AMD wants us to breakfree

[torcida_kutina]

Intel shouldn't pay up. They make a rock solid product. AMD should increase it competitiveness and we will see that in the coming weeks with the release of its K10. What did Intel do when its Netburst processsors sales are about to be burnt to ashes by K8? More competition, and now Intel is ahead of its game. If AMD pulled this off with its K10 then they're back to cat and mouse chase.

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[sresener]

Well first of all im no fanboy, Im a small computer builder when amd64 were considerbly better than p4's i pushed them, Now Intel has a superior cpu so i push them.
But say hypothetically some huge company with unlimited resources buys amd then with those resourse influences the major oem's to make intel systems hard to get ahold of.

Now I could imagine how much complaining would be done then.

Only difference was back when amd had the superior cpu they had small market share and I had to deal with customers who just wanted intel for no real reason. And alot didnt even know what amd was.

So my point is what would you do say if amd was able to pursude oems into not selling intel heck and nvidia too.

This isnt about fanboyism papi4baby this is about not using your corperate power to keep superior products away from us.

ps. Even if you love intel just imagine if amd and ati go under. everyone will loose there.

 

[torcida_kutina]

i fracking right man, yeah fracking right, LMAO, hey Horde-boy, what's the matter have to come to insults when you know your have nothing to really contribute, lol.
Im done with this thread, is nothing but bitching and crying by the AMD followers, and insulting the people that agree with the competion. LOL. This place is gay.

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[DXRick]

The EU is very different than the US when it comes to managing their economies. In general, they don't want big companies to destroy local businesses, like what we have allowed companies like Home Depot and Costco to do to local mom & pop hardware stores (not to mention what mail order computer stores have done to the local markets).

I saw this first hand when traveling all over Europe in 2000. I shopped for clothes while traveling. The price for a pair of jeans would be the same in all stores, regardless of the store's size. So, the department stores did not put the smaller stores out of business.

We, of course, would see this as price fixing. We would see this as being unfair to the consumer and anti-competitive.

In the EU they see this as unfair to the producers and merchants. They put them above the rights of the consumer.

It is a very different mentality than we have on how economics should work. Intel tried to break their rules and is going to have to pay for it.

 

[dobby]

AMD: help water im dying,

ha, i would like to see them die. and i would like to see IBM get back in the (real) CPU curciut and challenge Intel with real bussiness experience and technology.

 

[grieve]

WOW .... cant believe i read all that.

If Intel is guilty, they will pay up. Until they are found guilty our opinions are useless.

 

[ImajorI]

As much as I hate AMD's constant crying foul to Intel, I'm almost hopeful AMD is able to get some money out of this suit, because they've proven they can't get it anywhere else.

Bingo

 

[DJ_Jumbles]

i fracking right man, yeah fracking right, LMAO, hey Horde-boy, what's the matter have to come to insults when you know your have nothing to really contribute, lol.
Im done with this thread, is nothing but bitching and crying by the AMD followers, and insulting the people that agree with the competion. LOL. This place is gay.

No... this place is not gay, but some of its denizens might be. It's not about being an AMD follower, man, it's about businesses who stifle their competition with anti-competitive practices. Yeah, I own an AMD processor. Have you actually READ any of my posts regarding AMD/ATI? You are way off base and keeping your smug attitude about your "superior" CPU in the face of an argument that's not about who's better, but who's playing fair. You'd be an IDIOT not to admit that AMD released an overall superior product and got the shaft for it. Intel obviously was playing dirty pool. I don't know if it was illegal, but if it quacks like a duck...

AMD: help water im dying,

ha, i would like to see them die. and i would like to see IBM get back in the (real) CPU curciut and challenge Intel with real bussiness experience and technology.

Does this even deserve a reply? No, read above Intel Fanboy.
Wait, on second thought... what about the on-die memory controller? Gee... without AMD, that efficiency would have never been realized (and still isn't by Intel). Technologically, AMD takes much greater risks than Intel or Nvidia. Now, they may fall short on their promises sometimes, but it's better to gamble big if you're going to gamble on technology. Their last gamble, x64, was a HUGE step forward from what Intel was doing. Then, Intel finally got it right only LAST YEAR with their Core 2 Duos. Meanwhile, ATI/AMD took a gamble on the graphics market by actually introducing a TRUE DX10 compatible card with stream processors that the 8800 series lacks for true DX10 compatibility (I know, I know... M$ fixed this requirement in DX10 only AFTER Nvidia couldnt make it work). Was it the knock-out success they thought it would be? No. Was it a radically different approach to what Nvidia is doing? YES. So, the success or failure that AMD/ATI enjoys at any given moment may only be a temporary thing. When you are busy trying things outside the box, sometimes you get great results and sometimes you get the FX-74 and the 2900xt (the GTX killer!!!! 😗 ) Don't get me wrong: Intel also innovates in this industry, but history has shown that they are less apt to really take huge risks in order to make their ideas and concepts into reality.

as has been said in this thread, the complaints are not about now but about then and have been building up long before the core arch was released, regardless what new chip intel brought out, this was going to happen as it is not about who is the best, it is about a fair playing field for the consumer.

EXACTLY Holy SHIITE!! Someone finally got it.
I love how this place has degraded so far so fast. I wish that idiots with nothing intelligent to add would just shut up.

 

[Hatman]

Im getting pretty annoyed with a lot of people aswell.

Its not bout the best product its about what happened and how, how Intel has seemingly done this to amd IS illegal.

What products are out doesnt matter.. they just cant do that. And if it was complete bull, there wouldnt be a long discussion about it. They wouldnt make such accusations without reasonable proff to back it up, not like we'd hear about most of it til its over anyways.

Nvidia dominated ATI/AMD in the grapihcs section yes, Intel probably would of without doing all this stuff, but the fact is that it appears taht they did do it, so they gotta be punished.

 

[pausert20]

Well, all I know is if Intel's legal department signed off on all of the issues brought up in the EU investigation then all of the lawyers should be fired. You don't think that each incentive program that Intel comes out with is not vetted by their corporate lawyers then you are some sort of fantasy land.

 

[Hatman]

All the big companies are alwyas being sued for things lol Microsoft, for example 😀

This is just a bit of a bigger thing...

 

[Jakc]

Yea, i don't particularly care who's on top of the CPU game, i'll buy which ever is the best value for money.

BUT if the guy who makes the worse product makes it nearly impossible for me to buy a system with the better, cheaper parts then i get pissed off.

This is exactly what intel did in the K8/Netburst days, i wanted to buy a K8 system because it was better value for money, but i had to build my own system because there simply was no K8 system for sale in my country.

So everybody who couldn't build there own system, like every business company looking for new computers got riped off by being sold Netburst systems, artificially keeping intel's market share high.

I say this sux because customers didn't get to choose what they wanted to buy, and got an inferior product.

I say Intel should pay up

P.S. if AMD had done the same i'd be saying that they should pay up

P.P.S. to all of you who've been saying that this is just how capitalism works, go back to school, you're morons because you obviously have no clue how any system of economics works, and you are apparently happy to pay what ever price is asked for. End of the day it's the customer who decides what to buy, taking away the customers right to choose is why we have anti trust laws!

Agreed.

Also, cola =! processors.
Restaurants want to sell one type of cola, OEM's don't want to sell one type of processors, unless a cpu company forces them into it by giving huge discounts only if they don't do anything with AMD.

Intel should pay AMD a few billion.
What comes around goes around.

 

[Jakc]

Your nick sounds like you're gay, moron without brain. Your definition of competition is as in 4 year old child. Go in your room and read more, and more books, you wont be sorry.

When you call someone a moron without a brain, and then fail to make a normal sentence, your insult loses some of its impact.
Also, I think it's better to be gay, than make posts like you do.

 

[Mousemonkey]

what's wrong with being happy?

Definition :- Showing or characterized by cheerfulness and lighthearted excitement; merry.

 

[sonoran]

Intel should pay AMD a few billion.

Since half of you already have Intel tried and convicted, could one of you please provide some details on precisely what it was Intel did that was illegal? Please, no vague generalities and supposition (which is all that's been posted in this thread so far). You can't go to court with that. I'm looking for real details - company names, names of involved parties, dates of events, details from illegal contracts, etc. Somebody? Anybody?

So, how was it that so many of you already decided the facts of this case?

 

[Mousemonkey]

Since half of you already have Intel tried and convicted, could one of you please provide some details on precisely what it was Intel did that was illegal? Please, no vague generalities and supposition (which is all that's been posted in this thread so far). You can't go to court with that. I'm looking for real details - company names, names of involved parties, dates of events, details from illegal contracts, etc. Somebody? Anybody?

So, how was it that so many of you already decided the facts of this case?

You could start by going through all of the links on this page http://breakfree.amd.com/en-us/anti_documents.aspx, you might find what you seek.

 

[croc]

Hmmm... a 'benchmark' by AMD of AMD's new cpu brings howls of derision, and rightly so, since it was nothing more than a PP presentation slide of a simulated benchmark of a simulated CPU...

But let AMD post similar legal 'benchmarks' on a website by and about AMD, with reports commissioned by AMD....

Japan did indeed fine Intel, (P.O.'d that a foreign corp could play the game as well as their own?) Korea has not to my knowledge, and the EU has filed a 'statement of objection' on behalf of AMD. This is more of a 'please explain' than a lawsuit. Given that neither corp is a EU based corp, I'd predict that this goes no where. Sort of like the EU antitrust lawsuit (not a 'statement of objection') went against M$... (Who seem to have bought off the DOJ as well...)

We currently live in a world of 900 KG gorillas that get their way. One way or the other. Don't like it? Too bad. Sue the gorillas.

 

[vylo]

I'm not sure if I see the problem. Offering companies incentives for them using you exclusively is a common practice.

 

[Mousemonkey]

I'm not sure if I see the problem. Offering companies incentives for them using you exclusively is a common practice.

'AMD’s Complaint alleges that Intel conditions
certain payments to customers on their agreement to limit or forego purchases from AMD'

'Intel retaliated against
companies doing or contemplating doing business with AMD'

Quotes taken from http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/DownloadableAssets/Letter_to_Judge_Poppiti.pdf

Selective quotes I know but you should try reading the legal gobbledegook yourself because it makes my head hurt!

 

[vylo]

Eh, doesn't make much difference to me. I will buy from whoever makes the better chip, and if they are even I'll buy AMD.

 

[Mousemonkey]

Eh, doesn't make much difference to me. I will buy from whoever makes the better chip, and if they are even I'll buy AMD.

Unless they are all bought up and kept off the market by an unscrupulous OEM.

 

[Mousemonkey]

strangestranger, there are so many people that seem to go through this life with their eyes wide shut it depresses and annoys me in equal measure, which is why I thank the great worm spirit for the invention of strong beer. [:mousemonkey:3]

 

[Mousemonkey]

It most definitely is, according to my hero Earthworm Jim :lol:

 

[rammedstein]

i think my avatar depicted the situation for the last few years quite well, lol.

I work in the it industry, and people get me and my team to build large scale networks and office systems, and i have seen this with my own eyes, however, since i plan, design and build large scale networks things other than initial cost are important, so that is what has made me almost never choose intel in the past 2-3 years (even now, most computers i build if they are budget, they have a 3800+x2 and it is half the price of the low end intel), however, previously, the price was almost 2x as much, and when i looked at prices per 10,000 there was almost no difference and that is where i spotted it.

 

[blackgold33]

This just confirms my disdain for Intel