Anker Precision laser gaming mouse. 8000dpi

[casualcolors]

You really got me, man. I simply like it with high DPI! 8000 DPI sounds cool, isn't it? I know that most of the players think 8000 DPI is totally unnessesary, I would say, why not? Using an 8000 DPI mouse will be extremely cool, and since DPI setting is separate from the movement speed, I'll stick to it with 8000 DPI till Razer releases its Ouroboros with even higher DPI, if the price is reasonable. Pretty sorry that I didn't manage to post a review on this product 🙁

Well, my only reason to the "why not" is that mice which achieve 8000dpi at this point are by default laser mice, which lends them to certain inherent acceleration issues that often cannot be rendered completely neutral even through aggressive software. Otherwise, I agree with you why not but I also have to wonder why it's become a marketable feature, when it's well over the threshold of usability and particularly why gamers continue to allow it to be a marketable feature. If gamers stopped buying things with useless features, there is the slim chance that companies might abandon wasted development time creating these features, and perhaps work on more pertinent features. It's sad that as we head into 2013, there is only one sensor on the market that can claim to actually have zero native flaws (and it only appears in a couple of mice on top of that).

 

[AntiZig]

so the conclusion is, you need 8k dpi because it's "cool." Heh, not the reason I was hoping to hear.

casualcolors, if you don't mind me asking which sensor are you referring to?

 

[casualcolors]

so the conclusion is, you need 8k dpi because it's "cool." Heh, not the reason I was hoping to hear.

casualcolors, if you don't mind me asking which sensor are you referring to?

S3095 SROM v2

 

[HEXiT]

the 1 from the g400? its ok but not that great... it has severe prediction no where near as good as the sensor in the anker. you really do need to look up how prediction is used. higher dpi means smaller spaces between the read points and its between the read points that prediction is made. so with a combo of high dpi and high poll rate prediction is minimized. like i said in the review its not even noticeable.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1054231/my-logitech-g400-review
you can see here the prdiction is quite bad on the g400. although some dont care about it as it helps you track straight in fps games. whats poor about the g400 is its purely down to the software to limit the prediction not the quality of the sensor.
sorry cas i think your mistaken on this 1. avango offer much better sensors than the s3095
http://www.overclock.net/t/854100/gaming-sensor-list/520 some software based testing. at higher dpi the mouse sufferes negative acceleration and the fact that the dpi is interpolated really doesnt work in its favor... still its a great mouse for a good price. but the anker is better.

 

[casualcolors]

the 1 from the g400? its ok but not that great... it has severe prediction no where near as good as the sensor in the anker. you really do need to look up how prediction is used. higher dpi means smaller spaces between the read points and its between the read points that prediction is made. so with a combo of high dpi and high poll rate prediction is minimized. like i said in the review its no where near as bad as the g400.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1054231/my-logitech-g400-review
you can see here the prdiction is quite bad on the g400. although some dont care about it as it helps you track straight in fps games. whats poor about the g400 is its purely down to the software to limit the prediction not the quality of the sensor.
sorry cas i think your mistaken on this 1. avango offer much better sensors than the s3095
http://www.overclock.net/t/854100/gaming-sensor-list/520 some software based testing. at higher dpi the mouse sufferes negative acceleration and the fact that the dpi is interpolated really doesnt work in its favor... still its a great mouse for a good price. but the anker is better.

SROM v2 has zero prediction. Those prediction tests are from the outdated G400's that were phased out midway through 2012. You're right though that the *old* G400's with SROM v1 had serious prediction. Like way bad.

On a side note, I do like other sensors from Avago but every other zero prediction/zero accel sensor from them has the potential to produce jitters on certain surfaces. The new G400 is the only implementation of a zero accel/zero prediction avago sensor that currently works universally.

 

[HEXiT]

look further down he got the mouse that had the prediction free and this cause the negative acceleration.

So Today I've received G400 prediction free sample.

I have read on logitech forums one of representative comments.
According to him G400 sensor Avago ADNS-S3095 has two native dpi resolutions 800 and 3600, the rest is interpolated.

I've tested both and it seems that 3600 dpi is no good on any surfaces. As soon as 2m/s speed is hit the mouse suffer negative acceleration.
On 800 dpi setting it tracks flawless even with 4m/s, but notice that glass pad produce some minor inconsistencies.

i know you love the g400 for its great performance at the price but there are limits to what il accept for the money. and now its getting out performed by a better mouse.
the fact is the anker can select its dpi in steps of 200 as well as being interpolated by the speed slider so by its very definition the sensor is more precise with less a chance of prediction being a factor.
logitech fixed the prediction issue with programming but the fact is its still a mouse with heavy prediction regardless of what the hype says.

 

[casualcolors]

look further down he got the mouse that had the prediction fix and this cause the negative acceleration.

So Today I've received G400 prediction free sample.

I have read on logitech forums one of representative comments.
According to him G400 sensor Avago ADNS-S3095 has two native dpi resolutions 800 and 3600, the rest is interpolated.

I've tested both and it seems that 3600 dpi is no good on any surfaces. As soon as 2m/s speed is hit the mouse suffer negative acceleration.
On 800 dpi setting it tracks flawless even with 4m/s, but notice that glass pad produce some minor inconsistencies.

I'll look into it further. So far that's the first report of negative accel that I've seen on that sensor, but that would go to sort of prove my point further. If that sensor also now has a testable defect, then there are no flawless zero accel/zero prediction sensors on the market, which draws the wasted research into higher DPI's into rather stark relief, wouldn't you say? What is the point of continuing to increase DPI to the point where no one can actually use the newly advertised speeds, when we don't even have a sensor on the market that is capable of basic, proper operation?

 

[casualcolors]

look further down he got the mouse that had the prediction free and this cause the negative acceleration.

So Today I've received G400 prediction free sample.

I have read on logitech forums one of representative comments.
According to him G400 sensor Avago ADNS-S3095 has two native dpi resolutions 800 and 3600, the rest is interpolated.

I've tested both and it seems that 3600 dpi is no good on any surfaces. As soon as 2m/s speed is hit the mouse suffer negative acceleration.
On 800 dpi setting it tracks flawless even with 4m/s, but notice that glass pad produce some minor inconsistencies.

i know you love the g400 for its great performance at the price but there are limits to what il accept for the money. and now its getting out performed by a better mouse.
the fact is the anker can select its dpi in steps of 200 as well as being interpolated by the speed slider so by its very definition the sensor is more precise with less a chance of prediction being a factor.
logitech fixed the prediction issue with programming but the fact is its still a mouse with heavy prediction regardless of what the hype says.

No, it's not a mouse with heavy prediction. It's apparently now a mouse with negative acceleration at 3600 cpi. Negative acceleration is different than prediction. You're transposing the terms you mean to use, I think.

 

[HEXiT]

i know there isnt a sensor on the market thats flawless. thats why some are better than others. the g400 is a good mouse for the money but there are better out there that use better sensors is what im getting at. and just because a mouse has 8000dpi doesnt mean it will be automatically better or worse than the g400's...
thats the point of testing... as for the research im not exactly sure what research your refering to so i cant comment. all i can do is comment on my experiance. not on something i have read.
in this case i have no issues with the ankers 8000dpi sensor other than it doesnt step to the rate i would like. other than that it has limited prediction and very good acceleration management.
not being funny here guy but i did test it myself, and as far as i know you havent... so i can fairly compare the 2. while all you can do is speculate.

 

[casualcolors]

i know there isnt a sensor on the market thats flawless.

That was the point of my question. Why continue to develop these higher and higher dpi mice when no one can use sensitivities that high, and there isn't a sensor on the market that does all of the basics correctly?

I'm not stepping on this mouse that you're backing, I'm asking a relatively unrelated question, directed at someone else entirely. Relax.

 

[HEXiT]

thing is. your sensor may be 8000dpi and may travel directly in relation to each pixel on the screen. but when you halve the mouse speed your introducing something called interpolation you effectively halve the dpi you have. so a mouse that can only manage 200dpi steps can manage 3200/1800 because it cant manage directly 1600/900 you then halve the mouse speed and you have an effective dpi of 1600/900 and an effective screen ratio of 16/9 you can work out 16/10 screen ratios as well.

take the mouse up to 6400/3600 and quarter the mouse speed you still get an effective 1600/900 but you halve the prediction as prediction as far as i know is based on dpi to poll rate not mouse speed. this in itself can make a poor sensor give up and start showing signs of acceleration while at the same time make the mouse pointer jittery. but because this 1 has a higher still rated sensor it doesn't become jittery and i haven't noticed any negative or positive acceleration. so even though you may be resistant about higher and higher dpi. there is a reason for it. but as you can see its quite difficult to explain and more so to the leyman.

the above is just my idea of why they are going higher and higher and may just be a product of my dyslexia but i have experimented with it on this and other mice (rat 7 and lachesis) and it does seem to work (to a point with both of them mice) and up to to 6400 with this 1.
i may not have the formal education of some on here but i also see things differently. i may not be able to get my ideas across in words properly due to my dyslexia but it doesn't mean there incorrect. there just different. i know most people i have explained this to suddenly go AH! rite, and still have a blank look on there face but i found it to work on the mice i tried it on, and i assume, its the reason behind such high dpi sensors. to give more lea way with the interpolation maths.

 

[casualcolors]

thing is. your sensor may be 8000dpi and may travel directly in relation to each pixel on the screen. but when you halve the mouse speed your introducing something called interpolation you effectively halve the dpi you have. so a mouse that can only manage 200dpi steps can manage 3200/1800 because it cant manage directly 1600/900 you then halve the mouse speed and you have an effective dpi of 1600/900 and an effective screen ratio of 16/9 you can work out 16/10 screen ratios as well.

take the mouse up to 6400/3600 and quarter the mouse speed you still get an effective 1600/900 but you halve the prediction as prediction as far as i know is based on dpi to poll rate not mouse speed. this in itself can make a poor sensor give up and start showing signs of acceleration while at the same time make the mouse pointer jittery. but because this 1 has a higher still rated sensor it doesn't become jittery and i haven't noticed any negative or positive acceleration. so even though you may be resistant about higher and higher dpi. there is a reason for it. but as you can see its quite difficult to explain and more so to the leyman.

the above is just my idea of why they are going higher and higher and may just be a product of my dyslexia but i have experimented with it on this and other mice (rat 7 and lachesis) and it does seem to work (to a point with both of them mice) and up to to 6400 with this 1.
i may not have the formal education of some on here but i also see things differently. i may not be able to get my ideas across in words properly due to my dyslexia but it doesn't mean there incorrect. there just different. i know most people i have explained this to suddenly go AH! rite, and still have a blank look on there face but i found it to work on the mice i tried it on, and i assume, its the reason behind such high dpi sensors. to give more lea way with the interpolation maths.

This is a pretty interesting idea, but so far I'm not seeing any real-world improvement in terms of jitter, acceleration and negative accel, and so on. Every new generation of mice that release seem to have varying degrees of all of the above problems sadly, without much change. I'd like to see some tangible results for a change.

 

[HEXiT]

all i can say is try it yourself. if you dont like it give it to some1 who will.
i ran some tests on it today.
setting the dpi to 3200/1800first, then 6400/3600 and then 8000/4600 then i reduced the speed by half then half again and half again and each time became more convinced that its a good sensor the prediction became less and less apparent as the higher i got, and if there was any acceleration it also lessened i really couldnt tell if there was any 1s i set it to off anyway. but as you know its never really off and although 8000/4600 isnt quite a 16-9 ratio the mouse still performed. so well i even used the pencil in paint where i would normally just use a brush with aa enabled. to do the checks the higher i went the smoother the curves got.
simple tests like draw a line, draw a box draw a circel and then draw a 4 pixel circle all were grade A passes...
seriously the only thing this mouse hasnt got is gaming rep and to be honest that is gonna come and come soon. it really does deserve every accolade its getting. its passed every test i have throw at it with an A+ and its low price is more a reflection on anker being new to the gaming scene and no reflection of the performance of the mouse... seriously cas this mouse is as good as any current best seller and better than some.
so please i know you want to find fault but really this is as good as it gets with current hardware. it may not have the bells and whistles of some mice that use the same sensor but it easily matches them in performance control and well worth the 30 bux there asking for it... i really cant stress how good it is. for the money its a steal.
i havent even mentioned it programmability, things like on the fly macro creation and such are just a bonus the more i use it the more impressed i am by it and im not just saying this because they gave me 1 to try im saying it because i really am that impressed as i think you would be 2... so mate lets just end this here. if you can get your hands on 1 then give it the time it deserves and im sure you will be pleasantly surprised as i was. its not often a newcomer can impress me but anker have...


p.s i feel i have gotta say thanx to you cas. you have really helped me express my opinions and thoughts on this mouse. if you hadnt of opend up the debate the way you did a lot of information would have went unsaid. thanx you have helped make this review interesting as well as informative..

 

[casualcolors]

all i can say is try it yourself. if you dont like it give it to some1 who will.

Ah, I'm pretty content with my current mouse. Fortunately the mousepad that I like to use doesn't produce any jitter in the sensor which has been its one fault on some surfaces. I'm more speaking in general about the peripheral industry as a whole. I can tell you the biggest feature that impresses me with the Anker from looking at it, is that the LMB and RMB are separated from the topshell. I think that is a far superior way of building mice, and I wish everyone would universally go back to doing it.

 

[yolandayang]

Hi

Damn its not available at UK Amazon 🙁

All the best Brett

i just find it on amazon.co.uk. It's available now.
Merry Christmas!

 

[HEXiT]

thanx for the update.

 

[Brett928S2]

i just find it on amazon.co.uk. It's available now.
Merry Christmas!

Hi

Yayyyyy,,, just ordered at £19.99 ...

Thank you very much

All the best Brett

 

[KruSion]

Thinking of buying this mouse, but wanted to ask if it's still working as it was on day after a full year? Are the buttons still working, the sensitivity etc. ? Thanks

 

[Kasp Orio]

Hey Ive had this mouse for about a year. I use it for gaming, BF4 mostly.

Good things, looks good on your mouse mat, has a good cord too and long. I really like the DPI lights and the colours you can change, its a work of art.

The problems are the positions the buttons, the thumb ones you cant reach with comfort unless you have giant hands., also the middle buttons are too small and again not really in reach, the 2 main pads are fine, but there lacks that certain quality click i feel.. I don't really enjoy the shape, its not good for longtime gaming, its basically too bulky and the corrogated thumb support looks nice, but corrugated rubber is hard to clean and the grime catches all around the 3 buttons and sticky mouse is a killer in FPS with the 3 differant types of plastic they use

imo 5/10 a poor imitation of the real thing, I paid £30 i think, but you get what you pay for, Aye its OK, but for serious gaming and quickie use of all buttons don't buy this. The programmable features software is not easy to understand either, its not been thought out very well.

OK, came across this as i was browsing for settings for macros because the interface is rubbish i'm just not happy with how i'm playing and i'm blaming my mouse at the moment lol

 

[HEXiT]

sadly the mouse i had didnt last that long.
it had a bit of a rough ride on the way to me from china. arriving in what looked to be, an egg-shaped, 1s might have been a box at some time in its life, ball of sticky tape...
after review i gave it to a mate as his mouse died.
about 18 months later.
this review sample died as a result of what i consider a possible design flaw...
the mousewheel was made of uv reactive plastic so it could light up the whole of the wheel evenly...
but plastic can be brittle if its constantly flexing and as a result the scroll wheel sheered at the join of the spindle to the wheel drum.

THE END.

 

[bigjoe980]

I know this is several years old and all, but I just wanted to mention mine is still running strong, and I got it pretty much right after it released. My wife ruined the mouse wheel click-button though (She tends to push it at an angle, which made the right side of the wheel mount-slot thing bend. It still scrolls fine though... For the record, it's a very thin slab of plastic, same as most. So, who do I blame honestly? My wife.) Other than that, still 100% as when I bought it.

Well, okay, I lied. the glue/tack for holding down the thumb space rubber has gotten wimpy with age, which isn't surprising, nor anybodies fault other than time itself.

I would say at the price, it's been damn good - As long as you properly click the mouse wheel down.

 

[HEXiT]

glad to hear you got a reasonable life out of such a cheap mouse. i have had others that are way more expensive that broke long before the anker mouse did..
the second mouse they sent (the cheaper 1) has been flawless. and still works today... so overall they get a decent for the money, review.