Question "Safe" way to own a 5090, and about support brackets ?

[fedefrasis]

Hello. Im planning to upgrade my system

Current Specs
Mobo: ROG STRIX X670E-E GAMING WIFI BIOS 2007
CPU: Ryzen 7800X3D
GPU: RTX 4080 MSI Gaming Trio X
RAM: 64GB (4 x 16GB) Vengeance at 5200MHz C40
Cooler: Noctua NH-D15S
PSU: XPG Cybercore Platinum 1300w
CASE: NZXT H710i

I want to go to a 9800X3D or 9950X3D and 5090, but I'm worried about the 5090 melting or having cracks due to sag.

Is there a safe 5090 from melting? I saw the Astral lets you know if there is an error. My psu doesnt have a 12vhp direct cable, so I would be using the adapter, if this psu is still good for a 5090, that is. Is it?
Would I likely be able to use it without issue or am I very likely to encounter headaches? Is derbauers cable tool a proper fix, or just another warning? I avoided the 4090 and stayed on 4080 because of this and now. Is there any truly safe way to run this card and not have to worry about melting? Otherwise I might be better off waiting for a 5080 Super.

Incidentally, I'd also like to ask about my current setup. My Gaming Trio 4080 GPU is using the support bracket that came with it and nothing else, is that enough? This is how it looks:

https://imgur.com/a/pUXIln1

I can add another support like a coolermaster atlas if thats not enough,
Thanks!

 

[Lutfij]

Is there a safe 5090 from melting?
They all use the same connector. Why the connector melts is pretty much undetermined as there can be many reasons why you can end up with a melted connector.

My psu doesnt have a 12vhp
direct cable, so I would be using the adapter,
How old is your PSU?

This is how that looks https://imgur.com/a/pUXIln1 i can add another support like a coolermaster atlas if thats not enough,
You might want to retake pictures without the side panel on.

 

[TheyStoppedit]

There is no "safe" 5090. If it's going to melt, it's going to melt. It's important to keep in mind, that the Astral does not have any extra safety measures to prevent the card from melting. In the event of imminent danger, the Asus software will bring up a warning on your screen about that danger. It is up to the user to manually take corrective action. There is absolutely ZERO additional protections. It will ONLY provide a warning message on your screen, that is it, that is all, nothing else.

Board partners and PSU manufacturers have tried to implement their own safety measures. Each and every one of them has failed. The melting epidemic is rooted in the connectors design flaw, and that will continue until PCI-SIG fixes the problem in an updated spec, or NVidia allows board partners to use our trusty 8 pin connectors. I don't hold out any hope that either one of those things will happen, so, really... it truly is.... just a case of.... buy a 5090 at your own risk. It might melt. It might not. There is only one way to find out

I have a 4080S. I for one, will not upgrade unless there is a definitive fix to this problem. If someone handed me an 5090 on a silver platter for free, I wouldn't take it. To me, it's just not worth the risk. Unfortunately, it is up to you as the consumer to decide if it is worth the risk. I personally don't think it is. That is just my opinion, and it is only an opinion. You have to decide for yourself if you feel it's worth the risk

Most importantly, I just.... want you to be aware, that if the GPU is going to melt, it's going to melt. The warning from the Astral is at least.... well.... it's something, but if you start a big rendering task on your PC with an Astral, then let it run while you sleep for 8 hours..... if there is danger while you're sleeping, the warning will come up on the screen. You won't see it because you are sleeping, the card will continue to function, and the connector will melt like any other 5090. The Astral ONLY provide a warning. That is it. That is all.

 

[bill001g]

People seem to think you need some special support bracket or something. All you need is a small block of wood or anything else that you can place under the front corner of the video card.

Maybe if you move the computer around a lot you need something more secure.

Seem the solution to both the bending of both the boards themselves as well as not having to bend the power cables is to use a case/motherboard you can mount the GPU vertically.

 

[Flayed]

Wait and see what Seasonic come up with in terms of a solution to the melting issue. I think they are working on something with their next high-end PSU.

 

[fedefrasis]

Wait and see what Seasonic come up with in terms of a solution to the melting issue. I think they are working on something with their next high-end PSU.

Would putting a power limit on the card in afterburner make it safe? Or could it still get toasted

 

[fedefrasis]

There is no "safe" 5090. If it's going to melt, it's going to melt. It's important to keep in mind, that the Astral does not have any extra safety measures to prevent the card from melting. In the event of imminent danger, the Asus software will bring up a warning on your screen about that danger. It is up to the user to manually take corrective action. There is absolutely ZERO additional protections. It will ONLY provide a warning message on your screen, that is it, that is all, nothing else.

Board partners and PSU manufacturers have tried to implement their own safety measures. Each and every one of them has failed. The melting epidemic is rooted in the connectors design flaw, and that will continue until PCI-SIG fixes the problem in an updated spec, or NVidia allows board partners to use our trusty 8 pin connectors. I don't hold out any hope that either one of those things will happen, so, really... it truly is.... just a case of.... buy a 5090 at your own risk. It might melt. It might not. There is only one way to find out

I have a 4080S. I for one, will not upgrade unless there is a definitive fix to this problem. If someone handed me an 5090 on a silver platter for free, I wouldn't take it. To me, it's just not worth the risk. Unfortunately, it is up to you as the consumer to decide if it is worth the risk. I personally don't think it is. That is just my opinion, and it is only an opinion. You have to decide for yourself if you feel it's worth the risk

Most importantly, I just.... want you to be aware, that if the GPU is going to melt, it's going to melt. The warning from the Astral is at least.... well.... it's something, but if you start a big rendering task on your PC with an Astral, then let it run while you sleep for 8 hours..... if there is danger while you're sleeping, the warning will come up on the screen. You won't see it because you are sleeping, the card will continue to function, and the connector will melt like any other 5090. The Astral ONLY provide a warning. That is it. That is all.

Can it not be made safer by power limiting? Would you say the 5080+ overclockling is a better upgrade since the base 5080 is a joke? I want to wait for the 5080 super but they are saying they will push so much onto it i worry it will also be in the melting range of power consumption

 

[faalin]

The issue is inside the card, Nvidia cheaped out and only put in 1 12v power checker instead of multiple. So instead of checking the power coming in from multiple wires it only checks that the card is getting full power, it doesnt care if 2wires are caring most of the power instead of splitting the load equally across all 6 wires as long as its getting its power.


Der8auer came out with the WireView, but not sure if this helps with line load. There is also the Asus ROG Astral that has lights on the card or their GPU Tweak 3 software which will worn you if any pins go over the 9.2 amp spec.

 

[TheyStoppedit]

Can it not be made safer by power limiting? Would you say the 5080+ overclockling is a better upgrade since the base 5080 is a joke? I want to wait for the 5080 super but they are saying they will push so much onto it i worry it will also be in the melting range of power consumption

It's not the overclocking that's the problem. It's the load balance/current draw that's the problem. Yes, power limiting can reduce the chances of a melt. The 4080S is 320W and melting is extremely rare on that card, very very few cases. So you can undervolt your 5090 to 320W and it will most likely be fine. The card will take a performance hit for that. How much is anyone's guess. But yes, that is an option. I would say do your own research, find out how much a performance hit people took at 320W and see if that's worth it. It might be, I dont know. But its definitely an option worth looking at