News AMD's desktop PC market share skyrockets amid Intel's Raptor Lake crashing scandal — AMD makes biggest leap in recent history

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AMD's desktop x86 CPU market share rises 5.7% in one quarter as company launches Ryzen 9000 CPUs amid Intel's Raptor Lake stability issues scandal.

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[-Fran-]

The biggest thing that baffles me is this: Intel is a behemoth and commands (still) 70%+ of the market (check note 1) and it still is in this much trouble. Like... How can you have such bad management that with this much of a lead in size and market share you just can't get things into a proper grip and get out of the hole.

Pat has been doing a terrible job, sorry. He needs the boot, for sure, but then again I think: who would even want to try here? Sure, internal candidates would flock over to just have "Intel CEO" in their CVs, but would leave for stupid reasons (like having office affairs... ugh) when they realize they're over their heads.

Several reports say Intel's biggest enemy is itself, not anyone else, which is baffling. In-fighting for petty political reasons is the worst that can happen.

Note1: X86, but X86 vs ARM in PC and Server is almost 95%+ for X86. I'm leaving mobile (phones and tablets) completely out.

Regards.

 

[stuff and nonesense]

The biggest thing that baffles me is this: Intel is a behemoth and commands (still) 70%+ of the market (check note 1) and it still is in this much trouble

Big business needs big money to service its outgoings. If they can’t sell enough parts then at a threshold point the company loses money.
Shareholders want their cut of the profits, if they aren’t getting their cut there is the option to sell and “invest” elsewhere. This forces forces the share price down. Share prices determine the market cap and how much the company can borrow so less money is available for investment..

If Intel can’t cover its costs with its income then outgoings, staff, gets cut and all too often the accountants will try to reduce investment in engineering and invention. I hope Intel doesn’t go down that path.

 

[Jimbojan]

Intel wasn't able to produce product ahead of AMD’s in the 3Q24, but now, Intel got its instability issue solved, plus, its server chips is again ahead of AMD’s, Intel should get back to its volume leader again. No more losing share from here on.

 

[qwertymac93]

Intel wasn't able to produce product ahead of AMD’s in the 3Q24, but now, Intel got its instability issue solved, plus, its server chips is again ahead of AMD’s, Intel should get back to its volume leader again. No more losing share from here on.

In what way have Intel's latest server parts leapfrogged AMD's? I think momentum in the enterprise/datacenter is a big deal and it's why AMD has in the past had such a hard time gaining share there; it's going to work in their favor now as Intel will likely be affected by their recent performance/scandals for the next couple years.

I work with a lot of customers and for years I would get pushback for recommending AMD parts, either because the guys had never heard of AMD, or they'd only heard that their parts are slow, power hungry, and incompatible with Intel's (for the purposes of live migrations/virtualization for example). It wasn't until maybe 2022 that I'd finally convinced most of my clients that AMD's parts are as good or better than Intel's when the price is right. That's despite the fact that they've been at least competitive long before then.

 

[Neilbob]

In what way have Intel's latest server parts leapfrogged AMD's? I think momentum in the enterprise/datacenter is a big deal and it's why AMD has in the past had such a hard time gaining share there; it's going to work in their favor now as Intel will likely be affected by their recent performance/scandals for the next couple years.

It's just Jimbojan. Jimbojan has been Jimbojan'ing almost every quarter for several years now with the exact same or similar proclamations. Every new Intel Xeon about to be released will be all-powerful. Every Intel product is impeccable and every AMD product is a failure. AMD market share is about to collapse/Intel market share about to burgeon. Intel makes more money, so AMD is both useless and doomed. Intel has amazing products coming that I know about but no-one else has even seen leaks of, AMD has nothing coming ever again.

It could almost be a dictionary entry. To Jimbojan: to engage in the act of blind fanboy bias, with fingers planted firmly in ears and going 'la-la-la'.

Maybe it could be a procedure at the optometrist: laser eye Jimbojannation - a procedure to have the phrase 'Intel iz da winnar' burned on to the corneas.

For myself, I'm assuming that Intel will return to being competitive at some point in the future, and that'll hopefully be sooner rather than later, because AMD is NOT our friend, and WILL become major money-grubbers without decent competition.

 

[Mattzun]

I'm not seeing anything showing a change in market share that would be in line with the severity of Intel's issues.
That huge last quarter gain brings AMD market share back to the point where it was back in 2022 when Zen3 and the 5800X3D were competing with Intel 11th gen.

It looks like the five percent of the market that is build your own PCs has swung completely back to AMD but that OEMs are still buying mostly Intel at the level they did in 2022.
Either the 13th/14th gen issues didn't impact the OEMs much (likely - lots of 75 watt parts) and/or they are getting great prices and reimbursement for excess RMA expenses from Intel (also likely)

Given that Intel has NO gaming CPUs in its current lineup, the 5 percent change have happened in Q1 2025 even if 13th and 14th gen i7 and i9's weren't massively flawed.

 

[Ogotai]

Intel got its instability issue solved

are you sure about that ? can you prove it ? cause no one will know, at all, for at last 6 months, if 13th and 14th gen are fixed, or if the new ultra ( 15th gen ???? ) will or will not have the same issues....

either way, no one i know, is risking their money on buy intel now, at all, they have all gone with amd, and will probably stay with amd for 2-3 years cause if the issues with 13th and 14th gen, they just dont trust intel...

 

[SunMaster]

Intel wasn't able to produce product ahead of AMD’s in the 3Q24, but now, Intel got its instability issue solved, plus, its server chips is again ahead of AMD’s, Intel should get back to its volume leader again. No more losing share from here on.

Intels server chips ahead of AMD? I think you've been cherrypicking information.

 

[YSCCC]

In what way have Intel's latest server parts leapfrogged AMD's? I think momentum in the enterprise/datacenter is a big deal and it's why AMD has in the past had such a hard time gaining share there; it's going to work in their favor now as Intel will likely be affected by their recent performance/scandals for the next couple years.

I work with a lot of customers and for years I would get pushback for recommending AMD parts, either because the guys had never heard of AMD, or they'd only heard that their parts are slow, power hungry, and incompatible with Intel's (for the purposes of live migrations/virtualization for example). It wasn't until maybe 2022 that I'd finally convinced most of my clients that AMD's parts are as good or better than Intel's when the price is right. That's despite the fact that they've been at least competitive long before then.

I think that's the big brand effects which kept intel dominating the market for the years, where once a while AMD did take a considerable lead in performance department, just because they think intel is more stable.

Which, after the headline catching instability issue for the RPL degradation, have changed quite a bit, even non gaming/tech geek people heard that intel is unstable maybe going to kick in for some time

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Intel wasn't able to produce product ahead of AMD’s in the 3Q24, but now, Intel got its instability issue solved, plus, its server chips is again ahead of AMD’s, Intel should get back to its volume leader again. No more losing share from here on.

Another Intel fanboy denying reality and substituting his own.

Sorry, Intel's sinking slowly but surely.

It's "Itanic 2: Electric Boogaloo" time.

 

[txfeinbergs]

Intel wasn't able to produce product ahead of AMD’s in the 3Q24, but now, Intel got its instability issue solved, plus, its server chips is again ahead of AMD’s, Intel should get back to its volume leader again. No more losing share from here on.

Sorry, but their latest chips suck though for gaming.

 

[Notton]

I am using an i7-13700K.
I was told that Microcode 0x129 would fix it for sure
We're now at 0x12B final last v2 final final final draft v5 this time for sure no really.bios.
and I'm like

 

[DS426]

Intel wasn't able to produce product ahead of AMD’s in the 3Q24, but now, Intel got its instability issue solved, plus, its server chips is again ahead of AMD’s, Intel should get back to its volume leader again. No more losing share from here on.

Didn't Lunar Lake launch before Strix Point?

Intel's stability problem is still going to cost them for some time in both turnovers and warranties. Funny actually as Arrow Lake has some stability issues at launch, though not related to RL's voltage issue.

Intel's servers parts are only slightly ahead of AMD's Zen 5 EPYCs, with Turin become available on October 10th. Yes, they are finally competitive again, so I believe they'll slow down [but not stop] AMD's marketshare gains in the server CPU segment.

"No more losing share from here on" -- I call that wishful thinking. AL isn't an impressive jump from RL, and while Zen 5 on desktop wasn't either, AMD has the X3D ace in their sleeve.

 

[Makaveli]

its server chips is again ahead of AMD’s

lol lay off the drugs bro.

 

[hannibal]

If and when AMD market share is 28% when Intel product are pure... Just think how little AMD will sell if Intel manage to make even decent CPU. I am not even talking about good product... just decent.
We customers don´t definitely give gratitude to companies that makes better products at better price.
And do you know how few people buy x3d versions of AMD CPUs? Tiny, tiny percent. Intel still own CPU market with crappy products... sigh...

 

[stuff and nonesense]

If and when AMD market share is 28% when Intel product are pure... Just think how little AMD will sell if Intel manage to make even decent CPU. I am not even talking about good product... just decent.
We customers don´t definitely give gratitude to companies that makes better products at better price.
And do you know how few people buy x3d versions of AMD CPUs? Tiny, tiny percent. Intel still own CPU market with crappy products... sigh...

Corporates and OEMs, their inertia props up Intel.

 

[rluker5]

are you sure about that ? can you prove it ? cause no one will know, at all, for at last 6 months, if 13th and 14th gen are fixed, or if the new ultra ( 15th gen ???? ) will or will not have the same issues....

either way, no one i know, is risking their money on buy intel now, at all, they have all gone with amd, and will probably stay with amd for 2-3 years cause if the issues with 13th and 14th gen, they just dont trust intel...

Can you prove the instability was widespread and wasn't just a tech media frenzy? Because outside of a few well publicized incidences and Puget System's refutation of the widespread issue, things have been silent.

If it really is widespread then there should be a steady stream of failures. If there isn't then it was a tech media tall tale.

 

[rluker5]

Corporates and OEMs, their inertia props up Intel.

That is who Arrow Lake is made for. It is a lot easier to get good performance out of in an office/oem type build.

 

[stuff and nonesense]

That is who Arrow Lake is made for. It is a lot easier to get good performance out of in an office/oem type build.

At work I use a workstation class laptop.. it’s ok nothing special. The admin staff, many more of those, use base level laptops. You could give the admin staff a potato cpu and they wouldn’t care. So long as word, outlook and maybe excel run well they don’t care.
For the workstation tasks I design kit and prepare drawings, some circuit simulation plus word, excel and outlook….

Nothing there needs intel or AMD, just AMD64. The software people, neither Intel or AMD is better. A lot of tasks are run in a browser, inventory for example, again no “Intel special sauce” required. The company is a large multinational.

That there are no non-Intel parts is inertia and familiarity.

 

[rluker5]

What is the deal lately with Tom's titles for articles lately?
This one: "

AMD's desktop PC market share skyrockets amid Intel's Raptor Lake crashing scandal — AMD makes biggest leap in recent history"​

is followed by an article that shows AMD floundering around 2022 levels of market share that are about a third of Intel's. I was astonished to learn that AMD is lagging so far behind considering what every tech news outlet is telling you.

The title is wildly misleading.

Maybe just short sighted clickbait, maybe the editor is under sone pressure to promote AMD from someone further up so they can't complain about it and just have to undermine the credibility of the site.

Their 9800X3D is the fastest gaming CPU by a decent margin, but I'm stuck not needing more than my 13900kf for a few years since it doesn't have any issue with low minimum frames. It would improve my GPU limited framerate about as much as getting a gen 5 SSD.

 

[stuff and nonesense]

Can you prove the instability was widespread and wasn't just a tech media frenzy? Because outside of a few well publicized incidences and Puget System's refutation of the widespread issue, things have been silent.

If it really is widespread then there should be a steady stream of failures. If there isn't then it was a tech media tall tale.

Intel acknowledged the problems eventually. They acknowledged the problems after blaming motherboard manufacturers, Nvidia drivers/software, long standing code used for decompression, users for overclocking, the janitor for locking the door the wrong way etc etc..

Puget use a custom puget setup and they had increased in the field failures, their intel affiliated boss tried to minimise the situation but…

You drew your conclusions. I won’t be recommending Intel to anyone I like.

 

[rluker5]

At work I use a workstation class laptop.. it’s ok nothing special. The admin staff, many more of those, use base level laptops. You could give the admin staff a potato cpu and they wouldn’t care. So long as word, outlook and maybe excel run well they don’t care.
For the workstation tasks I design kit and prepare drawings, some circuit simulation plus word, excel and outlook….

Nothing there needs intel or AMD, just AMD64. The software people, neither Intel or AMD is better. A lot of tasks are run in a browser, inventory for example, again no “Intel special sauce” required. The company is a large multinational.

That there are no non-Intel parts is inertia and familiarity.

At work we use some PCs for the same: MS Office and web based tasks, and a bunch of hardware control terminals that run off of Windows and need very little resources. Our oldest factory control software runs quite well on Pentium 4s with 1/2 to 1GB ram and a 32GB IDE HDD.
I'm also the only one in my family (other than my daughter with a hand me down) that has anything more than a basic OEM type PC. My sister just has a phone.

Makes you wonder why the sales are still as good as they are.

 

[Ogotai]

Can you prove the instability was widespread and wasn't just a tech media frenzy? Because outside of a few well publicized incidences and Puget System's refutation of the widespread issue, things have been silent.

If it really is widespread then there should be a steady stream of failures. If there isn't then it was a tech media tall tale.

i guess you did see all the posts, or other sites that covered it.. like stuff anc nonsense also mentioned...

 

[rluker5]

Intel acknowledged the problems eventually. They acknowledged the problems after blaming motherboard manufacturers, Nvidia drivers/software, long standing code used for decompression, users for overclocking, the janitor for locking the door the wrong way etc etc..

Puget use a custom puget setup and they had increased in the field failures, their intel affiliated boss tried to minimise the situation but…

You drew your conclusions. I won’t be recommending Intel to anyone I like.

Intel did deal with the voltage problem because it did increase the risk of early failures. And it was receiving a lot of publicity. But the reports of problems suspiciously ceased as if there weren't any more. Not having any more problems with most bioses not fixed is impossible with widespread and persistent failures. 0% =/= 100%

As far as Puget, here is a link to their article: https://www.pugetsystems.com/blog/2...-perspective-on-intel-cpu-instability-issues/ And how is the Puget boss more Intel affiliated than AMD affiliated? I haven't heard anything on the matter.