quality and compute performance, AMD tried to not skimp on anything and got shafted for it. I think that the CEO might be problematic too, but AMD is probably really hurting right now as far as profit margins per sale go. That's probably why they got the free games going strong instead of lowering prices to undercut Nvidia's already low prices. If you include the free games, the 7900 cards are actually excellent values for their price and the 7950 with the same cooler as a 7970 has been known to actually be able to beat the 7970 when it comes to overclocking performance, so some 7950s with free games can have incredibly high overclocking value. AMD's doing just fine, especially since they seem to be gaining market share with their video cards relative to Nvidia.
 
[citation][nom]alphaalphaalpha3[/nom]A CEO is a "loser" (your words, not mine) just because he states that the CPU's that his company is making aren't as fast per core as the competition and he doesn't think that they can get back up there quickly yet? THat's not being a loser, that's telling the truth. He admitted that his company's CPUs weren't able to compete with Intel in very high end and cross the board in per core performance. That's how it is. I'd rather a guy know when something that is slower is slower than have a guy who keeps going on about "more cores matters" or some other crap about how his company's CPUs will accelerate your computing experience. Due to the poor showing of the latest FX line, AMD's reputation likely took a big hit in the gaming/enthusiast community, so instead of lying to us about his products, he told the truth. Maybe AMD will get back into the game. maybe they won't. Heck, maybe they will and already have things set in motion to get back on top and just wanted to get his competitors to drop their guard (we're not in the company. so lets not pretend that we know exactly what's going on there).You say that you don't trust them after that? Not that I'm saying that you should throw trust into them, but this is a company who came out and admitted that they're not at the top anymore instead of lying to us. Distrusting them is the exact opposite of what I'd do to a company who tells the truth about this.As for the rest of your previous comment, you're ignoring the fact that the scheduled releases of AMD's drivers has left us with many drivers either not fixing well-known issues all of the time and sometimes even causing more issues. Not having a strict monthly schedule means more testing time to ensure that the new drivers don't break things that they weren't fixing. This also means that we don't have reason to replace our drivers every month to stay current. Granted, I often got lax about updating drivers when what I have already works just fine, but lets not pretend that Nvidia's methods here haven't let them often stay ahead in a few ways.Sure, it happens, but how many Nvidia driver releases caused severe problems? Now compare them to AMD driver releases causing problems in the same time frame. Nvidia had more time to test things, so they usually didn't break things. Granted, AMD/Ati drivers have been pretty much consistently improving whilst it seems that Nvidia drivers have been waning in quality, but up to lately, Nvidia did pretty well. Assuming that AMD doesn't let crap happen like Nvidia is right now, this could help them get ahead of Nvidia in drivers.[/citation]
Again, you are completely missinformed little fangirl, AMD's CEO is a loser not because he said AMD's CPU's are slower, he is a loser because he quited from CPU war saying actual CPU's are fast enough.

AMD quits from CPU competiton from getting the fastes ones (after they said lots of times their Bulldozers would be fastest in earth and more stuff), now they quit from giving new drivers with important fixes in short times. I agree with people who only want updates when they are important, but i want them in short periods. AMD is saying they won't release updates every month. The question is: How long? two months, four, five, six, a year? And that gives another question: why so long? is it that hard for a big company to give good quality updates in a short time, os it an excuse just to fire employees and work less (and save money for themselves)?

I'm not like you. You act like a fangirl, protecting your company (it's not really yours, so face it), i act like most of us customers, protecting our investments. If we pay high for a product, we want good quality support too. Think about it.
 
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