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On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 11:31:28 -0400, Reg LeCrisp <x@x.x> wrote:


>I don't think its very crowded. I think people are just clumped up
>at the same hunting spots these days. I see real newbies from time
>to time and I try to be friendly but they rarely stay around past the
>first free month. Fact is UO has been hemorrhaging subscribers for
>months now. I would be very surprised if they have even 150,000
>anymore.
>
The shards were over crowded to start with. They are just now
down to the useable level, IMO.

>Why do you think they're doing this big promotional giveaway
>with all the mini artifacts? And the soulstone fragments?
>All these promotions are doing is letting them hold on to some
>of the veteran accounts. They certainly aren't attracting newbs.
>
>Reg LeCrisp - Atlantic

Keeping the veterans (from a business point of view) is more important
than attracting 10 newbies that only two will stay. Its that way with
all on-line games, not just UO. UO is now 8 years old, and still not
in any "real" danger of shutting down any time soon.

Why "fix" what is not broken? UO fits the old gamers saying;
There is more too a good game than flashy graphics.

Just MHO,

Ice
 
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"Ice" <nobody@noplace.com> wrote in message
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>
> Keeping the veterans (from a business point of view) is more important
> than attracting 10 newbies that only two will stay. Its that way with
> all on-line games, not just UO. UO is now 8 years old, and still not
> in any "real" danger of shutting down any time soon.
>
> Why "fix" what is not broken? UO fits the old gamers saying;
> There is more too a good game than flashy graphics.
>
> Just MHO,
>
I regularly see, and help, newbies - I probably see about 20 a month, of
which probably about 5 or 6 stick around for more than three months.
I would love to see a new client - I mainly use the 2D one, for several
reasons. The 3D one demands more of my PC, and even on a 'good' machine, I
suffer more lag because of it. Granted, this would be even more true of a
new 3D client, but as long as the 2D client has a fair-sized following,
there's not much point in changing. 2Ders tend to have the advantage over
3Ders in terms of PvP, PKing, grabbing items from the ground/loot/rare
spawns, etc. If you stock a vendor in 3D, it's a given that it will look
messy to the 2Ders. etc.

However, would a new, all bells and whistles client, really do any more than
the events to draw and keep new players? (or old players, for that matter)
For a short while, it would be 'new and improved', but that wears off fairly
quickly. There would be a new bucket full of bugs, as with any new program,
people would have something new to complain about, etc. I don't think that
simply creating a new client would do any more to draw and keep people than
the Samurai Empire expansion did.

Are people really more likely to stick around because they can see the
nose-hairs on an orc than if they can only see dragon scales after the
dragon is dead and skinned? A new client is needed, but as a tool to draw
and keep people? I don't think so. What happens when the next 'wow, look at
the pretty graphics' online game comes along, or someone gets a decent VR
helmet working with online games? Another new client? I'd rather see the
developers work on putting real content into the game, and fixing the ton of
bugs that exist, than constantly chasing new technology. Just my humble
opinion.
 
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"Alergic Alchemist" <allyTchemist@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I regularly see, and help, newbies - I probably see about 20 a month, of
> which probably about 5 or 6 stick around for more than three months.
> I would love to see a new client - I mainly use the 2D one, for several
> reasons. The 3D one demands more of my PC, and even on a 'good' machine, I
> suffer more lag because of it. Granted, this would be even more true of a
> new 3D client, but as long as the 2D client has a fair-sized following,
> there's not much point in changing. 2Ders tend to have the advantage over
> 3Ders in terms of PvP, PKing, grabbing items from the ground/loot/rare
> spawns, etc. If you stock a vendor in 3D, it's a given that it will look
> messy to the 2Ders. etc.

Not if you use the old backpack option in the interface menu.
>
> However, would a new, all bells and whistles client, really do any more
> than the events to draw and keep new players? (or old players, for that
> matter)
> For a short while, it would be 'new and improved', but that wears off
> fairly quickly. There would be a new bucket full of bugs, as with any new
> program, people would have something new to complain about, etc. I don't
> think that simply creating a new client would do any more to draw and keep
> people than the Samurai Empire expansion did.
>
> Are people really more likely to stick around because they can see the
> nose-hairs on an orc than if they can only see dragon scales after the
> dragon is dead and skinned? A new client is needed, but as a tool to draw
> and keep people? I don't think so. What happens when the next 'wow, look
> at the pretty graphics' online game comes along, or someone gets a decent
> VR helmet working with online games? Another new client? I'd rather see
> the developers work on putting real content into the game, and fixing the
> ton of bugs that exist, than constantly chasing new technology. Just my
> humble opinion.
>
I agree with you and Ice that gameplay should be the deciding factor. Sadly,
it seems that many judge a game by its flashiness and smart graphics.
Perhaps although it is bad for business, it is actually good for the
existing players if we don't attract too many of that crowd!

I only use 3d for the bigger backpacks (and object handles when 2d didn't
have them). Some of the spell effects are quite good, but I could live
without them. If I go paragon hunting, I switch to 2d for the distinctive
coloured monsters, and because of the extra 3d lag, even on my fast machine.
Strangely, when AOS first came out it was said by those in Doom that 3d
players had an advantage in looting the Bone Daemon, though I've no definite
proof.

Archeon
 
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"Ice" <nobody@noplace.com> wrote in message
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> I know they are real newbies because of the questions they ask.

This means nothing honey. Remember when Windsor Fox boasted on this very
board of how he got a free mount, 1million in gold, runebook etc because he
acted like a noob by asking questions like how do you recall?

I never thought you would be this gullible Ice. Does this mean you support
scammers like your Friend, Windsor Fox?
 
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"Ice" <nobody@noplace.com> wrote in message
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>
> Why "fix" what is not broken? UO fits the old gamers saying;
> There is more too a good game than flashy graphics.

Ice we know you are fan girl for UO.

But if this is indeed true, "Why fix what is not broken"

Why do you think UO had to completely revamp the combat skills and loot with
all the stuff in the current game? A far cry from the usual, Might, Power
and Vanquishing weapons huh?
 
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On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 23:16:16 -0500, "Reg LeCrisp" <x@x.com> wrote:

>
>"Ice" <nobody@noplace.com> wrote in message
>news:td34519gplv485akb4n14rvhjp6qrj1m4m@4ax.com...
>>
>> Why "fix" what is not broken? UO fits the old gamers saying;
>> There is more too a good game than flashy graphics.
>
>Ice we know you are fan girl for UO.
>
>But if this is indeed true, "Why fix what is not broken"
>
>Why do you think UO had to completely revamp the combat skills and loot with
>all the stuff in the current game? A far cry from the usual, Might, Power
>and Vanquishing weapons huh?
>
We were talking about "graphics". There has been and still is
lots of things in UO that need to be fixed, but graphics is way
down the list, IMHO.

Ice
 
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On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 23:16:16 -0500, "Reg LeCrisp" <x@x.com> wrote:


>Ice we know you are fan girl for UO.

You just showed the "noob" that your are. Ice, a UO "fan girl"?
You have not been around long have you? Ask Ralph K. if Ice
is a UO "fan girl".

Ice
 
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On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 00:23:16 -0500, Ice <nobody@noplace.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 23:16:16 -0500, "Reg LeCrisp" <x@x.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Ice we know you are fan girl for UO.
>
>You just showed the "noob" that your are. Ice, a UO "fan girl"?
>You have not been around long have you? Ask Ralph K. if Ice
>is a UO "fan girl".
>
>Ice

Of course, you realize that the comcast Reg is the bogus one.

--
Michael Cecil
http://home.comcast.net/~macecil/
http://home.comcast.net/~safehex/
 
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"Michael Cecil" <macecil@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> Of course, you realize that the comcast Reg is the bogus one.

Who or what is the bogus one? Is there some patent here with names? Do you
think out of the billions of net users across the globe that there is only
one unique handle of "Michael Cecil", or "Ice". Get off your high horse
Mikey.

Ice is at least mature enough to answer the question without worrying about
handles. As far as Ice, Yes Ice you got me there. You were an avid basher
of Koster but back in those days your main gripe was the pk's. Was it not?

btw Ice, I really think you are gonna love SWG with that new computer of
yours. Wanna join me?
 
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On Sat, 9 Apr 2005 02:23:44 -0500, "Reg LeCrisp" <x@x.com> wrote:

>
>"Michael Cecil" <macecil@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:fore51hirtpahssbb5v48ouprhq1t3jje8@4ax.com...
>
>>
>> Of course, you realize that the comcast Reg is the bogus one.
>
>Who or what is the bogus one? Is there some patent here with names? Do you
>think out of the billions of net users across the globe that there is only
>one unique handle of "Michael Cecil", or "Ice". Get off your high horse
>Mikey.
>
>Ice is at least mature enough to answer the question without worrying about
>handles. As far as Ice, Yes Ice you got me there. You were an avid basher
>of Koster but back in those days your main gripe was the pk's. Was it not?
>
>btw Ice, I really think you are gonna love SWG with that new computer of
>yours. Wanna join me?
>
If I remember correctly, Koster had something to do with SWG.
I would not play another Koster game even if I could play 3D games.
Koster is one of the biggest jerks that ever walked. He almost killed
UO. If they had not got him out when they did, there would be
no UO now.

But then that is why you said that. Just to push my buttons.

I have a feeling I know who you are now. Its a shame you don't
just use your old handle, and stop bugging Reg LeCrisp. You just
love pushing buttons. I still feel sorry for people that have to
aggravate other people to get their kicks. Its sick.

Ice
 
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On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 02:37:32 -0500, Ice <nobody@noplace.com> wrote:

>But then that is why you said that. Just to push my buttons.
>
>I have a feeling I know who you are now. Its a shame you don't
>just use your old handle, and stop bugging Reg LeCrisp. You just
>love pushing buttons. I still feel sorry for people that have to
>aggravate other people to get their kicks. Its sick.

Each time you respond to him, the troll, he wins. Please just ignore him
or set up a filter like I did long ago. People like him are not worth a
second thought.

--
Michael Cecil
http://home.comcast.net/~macecil/
http://home.comcast.net/~safehex/
 
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"Ice" <nobody@noplace.com> wrote in message
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>>

> But then that is why you said that. Just to push my buttons.

Koster was the developer for SWG at one time but is no longer. I agree with
you somewhat. UO and SWG have changed drastically since Koster left the day
to day design decisons to someone else. I just think you will like SWG
because it has a lot of the features that made UO great, but only prettier.
I know you hate 3D, but SWG is far from Doom Tunnel vision.
 
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"Michael Cecil" <macecil@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 02:37:32 -0500, Ice <nobody@noplace.com> wrote:

>
> Each time you respond to him, the troll, he wins. Please just ignore him
> or set up a filter like I did long ago. People like him are not worth a
> second thought.

I think Ice is a big girl. She can handle herself well. You like bossing
people around, huh?
 
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"Ice" <nobody@noplace.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 9 Apr 2005 02:23:44 -0500, "Reg LeCrisp" <x@x.com> wrote:
>
> I have a feeling I know who you are now. Its a shame you don't
> just use your old handle, and stop bugging Reg LeCrisp. You just
> love pushing buttons. I still feel sorry for people that have to
> aggravate other people to get their kicks. Its sick.

I couldn't think of one. Do you have a name suggestion?
 
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On Sat, 9 Apr 2005 02:23:44 -0500, "Reg LeCrisp" <x@x.com> wrote:

>
>"Michael Cecil" <macecil@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:fore51hirtpahssbb5v48ouprhq1t3jje8@4ax.com...
>
>>
>> Of course, you realize that the comcast Reg is the bogus one.
>
>Who or what is the bogus one? Is there some patent here with names? Do you
>think out of the billions of net users across the globe that there is only
>one unique handle of "Michael Cecil", or "Ice". Get off your high horse
>Mikey.
>
>Ice is at least mature enough to answer the question without worrying about
>handles. As far as Ice, Yes Ice you got me there. You were an avid basher
>of Koster but back in those days your main gripe was the pk's. Was it not?
>
>btw Ice, I really think you are gonna love SWG with that new computer of
>yours. Wanna join me?
>

You're a pathetic internet stalker who appropriates handles when they
find themselves on everyone's ignore list. Go back to your your other
channels where the community is large enough that your trollish posts
blend in and aren't so obvious to everyone that sees them.

Reg LeCrisp - Atlantic
 
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On Sat, 9 Apr 2005 03:48:05 -0500, "Reg LeCrisp" <x@x.com> wrote:

>
>"Ice" <nobody@noplace.com> wrote in message
>news:ru0f51dk1sirbdqsvjb3ng29qu8fqgq41d@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 9 Apr 2005 02:23:44 -0500, "Reg LeCrisp" <x@x.com> wrote:
>>
>> I have a feeling I know who you are now. Its a shame you don't
>> just use your old handle, and stop bugging Reg LeCrisp. You just
>> love pushing buttons. I still feel sorry for people that have to
>> aggravate other people to get their kicks. Its sick.
>
>I couldn't think of one. Do you have a name suggestion?
>

How about Dedwud?

Reg LeCrisp - Atlantic
 
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On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 02:44:50 -0500, Michael Cecil
<macecil@comcast.net> wrote:

> Please just ignore him or set up a filter like I did long ago.

You mean like:

* score:100 *Reg LeCrisp*
* score:-50 Message-ID: *@4ax.com^
* drop:score 100

Until stupid starts forging from a Sympatico account, using NewsProxy
means never having to read his tripe.

--
Paleontologists recently announced they have
discovered when Man first discovered language:
Just after he invented the hammer and nail.

And it was BAD language.
 
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"Reg LeCrisp" <x@x.x> wrote in message
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>>
>>I couldn't think of one. Do you have a name suggestion?
>>
>
> How about Dedwud?


I like Reg better. How bout you change yours and stop impersonating me?
 
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I'm Amezed ppl are still playing this game with all of the new game that are
out there this days
It is true that UO game had and still has the best content
but as far as graphics, lag and aSsHolLes the game is way far behind.
 
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On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 12:49:24 +0200, "point" <umic144@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>I'm Amezed ppl are still playing this game with all of the new game that are
>out there this days
>It is true that UO game had and still has the best content
>but as far as graphics, lag and aSsHolLes the game is way far behind.

Haven't played in awhile, have you?

The Lag Monster has retired to Florida, most "1337' players have moved
to newer games, and the graphics while not outstanding by today's
standards are workable.
--
Paleontologists recently announced they have
discovered when Man first discovered language:
Just after he invented the hammer and nail.

And it was BAD language.
 
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"point" <umic144@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> I'm Amezed ppl are still playing this game with all of the new game
> that are out there this days
> It is true that UO game had and still has the best content
> but as far as graphics, lag and aSsHolLes the game is way far behind.

Havent tried the couple hundred free servers out there? No lag, no crowds,
and with abit of searching you can find one with no @$$holes. Well,
actually, everyone has their own preferences so its probably more truthful
to say that you can find one that only has your own brand of @$$holes.

The one I play on is all adults, no PKilling, almost no PvP, and lots of
surprises that actually manage to NOT break the game. But we still have
some kids come in that find out there is no griefing, yell @$$HOLES and
leaves. Apparently they were looking for the shards I was yelling the same
thing. :)

Gandalf Parker
-- Hey my wife loves me playing Ultima Online.
I get to pack-rat, try my hand at making things, visit other peoples
junk sales, kill & skin animals... all the things she hates me doing in
our garage.
 
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