AMD vs. Intel: Refuting Historical Inaccuracies

[SpidersWeb]

Since I preferred PCs over Macs, I never was a Motorolla fanboy but they're the only real company that's made a CPU that competed with Intel for years on end without copying the same base architecture - have to admire that - even if you think an old Mac is poopy pants.

(Correct me if I'm wrong, its the only company I'm aware of that did this in the DT market)

 

[randomizer]

i hate motorolla

they have good headsets other than that they suck

See PowerPC.

 

[jimmysmitty]

Since I preferred PCs over Macs, I never was a Motorolla fanboy but they're the only real company that's made a CPU that competed with Intel for years on end without copying the same base architecture - have to admire that - even if you think an old Mac is poopy pants.

(Correct me if I'm wrong, its the only company I'm aware of that did this in the DT market)

The Power CPU is quite good but is not only a Motorola idea. Its a joint idea from IBM and Motorola. In fact the biggest reason why Apple switched to Intel was because motorola lost one of their biggest FABs in that massive Tsunami a few years back thus destroying most of their chip making capabilities.

But like IBM, they tend to do joint ventures these days rather than alone. HK/MG for AMD is being worked on by 11 total companies including AMD and IBM while Intel tends to do a lot of their stuff alone. Joint ventures are great but in the end no one really gets the IP its just shared.

Motorola does make the set top boxes for Verizons FiOS and they are pretty nice. They have a lot of untapped features such as a eSATA port and so on.

 

[BadTrip]

i hate motorolla

they have good headsets other than that they suck

go to anand's and tell IdontCare that.

 

[ElMoIsEviL]

Now if we can get JJ and ActionMan back. Hell even Madmodmike, lol

JJ actually helped me with aspect of this post and the posts I was doing over at AMDZone. It was a joint effort

 

[one-shot]

First off, great post. I'm glad there are people out there willing to find out things for themselves rather than just repeating what they hear being said. Just one thing, dunnington was not the first native six core processor because dunnington isn't a native six core. In that article you posted, it said dunnington was a compilation of 3 penryn cores one one die. That conflicts the very definition of being 'native'. Penryn is a native dual core, combining them together doesn't make dunnington a native six core. This is the same argument used as to why core2 quad isn't a native quad core - because its 2 penryn cores on one die. So the award doesn't go to intel, or amd because as far as I know, neither company has made a native six core processor.

edit: note: Technical error - forgot about conroe. c2q can be combinations of penryn or conroe. Conroe core was used in 65nm variations.

AMD's Istanbul CPU isn't a native Hexa core? Are you sure?

http://techreport.com/articles.x/17005

http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/news/2009-05/amd_istanbul_die.jpg

http://img.xataka.com/2009/04/amd_istanbul_die_0.jpg

 

[BadTrip]

JJ actually helped me with aspect of this post and the posts I was doing over at AMDZone. It was a joint effort

Well bring him back also; he is needed. We have been overrun by people that need his expertise as of late.

 

[randomizer]

Well bring him back also; he is needed. We have been overrun by people that need his expertise as of late.

I believe that is precisely why he isn't here.

 

[BadTrip]

Well I miss the good ole' days damnit, lol. Sucker for nostalgia.

 

[croc]

I believe that is precisely why he isn't here.

Well, 'precisely' may not be quite right... It could be that he now has his own in-house n00b to deal with.

 

[ElMoIsEviL]

There were no mobile versions of the 386 and 486 processors. The link you provided only shows a chip with an integrated Memory Management Unit, which all x86 chips have had since the 80286, NOT an integrated memory controller. Big difference.

Well you might want to edit Wikipedia to start:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_80386#The_i386SL_variant

The i386SL variant

The i386SL was introduced as a power efficient version for laptop computers. The processor offered several power management options (e.g. SMM), as well as different "sleep" modes to conserve battery power. It also contained support for an external cache of 16 to 64 kB. The extra functions and circuit implementation techniques caused this variant to have over 3 times as many transistors as the i386DX. The i386SL was first available at 20 MHz clock speed,[8] with the 25 MHz model later added

An Integrated Memory Controller could be found on both the Intel i386SL & i486SL processors: http://www.alasir.com/x86ref/

The low-power version of i386SX, with both cache and memory controllers integrated. Designed exclusively for notebooks and other portables. Intel's second attempt to produce an all-in-one chip since i80186.

About 1.8 million units were sold.

Intel i486SL

Intel's third attempt to produce an all-in-one chip; the core of i486DX + three controllers: memory, ISA and PI (Peripheral Interconnect bus). Like before, exclusively for notebooks and other portables. Of course, i486DX pin-incompatible.

It's mentioned by Intel in this article:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=1455

In an attempt to confirm or deny the rumor, I checked with Intel spokesperson Bill Kircos, who did neither when he said "I’m not saying Intel will or won’t go this route someday. History shows we’ve gone both ways. We integrated the memory controller in our CPUs as far back as 1990 (i386SL w/ Page Mode DRAM + SRAM + FLASH MC) and 1992 (i486SL w/ Fast Page mode 3.3v DRAM, x4, x8, x16). We do it now with our X-scale based products. And, we had it as part of a desktop PC chip project called Timna that we cancelled in the late 90s.

If you want a direct source there is always this *.pdf from Intel: http://download.intel.com/pressroom/kits/events/computex2009/Presentation_MobiliyfortheMasses.pdf

Move to slide 21 and you'll see it there

 

[chowmanga]

AMD's Istanbul CPU isn't a native Hexa core? Are you sure?

http://techreport.com/articles.x/17005

http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/news/2009-05/amd_istanbul_die.jpg

http://img.xataka.com/2009/04/amd_istanbul_die_0.jpg

I <3 people who post without reading the entire thread...

 

[SpidersWeb]

Wasn't there a 486SL/2 or something as well? My memory fails me.

Checked up the specs of my 386 laptop, it's only a SX/16.
I have seen SL/SLC models around though.

 

[Upendra09]

See PowerPC.

yeah other than that and their headsets

go to anand's and tell IdontCare that.

i don't think i want to now

i feel retarded enough here, if i go to Anand's I would get banned for not knowing anything good enough to post

 

[BadTrip]

difference is?

 

[Upendra09]

don't start again

Anyway why hasn't my rank changed i should be a veteran as of now

I AM FINALLY A VETERAN, FEEL MY WISDOM!!!

 

[BadTrip]

why dont you either grow up or go post in the Disney forum you aggravating ass noob.

 

[Mousemonkey]

why dont you either grow up or go post in the Disney forum you aggravating ass noob.

Now now, at least he's not as belligerent or confrontational as some I could mention.

 

[Upendra09]

ur welcome, my dear apprentice, i will grow up

i have to live up to being a veteran now, funny how i got to veteran after only 8 months here, i should get a medal/badge, Tom's should do that

then again we would be overrun with Veteran noobs 😀

 

[Upendra09]

MouseM, I don't know if you complimented me or insulted me sarcastically

but expect a different Upendra09 in the next few days

 

[Mousemonkey]

MouseM, I don't know if you complimented me or insulted me sarcastically

but expect a different Upendra09 in the next few days

If I were to insult you I would do so in such a way as to leave no doubt of my intention. :finger:

 

[Upendra09]

ok where did u get that smiley

 

[Mousemonkey]

It's in the THG database of smiley's.

 

[randomizer]

Ok guys keep on topic, there are plenty of other threads to talk about anything or nothing.

 

[Upendra09]

how do u get to the database?

So is it true that Bulldozer can bring AMD back?