AMD Unleashes 2nd-Gen A-Series APUs for Laptops, Desktops

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[citation][nom]RonXY[/nom]Is this 2-gen Trinity or new Llano? What is the cpu core?[/citation]

This is not trinity, just a Llano revision. And a welcome one at that.

Trinity will be using the FM2 socket.
 
[citation][nom]alidan[/nom]the fact that even the old cpus, the core 2 and core quad are still viable options today, mean that single core is fast enough. multi core, intel has an advantage, for now, at least till bulldozer gets a revision 2 and properly implemented. people dont like hearing that though... dont know why. an amd quad core beats out an i3 hands down. but thats not all. the amd also has a gpu on it correct, which beats the crap out of intel too...um... amd easily beats intel in graphics, and a per core, the i3 line is only slightly ahead of amds offerings at same price, but lets put it this way, better gpu beats out 5 seconds off a one time task.most people get a laptop for... i dont know... NOT PLAYING VIDEOGAMES...a mobile gameing laptop is out there, and reguardless of who/what you get, they cost several thousand$these are for the sub 1000$ markets, and most likely sub 600$ and extend battery life too, for a comparable cpu/gou combo. actually the gpu, i believe it was demoed running final fantasy 14 at one point, and smoothly, game asside, its graphics are a few steps above most casual games. and to be honest, for most, if not nearly all applications, even bulldozers current preformance is good enough. here let me explainthe p4, once it hit 3ghz, that was the mark... that was where everything runs just fine at. and today, most if not all cpus even at half clock run at least as good as that... that is the mark you want to hit minimum.[/citation]

What are you on about? I would say anything with less than two physical cores today is cripple. A halved clock is better than the same clock without Duel+ cores.
 
From what I can tell the gpu in that apu is about rough equivalent to an hd3850 maybe a 3870 if you take DX11 support and have good DDR3 ram to go with it. Which isn't a bad thing when you consider that would be the baseline performance for any machine with one of those in it. That would make any store bought machine capable of playing even some half way decent modern games. I was running bioshock and such on my 3870 at 1680x1050 with decent settings without much problem. Throw in the ability to crossfire with these and it helps a lot more.

Are these the ones based off the trinity core, or are these still stars cores with improved gpu?
 
[citation][nom]acornia[/nom]afaik amd has the best processor design. too bad this doesn't show in performance right now...i'd like to see what happens if software gets optimized for buldozer. intels HT is basically one core with 2 pipelines, but has the advantage that the software is optimized for it now.AMD is close to have the possibility of asynchronous crossfire..meaning any graphic core will work together with any other amd graphics core...so you have an apu with say 6550 graphics and you crossfire it with a pci-e 6970 card...amd will be back...the better technology will pay off. Compare to car industry...american way (intel) just put in a bigger engine and the car will go faster in a straight line...european way (amd) our roads have bends so we have to make our cars go fast round corners...better handling will make cars faster eventually.[/citation]

How do you work out AMD has a better CPU "design"? To be honest they have a radical design. Having an architecture that in theory works great doesn't mean anything, it needs to work in practice.

Besides I like the idea of Bulldozer, but the architecture is ultimately flawed. Massive pipeline that can't be filled fast enough due to a lack of level 3 cache, no way to prioritize data processing to a core vs an integer(software needs to do this but AMD didn't think it through).

It won't matter if the CPU's based on this architecture works in 5 years, which i'm sure it will, because by that time AMD has scrapped its server and high-end desktop processor development.(or they scale it down considerably)

AMD is not out of the game, they should just market what works and makes money and keep trying at top end once in a while.
 
I really want to see more reviews of the APU lineup vs the i3 and Pentium lines. Also how well the xFire scaling is between the APU and a GPU, it could make a potent cheap game rig on a super low power budget as well.

I fear that ivy and the Atoms coming out next year will begin to eat into AMD's last CPU safe-haven of low power/good gpu lineups. I hope it is not the case though, and that they can pull something really wonderful out of their hat with Trinity.
 
Lets see any Intel quad core system that can play WOW at 1080P 30fps use 35 watts with graphics. I am using WOW as an example because >15 million people bought laptops or desktops with discrete cards to play this game alone. AMD has just released a product that can fill this market using half the power and at a lower cost.
 
Toms this is all worthless until I see Crysis benchmarks !!

requesting benchmarks please
 
[citation][nom]Flinstone2390[/nom]Toms this is all worthless until I see Crysis benchmarks !!requesting benchmarks please[/citation]
Too bad they are retiring Crysis for benchmarks
 
You can game on ths system. It really depends on what you mean by game. As an old gamer, I can recall when the VGA monitor came out. Even then... we plaayed games. At some point though a small percentage of people started defining gaming as playing.g an cps game on Max settings. Most takers though dontt even play those games. You can play plenty of games on this new Llano, such as League of Legends, Starcraft, WOW, Tropico 4, and just about any rpg. Those are all gamesand many gamers play them.
 
[citation][nom]dragonsqrrl[/nom]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819103942http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] =i3%202100Is what I said false? Or is this just the usual posse of AMD fanboys making their rounds? I'm leaning towards option B.[/citation]

Actually, you can get a i3-2120 for only $120 -> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115077

This would probably ass-rape the AMD A8-3870K on many benchmarks, despite being $20 less expensive. It's easier on your electricity bill.
 
@southernshark I can attest to the gaming performance of these CPUs. In a mostly used for school notebook with an A6, my girlfriend can play Rift, Civ V and some other games. With reduced settings for sure, but not with the slideshow Intel's integrated graphics are. I've got a new mobile CPU I'm looking for in all my systems. The battery life with the stock battery is great, I can't imagine what she'd get with an extended battery. With this new "dual" option for graphics, these may be the best gaming mobile systems/low cost/low power systems out there. Given the emerging markets in India, China and the rest of the world, this price point may be a profitable one for AMD. Time will tell.
 
[citation][nom]otacon72[/nom]...show me the benchmarks! All I want to see... cheaper but at what cost? I'll spend a few extra dollars for an exponential jump in power. Just don;t understand why AMD can't compete with intel anymore. I don't care about APUs it's made up market from AMD.[/citation]

IMO.
AMD is doing fine, Intel is just racing to sweep AMD off the high end platform.
As far as games are concerned the AMD FX-8150 is more than capable of keeping up with the newest games. if you get a decient graphics card and you will be fine for awhile.

As long as AMD's newest and still yet affordable hardware is good enough for the lastest games.
they are still doing their job in my book.

im just now thinking about starting a new build. currently using AMD X2 5000+ black edition 2.6ghz 4gb DDR2-800 Nvidia 9600gt. a few games are too much, (skyrim) so its time.. and AMD is affordable.
 
I'm kinda wondering if this Llano CPU will beat bulldozer onced overclock. I'm sure this will be a good buy since you can overclock the CPU to 3.6-3.8Ghz easy and the graphics can probably do a 200mhz overclock to.

I want to see the benchmarks for Llano once overclock. I'm almost 70% sure A 4 core Llano at 3.8Ghz will beat a 8150 in most if not all tasks. Since the Quad core Llano that's already out beats or meets the 4100fx in most tasks. And that's when the 4110FX is clocked at 3.6Ghz and Llano is at 2.9Ghz!
 
You can pair it with a select 6500 series GPU and they are about to release the 7000 series? Sounds like the AMD right hand does not know what the left hand is doing.
 
[citation][nom]Novuake[/nom]What are you on about? I would say anything with less than two physical cores today is cripple. A halved clock is better than the same clock without Duel+ cores.[/citation]

you realize i was talking about the Pentium 4 right? let me rephrase it

any single core strives to preform as good as a pentium 4. most current cpus, even if you had them at half their natural clock preform as good if not better than a pentium 4.
 
The title is misleading. I thought i'm going to see the REAL 2nd GEN Trinity APUs here.
 
The smaller intel cpus for laptops with integrated hd3000, are better for web/video conversion and stuff like that, we know that from the benchmarks here right? So why should we buy amd apus for casual laptop uses?
I am not expert on cpu designs but the general rule is, that if there is no current software to utilize 100% the bulldozer design, or at least soon to be realeased , then there is no point of this advertize...
Also, what is this 100w? i see? if its power consumption, isnt it higher than the 75w of i5 2500k for example? then where is the "less heat" on amd apus excuse?
 
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