AMD vs. Intel: Refuting Historical Inaccuracies

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As Randomizer said, the TLB was over-hyped despite what some of the threads I may have created said... LOL. However, it was enough to create a stop-ship order for Barcelona Opterons.

The main issue with Phenom I was that AMD simply couldn't clock it high enough. The monolithic (aka native, "real", etc...) design that was supposedly superior to Intel's MCM design didn't allow them flexibility in manufacturing.

When your making all four cores at once your processor is only as fast as its slowest core. So if you have 2 cores that can run at 1.9 ghz, and 2 cores that can run at 2.3 ghz, the processor can only be a 1.9ghz processor.

However, Intel's design allowed them to come to market with a Quad Core a year early and also allowed them to pair up two similarly performing dual cores. So while AMD was trying to accomplish a difficult goal, making four fast cores, Intel only had to make two fast cores and pair them together.

Yes, the MCM approach did change the performance of the processor, it changed it for the better.

AMD Fanboys cried until they will blue in the face trying to say that Intel's quad wasn't "real". However, the benchmarks and results were very real, and it was just a lame attempt to discredit a great product due to fanboyism.

This also lead to another popular AMD Fanboy myth, that the FSB was saturated. While it may have been under very unusual workloads, for the average user wanting to play games at the time and perform other tasks, it most certainly was not saturated. AMD Fanboys would try to argue that despite what benchmarks said, that AMD processors were somehow faster.

AMD's inability to have a quad core also lead to their decision to make a "dual socket enthusiast platform" called QuadFX. So instead of gluing double cheeseburger together in a single package, they did even worse, they glued them together on a single motherboard using two sockets, and that was their "quad core" solution. This was the birth of the need of a kilowatt power supply.

Barcelona simply didn't perform up to expectations and was not any where near Intel's top end, in fact, they couldn't even match the performance of AMD's slowest quad-core which had been out for over a year. Phenom II has closed the gap significantly, but as you can tell by the Phenom II X4 965's $250 price tag, they simply don't offer a product that can compete with more expensive Intel processors currently. However, because most people don't purchase processors that cost more than $250, AMD seems to be surviving by offering only budget and (lower) mid-range products. AMD's processors also seem to have more (and cheaper) motherboard options then Intel, especially the i7 line.

All in all, for a budget system it's a toss up, but if you want to go into the mid-range and beyond Intel is the only show in town (although this won't matter for most people, as we don't want to pay our early-adopter tax).
 


They just do what Intel does with its old trash, flood the market with it and SELL SELL SELL! It's better to sell it for lower profit\no profit\loss than it is to not sell it at all!
 
They weren't really terrible when compared to the old Athlons (as long as you weren't running the TLB fix). The problem was they came out so long after the Core 2's and were slower than them. So, if you only look at AMD's offerings, they were the logical next step, with a few shortcomings. Compared to Core 2 though, especially with OCing, they were sunk. The TLB (Translation Lookaside Buffer) fiasco didn't help either. The problem was blown out of proportion (all CPUs have minor bugs) and the 'patch' to fix this extremely rare occurrence crippled the already weak CPU.
 


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So why hasn't AMD made a stepping to enhacne the Phenom II yet, kinda stupid on their part to not do that after a year of selling i mean the the i7 had 4 steppings, all the way up to D0
 


Yea but I think ours were pretty civil........

I think I always had the logical view.....and the fast enough theory..... :lol:

I now call it the "Cheap Bastard" theory.
 



Hey I have one much worse than that and I hope to God you never find it. :kaola:
 


Well apparently some people didn't get the message the first time, and made him start another thread about it...
 


The switch to GF has taken a toll on AMD.

They don't have the full resources to do a stepping every so often like Intel does. Phenom I had one new stepping. Thats it.
 


I haven't seen an AMD commercial neither on TV, radio, newspaper on my part of the world. Intel's reach and money does wonders for their products.



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The TLB bug was reproducible, but it is a very very rare bug that would occur on normal use. This though is not acceptable for anyone doing production work, as there is that looming possibility.

As mentioned, the LN2 bug, mildly overclockable (compared to Core 2 Duo's), and performance was just at par with the middle of the pack of Core 2's.




Intel has money, AMD has few. Unless the new stepping could improve yields, AMD's money could go better on the development of new products.
 


I have also seen that claim. From my experience it is predominantly made by AMD fanbois. I have AMD machines as well as Intel machines and have not come across this "stuttering" they claim occurs on Intel C2Q based machines.

Seeing as these fanbois are nothing short of delusional, in their unwavering support for one large Corporate semi-conductor over another, they are probably suffering from delusions of grandeur and only "seeing" a stuttering because it's what they want to see.

I haven't come across any empirical evidence which could justify this phenomenon as the only "evidence" put forth are the positive claims made by the AMD fanbois themselves (their testimonials).

It seems like they simply want to "spread" the word of this all new powerful deity they've encountered (AMD). And the only tool they have to convince the general public are appeals to emotion and misleading statements. To them we're all just too stupid to understand... we just don't get it. They will generally ask us to just "look for ourselves" knowing we're probably too lazy to do so therefore we're more inclined to just take them at their word.

Essentially... fanbois are a lot like that couch jumping Scientologist we all know and "love".
 
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