ANN: pinball.enthusiast.newsgroup

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On Mon, 05 Sep, Kenbo wrote:
> I've seen groups like this and they always seem to end up squashing
> conversations that aren't popular.

Time will tell.

> For example, I visit several tractor boards. One of them has
> moderators and they all own Kubota tractors. Anyone who reports a
> problem or complains about a Kubota get's belittled and driven off the
> board. By the moderators! Absolute power corrupts absolutely. I don't
> bother with that board anymore.

Well, all the moderators of this group don't own the same brand of pinball
machines.

Why condemn it to failure until you try it? Not every moderated group is
bad. Not even close, IMHO.


--Donnie

--
Donnie Barnes http://www.donniebarnes.com 879. V.

 

[Paul]

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I tinkered with setting up a web-based forum a few years ago, and was
told in no uncertain terms that it probably wouldnt be used. So gave up
on that idea

It's down to people. Some like NG's. Some like Web-based. Each to their
own, and to what they are used to.

Paul

Donnie Barnes wrote:
>
>
> It's not a private group, though. It's simply a group where hate spewing
> won't be tolerated. Conflicting opinions will be. Pinball topics will be.
> Off topic stuff probably won't be. Being a jerk to other folks won't be.
>
> Personally, I'd prefer the same group to have setup a web forum instead of
> another news server. Easier to administer and easier for most people to
> use. More features, too (like email notification on thread replies if you
> want them, inline pictures, private messaging, etc). I'm very much in
> favor of the idea, but I probably won't check it since it's another NNTP
> server and I'm not an Outlook Express user (and never will be).
>
>
> --Donnie
>

 

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Sounds like a great idea.

It's too bad that many will feel the need
to shoot it down without even a chance.

Well, I'm in at least until I'm thrown out.

--
Fred
TX
CARGPB#8
******************






"pinballnewsgroups.com" <postmaster@pinballnewsgroups.com> wrote in message news:E6-dnYZoDNTD2IbeRVn-2Q@comcast.com...
> anyone can participate so long as they are positive and constructive in the
> group ... open to all
>
>

 

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Can't get away from the critics who tell the truth about shitty
vendors and ebay ripoffs? Want to make sure your audience doesn't know
about your scams?

Then you need to form your own group where no one is allowed to tell
the truth.

The great lie. (If you believe it, I have some mirror goosed pinballs
I'd like to sell you.)

Fortunately, I don't need to tell you to go away, you've already done
that.

I don't intend to visit -- I don't believe Gene or Gary or any other
of the people who say they're going to do something and don't do
anything except call the lawyers.

I don't believe you.
I don't believe in your good intentions.


Jim



On 4 Sep 2005 12:36:02 -0700, "metallik" <lscott@dlptech.com> wrote:

>Yet another attempt to moderate/control/censor RGP.
>
>Count me out. This group right here is the best.
>
>
>pinballnewsgroups.com wrote:
>> Subject: ANN: Launch of pinball.enthusiast.group Newsgroup

 

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On Mon, 05 Sep, Kenbo wrote:
> They never are, as long as you agree with the moderators.

Or when they have moderate moderators.


--Donnie

--
Donnie Barnes http://www.donniebarnes.com 879. V.

 

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I would say that the attempt would be to monitor than to moderate. If people
keep a positive and constructive tone and don't go far away from the
guidelines, then quite frankly there is no need to moderate.

 

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Manic wrote:
> I think there are already more than enough informative posts over
> here... I for one sure don't have time to check yet another group.

Not trying to be a smart aleck. If you are not interested or do not
have the time why are you responding to this topic numerous times? Just
curious.


> Let's keep the info, tips, reviews and fussing in ONE place.

Who made you king of the playground I want reviews in MORE than ONE
place.

 

[manic]

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So who are you and who will be the "moderators"? This is
the second time I've asked. Seems like a simple and
appropriate question.



"pinballnewsgroups.com" <postmaster@pinballnewsgroups.com> wrote in message
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> I would say that the attempt would be to monitor than to moderate. If people
> keep a positive and constructive tone and don't go far away from the
> guidelines, then quite frankly there is no need to moderate.
>
>

 

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I'm a moderator. As is Cliffy- he mentioned his status in the other group.
There's 4 or 5 others. I'll let the others speak for themselves if they
wish (not sure what the etiqutte is with the group yet).

Looks to be a good fun group. The more pinball, the merrier!

Ray J.
--
Action Pinball & Amusement, LLC
Salt Lake City, Utah USA
Web: www.actionpinball.com

We're serious about pinball. Anything else is just for fun!



"Manic" <manicmusicREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:603Te.13170$B34.9311@trnddc09...
> So who are you and who will be the "moderators"? This is
> the second time I've asked. Seems like a simple and
> appropriate question.
>
>
>
> "pinballnewsgroups.com" <postmaster@pinballnewsgroups.com> wrote in
message
> news:wY2dnUfCN_0GFoHeRVn-2g@comcast.com...
> > I would say that the attempt would be to monitor than to moderate. If
people
> > keep a positive and constructive tone and don't go far away from the
> > guidelines, then quite frankly there is no need to moderate.
> >
> >
>
>

 

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It was suggested the moderators identify themselves, if they wish. I'm one.
LTG

"Ray Johnson - Action Pinball" <staff@actionpinball.com> wrote in message
news:xPWdnWvdn-OPRYHeRVn-pA@aros.net...
> I'm a moderator. As is Cliffy- he mentioned his status in the other
group.
> There's 4 or 5 others. I'll let the others speak for themselves if they
> wish (not sure what the etiqutte is with the group yet).
>
> Looks to be a good fun group. The more pinball, the merrier!
>
> Ray J.
> --
> Action Pinball & Amusement, LLC
> Salt Lake City, Utah USA
> Web: www.actionpinball.com
>
> We're serious about pinball. Anything else is just for fun!

 

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"Ray Johnson - Action Pinball" <staff@actionpinball.com> wrote in
news:xPWdnWvdn-OPRYHeRVn-pA@aros.net:

> I'm a moderator. As is Cliffy- he mentioned his status in the other
> group. There's 4 or 5 others. I'll let the others speak for
> themselves if they wish (not sure what the etiqutte is with the group
> yet).
>
> Looks to be a good fun group. The more pinball, the merrier!
>
> Ray J.
> --
> Action Pinball & Amusement, LLC
> Salt Lake City, Utah USA
> Web: www.actionpinball.com
>
> We're serious about pinball. Anything else is just for fun!
>
>
>
> "Manic" <manicmusicREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:603Te.13170$B34.9311@trnddc09...
>> So who are you and who will be the "moderators"? This is
>> the second time I've asked. Seems like a simple and
>> appropriate question.
>>
>>
>>
>> "pinballnewsgroups.com" <postmaster@pinballnewsgroups.com> wrote in
> message
>> news:wY2dnUfCN_0GFoHeRVn-2g@comcast.com...
>> > I would say that the attempt would be to monitor than to moderate.
>> > If
> people
>> > keep a positive and constructive tone and don't go far away from
>> > the guidelines, then quite frankly there is no need to moderate.
>> >
Sounds good, this is web-based? How do you get to it? I lost the original
posts...

 

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www.pinballnewsgroups.com LTG

"raptor68_428" <raptor68_428_nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96C8EBF4B1F49raptor68428@207.217.125.201...

> Sounds good, this is web-based? How do you get to it? I lost the original
> posts...

 

[manic]

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"Mark Salas" <msalas@salascorp.com> wrote in message
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>
> Manic wrote:
> > I think there are already more than enough informative posts over
> > here... I for one sure don't have time to check yet another group.
>
> Not trying to be a smart aleck. If you are not interested or do not
> have the time why are you responding to this topic numerous times? Just
> curious.

Well since you are curious I never said I wasn't interested... and since
this is the one group I like to come to I'll probably keep checking the
thread.

>
>
> > Let's keep the info, tips, reviews and fussing in ONE place.
>
> Who made you king of the playground I want reviews in MORE than ONE
> place.


That's what makes the world go round - have fun.

 

[Nomad]

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>From my brief observations this weekend I can sum up my feelings on the
new forum in 3 words: Too much Gary

nomad

 

[Guest]

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The use of a private news server is a big strike against this
suggestion. In the light of recent events it's not too hard to imagine
the hosting server(s) becoming inaccessible due to various forms of
natural (or man-made) disasters. Usenet being a distributed entity
doesn't suffer from these failure scenarios. Additionally, you lose
access via public archives (such as Google).

If you feel a moderated group is really necessary then create
rec.games.pinball.moderated via the standard RFC mechanism; I'd be
surprised if you couldn't get enough votes.

Joseph "Tony" Dziedzic

 

[pt]

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This idea of a moderated forum pops up from time to time and eventually
the conventional wisdom pushes it back under a rock. A few years ago
(as a newbee) I even started a thread suggesting a moderated newsgroup
(because of a certain troll poster before Gary's time). What I was
suggesting was a "moderated usenet newsgroup" not a "moderated web
forum" - big difference. I have since seen the light that moderators
are a bad thing. They lead to group think and huge moderator egos.

Despite the misleading text of the announcement at the top of this
thread; PINBALL.ENTHUSIAST.NEWSGROUP IS NOT REALLY A NEWSGROUP!! It
could go away or be reset tomorrow and all historical posts would be
lost forever. RGP IS A NEWSGROUP ON THE USENET and will remain cached
on Google until the end of time. For those of you who don't know the
difference between a "web forum" and a "usenet newsgroup" I suggest you
study up. On the surface they appear similar, but they are completely
different.

RGP is actually quite civil compared to most unmoderated forums and
newsgroups. Pinball people are good people for the most part. Sure
there are debates and different points of view, but very rarely hate is
spewed. Those threads are easily ignored anyway.

Fortunately this will work itself out in the end as the initial
interest in this alternate to RGP falls off and it is all but
forgotten. Unfortunately any informative posts and tech help will be
lost forever when it goes away.

>new forum in 3 words: Too much Gary

If that is the case then I wish the new moderated web based forum all
the luck in the world! Just post your tech questions and help over
here in RGP, so they will be cached by google (Gary doesn't care about
tech posts anyway).

John

 

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>It's not a private group, though. It's simply a group where hate spewing
>won't be tolerated. Conflicting opinions will be. Pinball topics will be.
>Off topic stuff probably won't be. Being a jerk to other folks won't be.

Who says so? some "group" of people decide who stays and who goes. No
thanks.

This all starts with good intentions and then something happens and
good people get tossed and the ones who have control moderate to their
"standards".

Kirb

 

[Guest]

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By the way, exactly WHO is running pinballnewsgroups.com? The Whois
record is quite amusing:

Registrant Contact:
Whois Privacy Protection Service, Inc.
Whois Agent (yhmbmqnm@whoisprivacyprotect.com)
+1.4252740657
Fax: +1.4256960234
PMB 368, 14150 NE 20th St - F1
C/O pinballnewsgroups.com
Bellevue, WA 98007
US

Care to reveal your identity?

Joseph "Tony" Dziedzic

 

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So I heard about this on Saturday, and have thought about it a bit over
the weekend. I've come to the conclusion that while this idea may sound
good on paper I don't think it will work in implementation.

Over at the Chicago Pinball Mafia we have a forum and I don't get much
time to check that... and I'm one of the founders over there. I can't
see myself having time to check a thrid place to go.

I also don't like the idea of moderation. I think it's going to end the
laid back atmosphere that most of us enjoy from the friendships we have
here. For example when we post the TGOM reviews it has the disclaimer
that these things are intenitonally juvenile. I can see moderators
filtering out tons of valid opinions because we might feel strongly
enough about that opinion that some preacher's wife would take offense.
I also don't like moderation because some of the people who are in
charge of filtering out posts don't know who I am. Is it really fair to
me for a moderator to say "screw wollfy Lloyd can offer tech help" and
not have my assistance posted? I can see this happening in a moderated
group more than anyone would like to believe.

So from my stand point... any new web pages, tech help, reviews, or just
love for the game... I'll keep it real and keep it at RGP. You'll never
get to the real guts of the game if you make sure everything is 100%
sugar coded and approved by big brother.

-wolffy


Lloyd Olson wrote:
> www.pinballnewsgroups.com LTG
>
> "raptor68_428" <raptor68_428_nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns96C8EBF4B1F49raptor68428@207.217.125.201...
>
>
>>Sounds good, this is web-based? How do you get to it? I lost the original
>>posts...
>
>
>

 

[Guest]

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>I'm a moderator. As is Cliffy- he mentioned his status in the other group.
>There's 4 or 5 others.

Are you guys gonna have 3 or 4 hour long chat room meetings?

 

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On 6 Sep 2005 09:40:39 -0700, "PT" <zeecarr1@earthlink.net> wrote:

[...]

>RGP is actually quite civil compared to most unmoderated forums and
>newsgroups. Pinball people are good people for the most part. Sure
>there are debates and different points of view, but very rarely hate is
>spewed. Those threads are easily ignored anyway.

Judicious use of the killfile turns RGP into a very civil newsgroup.

 

[Guest]

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Actually, it is a newsgroup, hosted on an NNTP server, and has a web
interface similar to google groups

I don't mind visiting both myself, but that's my choice.

-

http://www.myhomegameroom.com


PT wrote:
> This idea of a moderated forum pops up from time to time and eventually
> the conventional wisdom pushes it back under a rock. A few years ago
> (as a newbee) I even started a thread suggesting a moderated newsgroup
> (because of a certain troll poster before Gary's time). What I was
> suggesting was a "moderated usenet newsgroup" not a "moderated web
> forum" - big difference. I have since seen the light that moderators
> are a bad thing. They lead to group think and huge moderator egos.
>
> Despite the misleading text of the announcement at the top of this
> thread; PINBALL.ENTHUSIAST.NEWSGROUP IS NOT REALLY A NEWSGROUP!! It
> could go away or be reset tomorrow and all historical posts would be
> lost forever. RGP IS A NEWSGROUP ON THE USENET and will remain cached
> on Google until the end of time. For those of you who don't know the
> difference between a "web forum" and a "usenet newsgroup" I suggest you
> study up. On the surface they appear similar, but they are completely
> different.
>
> RGP is actually quite civil compared to most unmoderated forums and
> newsgroups. Pinball people are good people for the most part. Sure
> there are debates and different points of view, but very rarely hate is
> spewed. Those threads are easily ignored anyway.
>
> Fortunately this will work itself out in the end as the initial
> interest in this alternate to RGP falls off and it is all but
> forgotten. Unfortunately any informative posts and tech help will be
> lost forever when it goes away.
>
>
>>new forum in 3 words: Too much Gary
>
>
> If that is the case then I wish the new moderated web based forum all
> the luck in the world! Just post your tech questions and help over
> here in RGP, so they will be cached by google (Gary doesn't care about
> tech posts anyway).
>
> John
>

 

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That isn't the intent of the group Wollfy. You of all people should know
that. You are wanted to post and help. But it is meant to avoid some of the
endless tirades and attacks. Of which you have suffered here, and even left
a few times. LTG

"Wolffy" <sendnospamto_wolffy@gaspar.net> wrote in message
news:BfCdnenKtNUtKIDeRVn-vg@speakeasy.net...

Is it really fair to
> me for a moderator to say "screw wollfy Lloyd can offer tech help" and
> not have my assistance posted? I can see this happening in a moderated
> group more than anyone would like to believe.
>
> So from my stand point... any new web pages, tech help, reviews, or just
> love for the game... I'll keep it real and keep it at RGP. You'll never
> get to the real guts of the game if you make sure everything is 100%
> sugar coded and approved by big brother.
>
> -wolffy

 

[Guest]

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It's monitored, not really moderated, which in many cases means a review per
message before posting. In either event, as with usenet newsgroups, it's
freedom of choice as with the other forums setup. It was setup to address a
particular problem, and I'm sure everyone can see faults with every other
mechanism to bring communities of people together, so to me more is not so
bad.

"PT" <zeecarr1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:1126024839.115651.207160@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> This idea of a moderated forum pops up from time to time and eventually
> the conventional wisdom pushes it back under a rock. A few years ago
> (as a newbee) I even started a thread suggesting a moderated newsgroup
> (because of a certain troll poster before Gary's time). What I was
> suggesting was a "moderated usenet newsgroup" not a "moderated web
> forum" - big difference. I have since seen the light that moderators
> are a bad thing. They lead to group think and huge moderator egos.
>
> Despite the misleading text of the announcement at the top of this
> thread; PINBALL.ENTHUSIAST.NEWSGROUP IS NOT REALLY A NEWSGROUP!! It
> could go away or be reset tomorrow and all historical posts would be
> lost forever. RGP IS A NEWSGROUP ON THE USENET and will remain cached
> on Google until the end of time. For those of you who don't know the
> difference between a "web forum" and a "usenet newsgroup" I suggest you
> study up. On the surface they appear similar, but they are completely
> different.
>
> RGP is actually quite civil compared to most unmoderated forums and
> newsgroups. Pinball people are good people for the most part. Sure
> there are debates and different points of view, but very rarely hate is
> spewed. Those threads are easily ignored anyway.
>
> Fortunately this will work itself out in the end as the initial
> interest in this alternate to RGP falls off and it is all but
> forgotten. Unfortunately any informative posts and tech help will be
> lost forever when it goes away.
>
>>new forum in 3 words: Too much Gary
>
> If that is the case then I wish the new moderated web based forum all
> the luck in the world! Just post your tech questions and help over
> here in RGP, so they will be cached by google (Gary doesn't care about
> tech posts anyway).
>
> John
>

 

[Guest]

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we will have public archives, that is not really a large problem. Seems my
usenet server goes down alot, as well as have lost posts as well.
Additionally, it's monitored more than moderated, there are a set of
guidelines, the only difference is that in this group more accountability is
available. Again, it's a choice that everyone can make, isn't it?

"Joseph 'Tony' Dziedzic" <tonydz@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1126024791.428494.180960@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> The use of a private news server is a big strike against this
> suggestion. In the light of recent events it's not too hard to imagine
> the hosting server(s) becoming inaccessible due to various forms of
> natural (or man-made) disasters. Usenet being a distributed entity
> doesn't suffer from these failure scenarios. Additionally, you lose
> access via public archives (such as Google).
>
> If you feel a moderated group is really necessary then create
> rec.games.pinball.moderated via the standard RFC mechanism; I'd be
> surprised if you couldn't get enough votes.
>
> Joseph "Tony" Dziedzic
>