Anyone thinking about getting the quadfx(4x4)

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Yes I will buy! If I had the means to buy one.Because from what I read it would be pretty expensive.Not on the processors but on the whole setup itself. If its pretty fast then why not? Its pretty geekish to be closed-minded.

But even though I can already afford to buy one of course I'd read THG first and check its benchmarks then decide
 
Huh? thats bullcrap. The number of VM instances you can have isn't tied to how many physical cpu sockets you have. Thats what the V in VM stands for... Virtual.

Even on a single cpu system you could have 999 concurrent VMs each running their own VS2005 instance if you want. The performance would likely suck but you could do it.


Sounds like you just answered your own question. The perf would suck.
 
I thought they would be posting reviews of the quadfx, since its supposedly coming out soon, Be nice if they could bring cheaper dual core x2,s or the opteron equivilant. That would make for a compelling platform.
 
Logainofhades, i see you have the rosewill psu, i have the same one and it is reaaly quiet ,reliable, and cheap. i dont think a lot of people know that rosewill actually nakes a pretty gos psu, How is yours working out?
 
For the desktop it is. It was done once before around 10 years ago. Removing the server necessities definitely is. Everyone knows ECC is slower and more expensive and you don't need PCI-X to play FEAR.
Actually no. Up until the p4 you could use any p3 chips on a dual socket motherboard. And you only needed ecc/reg memory if you were maxing out the mobo's capacity. So no it wasn't 10 years ago and you didn't need special cpus and there were quite a number of reasonably priced 2 socket boards out then, even for a desktop/workstation.

So again, no I don't see anything "innovative" at all in AMD's 4x4 and all the gimmic and catch phrases won't change that. You're still going to need special cpus to populate the board. I'd rather just put the money into an already tested and mature Opteron platform if I just "so desperately needed 2 sockets".

Now if they brought out a 2 socket AM2 platform and enabled the necessary HT links in their AM2 chips so you could throw any cpus in there, they might have something. It would make more of an impact than what 4x4 is going to do. But as the 4x4 is now it's a trimmed down workstation/server board.

It's funny, you would think AMD would've been able to sell the idea to more than one mobo company (Asus). I think that should tell you something right there. Yeah, yeah AMD is "testing" the waters with this product, sure. When you're testing something you don't come out and claim it's the best thing since Jr. Chocolate Mints.

But as much as I despise people in the advertisement/marketing industry, I have to give AMD's spin doctors credit. They seem to almost make the claim that a 2 socket motherboard has never been in existance until the 4x4 came around, without actually saying it.
 
Huh? thats bullcrap. The number of VM instances you can have isn't tied to how many physical cpu sockets you have. Thats what the V in VM stands for... Virtual.

Even on a single cpu system you could have 999 concurrent VMs each running their own VS2005 instance if you want. The performance would likely suck but you could do it.


Sounds like you just answered your own question. The perf would suck.

He didn't ask a question, he point out the idiocy when you said

I do dev work and use VMs. Having two sockets means twice as many VMs and VS 2005 instances. Some people need SLI, I need dual sockets.

Doubling the sockets does not double your VM instances.... you were unclear and, based on the statement above, incorrect.


So you're saying that more cores ISN'T EQUAL more perf for VMs? I assume then that you think little of what C2Q could do over Core 2 in terms of running VMs?
 
problem with waiting for vista is that only ultimate premium and entrepise will work properly with dual socket mobos/cpus

Actually Vista Business supports 2 sockets(upgrade from XP). The Enterprise version is only for Volume licensing and adds data encryption.
 
Huh? thats bullcrap. The number of VM instances you can have isn't tied to how many physical cpu sockets you have. Thats what the V in VM stands for... Virtual.

Even on a single cpu system you could have 999 concurrent VMs each running their own VS2005 instance if you want. The performance would likely suck but you could do it.


Sounds like you just answered your own question. The perf would suck.

He didn't ask a question, he point out the idiocy when you said

I do dev work and use VMs. Having two sockets means twice as many VMs and VS 2005 instances. Some people need SLI, I need dual sockets.

Doubling the sockets does not double your VM instances.... you were unclear and, based on the statement above, incorrect.


So you're saying that more cores ISN'T EQUAL more perf for VMs? I assume then that you think little of what C2Q could do over Core 2 in terms of running VMs?

Nope, that his not what I am saying.... if you read your message it implies that you are wanting dual socket because it enables more VMs, you stated nothing about performance. You were called on this, you then corrected yourself, but your original message was misleading, as is most all of your posting.

please. What would I have meant? That two sockets causes heat blooms that enable RUNNING MORE SIMULTANEOUS VMs?

If you are testing a website you need multiple clients running at the same time against the server. In order to get "closer" to single client speed it helps to have either more cores or more faster cores.

The way Virtual Server works you can assign MAX %CPU to each VM. If you need to stay above 25% MAX then with a dual core that means 4 VMs(the OS needs a whole core), but with four cores you can have 12VMs running at 25% MAX.

Just like any APP VMs need adequate RAM, that's where Vista X64 comes in, I can run 2 servers at 1GB and 4 IE clients at 256MB. I hope they do decide to allow 2GB sticks in later revs because I really need 8GB but don't want to pay for 8GB ECC.
 
To make a system like this u need $x$!

I see no way a Core2 Quad beating this is in Games if the 4x4 use 4 grafix Cards.

Two FX CPUS: $1500
4 DX10 Cards: $2000
Mobo: $400

You're almost at four grand and you don't have any RAM or HDs yet. If I gotta spend this type of cash to have fun, it's gonna have long blonde hair and a rack! :lol:


2 FX CPUs $800-900(FX70)
4 DX 10 cards - $800 ( high end cards won't fit - the 4 slots are for 8 monitors)
2 DX10 cards - $750-900 (I won't buy until the mid range cards come out - **but wait, I don't want SLI)
**1 DX10 card $400
MOBO - $300-400(same price as SLI C2Q)

I figure a barebones w/add-ons will be about $2500-3000.
 
2 FX CPUs $800-900(FX70)
http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/11/10/amd_4by4_details/
4x4 won't touch the anticipated $800 - $900 price range.

4 DX 10 cards - $800 ( high end cards won't fit - the 4 slots are for 8 monitors)
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mainboards/display/asus-p5w64-ws.html
Please meet ASUS P5W64 WS Professional Wall Street Quartet mainboard on i975X chipset that features four PCI-Express x16 slots that can accommodate four graphics cards and hence allow connecting 8 monitors to the system. More details in our review!

MOBO - $300-400(same price as SLI C2Q)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813188009
Same as SLI C2Q?
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4963
U.S. distributors claim the ASUS L1N64-SLI WS will have an MSRP of $480 without bundles, but the street price will probably be much less.
 
[/img]Huh? thats bullcrap. The number of VM instances you can have isn't tied to how many physical cpu sockets you have. Thats what the V in VM stands for... Virtual.

Even on a single cpu system you could have 999 concurrent VMs each running their own VS2005 instance if you want. The performance would likely suck but you could do it.


Sounds like you just answered your own question. The perf would suck.

He didn't ask a question, he point out the idiocy when you said

I do dev work and use VMs. Having two sockets means twice as many VMs and VS 2005 instances. Some people need SLI, I need dual sockets.

Doubling the sockets does not double your VM instances.... you were unclear and, based on the statement above, incorrect.


So you're saying that more cores ISN'T EQUAL more perf for VMs? I assume then that you think little of what C2Q could do over Core 2 in terms of running VMs?

Nope, that his not what I am saying.... if you read your message it implies that you are wanting dual socket because it enables more VMs, you stated nothing about performance. You were called on this, you then corrected yourself, but your original message was misleading, as is most all of your posting.

please. What would I have meant? That two sockets causes heat blooms that enable RUNNING MORE SIMULTANEOUS VMs?

If you are testing a website you need multiple clients running at the same time against the server. In order to get "closer" to single client speed it helps to have either more cores or more faster cores.

The way Virtual Server works you can assign MAX %CPU to each VM. If you need to stay above 25% MAX then with a dual core that means 4 VMs(the OS needs a whole core), but with four cores you can have 12VMs running at 25% MAX.

Just like any APP VMs need adequate RAM, that's where Vista X64 comes in, I can run 2 servers at 1GB and 4 IE clients at 256MB. I hope they do decide to allow 2GB sticks in later revs because I really need 8GB but don't want to pay for 8GB ECC.

What you mean and what you said were two different things, there have been several cases where you have changed your tune once the actual information was explained to you.... for all I know you actually think 2 sockest does double the total number of VMs.

You said nothing about performance, the fella who called you on it did not ask a question, though you arrogantly assumed he did and arrogantly responded with crap as you always do.....

You know nothing about computing... why do you even try.

...and more to the point, his original assertion was that he needed multiple sockets because he runs VMs.

Hes' now trying to validate the argument by using misdirection into a discussion about multiple cores giving better performance which is a no-brainer.

My earlier point was about his understanding of sockets not cores.
Of course multple cores would help, but that doesn't mean you need 2 sockets as per his original statement. Assuming no clock/core-type differences, 1 quadcore cpu on a 1 socket mobo would be exactly the same (if not faster) than 2 dual core cpus on a dual-socket mobo.
 
Bad design. They had to get something/anything out quick to try and stop the marketing damage being caused by Intel's core 2.

Its a quick-and-dirty hack job and not a good technical solution. If I was looking to buy a cpu/mobo soon I'd definately go with intel.
What he said... word for word.

Core 2 wasn't a "knee-jerk" why is QuadFX? It still won't use much more power than Opteron 2xxx. There are SLI 2xxx systems. Are Intel fans threatened by AMD innovation?


no, they are threatened by the shear power of c2d. Seen any benchies of your 4x4? Its delayed and delayed, due to the fact, they cant even match c2d, much less beat it. Intel has a heavy hitter this time round, just like the k7/amd did to intel a few bits back.

Its how the ball rolls, and Amd aint getting it back in their court for a bit.

BUT, I do think they will get it back. AMD has come from nothing and shitty k6-2 garbage to the mega corporation they are today. They know what they are doing. They just under estimated what billions of dollars aka intel, can do, once they know the shoes on the other foot. The second k7 hit, intel invested everything into the core, 3 archs later, of garbage and warped temps and shitty netburst, intel is on the scene with so much more than a rehash of old arch. The Core is here to stay and if AMd wants to step up, they better drop bomb, and forget about this quad father 4x4 bullshit. Whats it gonna take 4x4x4x4 to beat a fucking single e6400? bullshit if you ask me. get the ball rolling swallow your defeat/pride, and lets seee what AMd can do.

I for one hope they prevail, cause AMD rocks, but enough of the garbage already, they are beat plain and simple and some stupid rehash of dated tech/arch glue'in cores on cores isn't gonna save them now, just like it didn't save intel.

Besides, in the long run, we the consumer benefit. So.

LETS GET IT ON.
 
If you watch long enough, you will be able to recognize several categories of posts, that is, recurring styles which Baron makes. They have recurred frequently enough that I have my own little “pet” names for several of them. A few of these are:
“Tangential segue”
“Redefinably vague”
“Defensively counter accusatory”
For example, a typical Baron tactic, when confronted by irrefutable proof, is to attempt to “segue tangentially” by driving the argument at a different point in order to divert attention from his error. This is one of my favorites and occurs regularly enough. Watch for it.
Another to watch for is the “vague-redefinition”. Baron will make some statement which will lean very clearly in a specific direction, yet remain vague enough as to not constitute what one could call “prosecutable evidence”. He will argue his point until proven indisputably wrong, then he will simply say, “That’s not what I meant”, or “I meant what you said, your just to ingnorant to understand how I was saying it”.
The “defensively counter accusatory” tactic is simple, and recurs frequently. In many instances when proven wrong, he will simply state he is not wrong, and cast aspersions at the counter-data, or an individuals interpretation of the data set, or the individual themself.

Classic use of all of the aforementioned tactics.
 
2 FX CPUs $800-900(FX70)
http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/11/10/amd_4by4_details/
4x4 won't touch the anticipated $800 - $900 price range.

4 DX 10 cards - $800 ( high end cards won't fit - the 4 slots are for 8 monitors)
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mainboards/display/asus-p5w64-ws.html
Please meet ASUS P5W64 WS Professional Wall Street Quartet mainboard on i975X chipset that features four PCI-Express x16 slots that can accommodate four graphics cards and hence allow connecting 8 monitors to the system. More details in our review!

MOBO - $300-400(same price as SLI C2Q)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813188009
Same as SLI C2Q?
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4963
U.S. distributors claim the ASUS L1N64-SLI WS will have an MSRP of $480 without bundles, but the street price will probably be much less.

Let us not fall into the trap of comparing malus with citrus. :lol:

FX-70 (2.6 GHz, 2 MB L2 cache)
FX-72 (2.8 GHz, 2 MB)
FX-74 (3.0 GHz, 2 MB)
FX-76 (3.2 GHz, 2 MB)

Now which one of these FXs is going to be a match for the QX6700 when doubled up on a 4x4 board? If AMD is going to price the FX-70 under $450 so that two can come in under the grand mark, are they going to do the same with the higher processors? Somehow, I don't think so. If they are going to plunk an FX-76 on the street for under $500, I'm gonna dump my Kentsfield expectation and line up at midnight outside the store along with all the virgin zit-faced nerds waiting for a PS3.

So the big question is:

2 x FX-70 = 1 x QX6700. True or False?
 
The FX-76 may acheive parity with QX6700, however, that will not be released for sometime yet.

OK, so what are the chances that the FX-76 is going to be priced below $500 at launch? About the same as Scarlett Johansson knocking on my door begging me to be her date at the Academy Awards! :lol:

Therefore, when I stated that a Kentsfield-similar pair of FXs would sell for about $1500 I may have been low!
 
I just hope that AMD's 4x4 does not turn out to be twice the price for 3/4 the performance of a QX6700.

I think that is looking more and more likely by the day. That could be a serious nail in the coffin for AMD's enthusiast aspirations. I've asked this before, but what in the name of insanity is going on inside AMD's board room? Are they all so dazzled by Mike Dell's money that they are writing off the enthusiast segment?
 
2 FX CPUs $800-900(FX70)
http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/11/10/amd_4by4_details/
4x4 won't touch the anticipated $800 - $900 price range.

4 DX 10 cards - $800 ( high end cards won't fit - the 4 slots are for 8 monitors)
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mainboards/display/asus-p5w64-ws.html
Please meet ASUS P5W64 WS Professional Wall Street Quartet mainboard on i975X chipset that features four PCI-Express x16 slots that can accommodate four graphics cards and hence allow connecting 8 monitors to the system. More details in our review!

MOBO - $300-400(same price as SLI C2Q)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813188009
Same as SLI C2Q?
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4963
U.S. distributors claim the ASUS L1N64-SLI WS will have an MSRP of $480 without bundles, but the street price will probably be much less.

Let us not fall into the trap of comparing malus with citrus. :lol:

FX-70 (2.6 GHz, 2 MB L2 cache)
FX-72 (2.8 GHz, 2 MB)
FX-74 (3.0 GHz, 2 MB)
FX-76 (3.2 GHz, 2 MB)

Now which one of these FXs is going to be a match for the QX6700 when doubled up on a 4x4 board? If AMD is going to price the FX-70 under $450 so that two can come in under the grand mark, are they going to do the same with the higher processors? Somehow, I don't think so. If they are going to plunk an FX-76 on the street for under $500, I'm gonna dump my Kentsfield expectation and line up at midnight outside the store along with all the virgin zit-faced nerds waiting for a PS3.

So the big question is:

2 x FX-70 = 1 x QX6700. True or False?


It's not a competition in my mind. It's also amazing that you guys are just looking for a rush and not a worthwhile system.

And no it will be the same as X6800 and fX62 in most things. My point is the upgrade from 4400+ to dual sockets. My 4400+ system cost me $3000 total after multimon and 4GB RAM.

I used to buy Intel but I don't now.
 
I just hope that AMD's 4x4 does not turn out to be twice the price for 3/4 the performance of a QX6700.

I think that is looking more and more likely by the day. That could be a serious nail in the coffin for AMD's enthusiast aspirations. I've asked this before, but what in the name of insanity is going on inside AMD's board room? Are they all so dazzled by Mike Dell's money that they are writing off the enthusiast segment?


AMD is interested first and foremost in server /HPC business. That's why everything will release for the server first. AMD is about 400MHz behind while for 2 years Intel was 1 GHz behind with NetBurst. WHen Barcelona debuts 60%+ faster than Opteron, Core 2 will need a refresh.

Truthfully I hope that AMD does catch but I also hope that they don't. As long as the PC is faster tomorrow than today, I'm happy.

Now it's coming out that the price war is deflating the CPU market so there are more important things than perf.