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no, they are threatened by the shear power of c2d. Seen any benchies of your 4x4? Its delayed and delayed, due to the fact, they cant even match c2d, much less beat it. Intel has a heavy hitter this time round, just like the k7/amd did to intel a few bits back.

Its how the ball rolls, and Amd aint getting it back in their court for a bit.
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So you either read minds or have an inside track to what AMD execs are thinking?

Keep thinking that. AMD has reported almost 80% growth in servers. That's what they want. They still own the high end.

I think you guys need hobbies.
 
...and more to the point, his original assertion was that he needed multiple sockets because he runs VMs.

Hes' now trying to validate the argument by using misdirection into a discussion about multiple cores giving better performance which is a no-brainer.

My earlier point was about his understanding of sockets not cores.
Of course multple cores would help, but that doesn't mean you need 2 sockets as per his original statement. Assuming no clock/core-type differences, 1 quadcore cpu on a 1 socket mobo would be exactly the same (if not faster) than 2 dual core cpus on a dual-socket mobo.
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We have come to expect no less (and no more) from our own BaronMatrix. He pulls this kind of crapolla often......

So just give him five stars and beat it.
 
AMD is interested first and foremost in server /HPC business. That's why everything will release for the server first. AMD is about 400MHz behind while for 2 years Intel was 1 GHz behind with NetBurst. WHen Barcelona debuts 60%+ faster than Opteron, Core 2 will need a refresh.

Truthfully I hope that AMD does catch but I also hope that they don't. As long as the PC is faster tomorrow than today, I'm happy.

Now it's coming out that the price war is deflating the CPU market so there are more important things than perf.
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exactly, their processors suck for all that I'm concerned. Since nobody cares about w/e they do business in, but they care about the processors and how they perform. And you are just complacent as long as its AMD, like I'm complacent as long its real butter. Actual performance doesn't fit with your type of character, like mine, no matter how much cheaper and better that fake butter is i wont buy it.
 
I'm aware most of you were embryos or less when this was going on but what is happening in the CPU field is a close approximation of the Golden Age of the Musclecar. In sheer ballsout horsepower Chev would pull ahead one year, Ford the next, Mopar the next. Back and forth it would go, each manufacturer topping the other over and over. The result was amazing performance gains in a very short time and everybody won. I've owned AMD and Intel CPUs. They have all been excellent performers. Yes, the personal computer is getting faster and that is the bottom line. Whether it's AMD/Intel or Chev/Ford/Mopar, the heated performance competition is the main object. Therefore we all win, AMD and Intel fanboys. The only real difference is that a $5000 Hemi Cuda will now fetch $2 million at auction while 30 years from now a $5000 PC will only be useful as a boat anchor. :lol:
 
I'm aware most of you were embryos or less when this was going on but what is happening in the CPU field is a close approximation of the Golden Age of the Musclecar. In sheer ballsout horsepower Chev would pull ahead one year, Ford the next, Mopar the next. Back and forth it would go, each manufacturer topping the other over and over. The result was amazing performance gains in a very short time and everybody won. I've owned AMD and Intel CPUs. They have all been excellent performers. Yes, the personal computer is getting faster and that is the bottom line. Whether it's AMD/Intel or Chev/Ford/Mopar, the heated performance competition is the main object. Therefore we all win, AMD and Intel fanboys. The only real difference is that a $5000 Hemi Cuda will now fetch $2 million at auction while 30 years from now a $5000 PC will only be useful as a boat anchor. :lol:
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68? L88(427) Vette fetch megabucks now too. Been awhile since i've seen what they draw, but they were the first musclecar fetching $100,000..except (AC [Shelby] Cobra 427). 😛
 
I am sure that Quad FX will have great performance, but the power requirements/ heat dissipation seem too high to make it worth getting. Especially for a guy like me who lives in a 120 degree F climate. I already have enough trouble keeping my old, hot FX 55 Clawhammer cool in the summer. :?
 
I am sure that Quad FX will have great performance, but the power requirements/ heat dissipation seem too high to make it worth getting. Especially for a guy like me who lives in a 120 degree F climate. I already have enough trouble keeping my old, hot FX 55 Clawhammer cool in the summer. :?
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Sounds like you should spend more money on a TEC/Phase-change setup, and upgrade less often. :?
 
Hey, Ninja! I finally found a photo of you!!! :lol:

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I can't believe I missed this... this is focking classic. Now could you get a picture of him as a black guy? :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
Hey, Ninja! I finally found a photo of you!!! :lol:

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I can't believe I missed this... this is focking classic. Now could you get a picture of him as a black guy? :lol: :lol: :lol:I'd like to see you "drifting" that Rolls/Bentley. 😛 hehehe, wouldn't that be a site? :wink:
 
I can't believe I missed this... this is focking classic. Now could you get a picture of him as a black guy? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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That's the least I can do for my future employer. I told you my resume is in the mail! :lol:

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68? L88(427) Vette fetch megabucks now too. Been awhile since i've seen what they draw, but they were the first musclecar fetching $100,000..except (AC [Shelby] Cobra 427). 😛
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Twist the knife why don't ya?

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Yeah, that's me. A much younger me, but still me. And that was my 1969 L71 435hp (10hp more than the L88). It's worth way over a hundred grand now. But of course like all the other fun things in my life, it's long gone... :cry:

Just noticed that it's spooky how the pose is the same as in the Poverty Sucks poster... :?
 
...and more to the point, his original assertion was that he needed multiple sockets because he runs VMs.

Hes' now trying to validate the argument by using misdirection into a discussion about multiple cores giving better performance which is a no-brainer.

My earlier point was about his understanding of sockets not cores.
Of course multple cores would help, but that doesn't mean you need 2 sockets as per his original statement. Assuming no clock/core-type differences, 1 quadcore cpu on a 1 socket mobo would be exactly the same (if not faster) than 2 dual core cpus on a dual-socket mobo.
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We have come to expect no less (and no more) from our own BaronMatrix. He pulls this kind of crapolla often......

So just give him five stars and beat it.

Done.

But I have my eye on you. I will call you on all crap.


As soon as you're actually right and not just trying to tow the Intel line, it may have some effect. Until then, try to impress someone else. You seem liek one of those old guys who can't let go of the past. Times change. Get used to it.
 
As soon as you're actually right and not just trying to tow the AMD line, you may actually gain some respect. Until then, try to impress someone else. You seem liek one of those old guys who can't let go of the past. Times change. Get used to it.
 
As soon as you're actually right and not just trying to tow the AMD line, you may actually gain some respect. Until then, try to impress someone else. You seem liek one of those old guys who can't let go of the past. Times change. Get used to it.
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But I'm always right. Always. That's what you can't stand.
 
I skimmed over all the replies, so if this has been brought up or debunked, forgive me and correct me. This isn't an ego trip.

First off, how many people here have ever run server hardware or at least dual socket mobos? (I think they are one in the same though till the 4x4 is released.)

As you can see by my tag, I'm running a dual socket system, and might I add, slow by most standards. Although it appears slow, I get a very good computing experience, including gaming (thanks to a good vid card). Multitasking is not an issue.

Now to my point. Each CPU will have its own memory controller for ram. Won't this basically double the throughput of data since there's 2 independent controllers for ram?

Even if C2Q is "faster", it couldn't handle the output vs 4x4 w/ 2 memory controllers (assuming the same amount and type of ram for a fair comparison). I guess its not a straight forward comparison of speed.



One other issue I'd like to bring up is cooling. I asked a question a while back (though no one remembers since it comes up now and again) if CPU makers will start producing 1st party liquid cooling set ups for CPUs. They've started doing this with video cards (at least in terms of buying the card out right), so why not CPUs?

At 125 watts of heat per CPU, thats a lot of heat put into the case. Even though I plan on doing liquid cooling, I wouldn't want to air cool these since you'd need pretty good air flow although I can see how it easily can be done. It'll just end up being a little loud which I don't want.

Right now, I have 2 prebuild liquid cooling systems (1 per cpu) to cool them down. Its probably overkill, but I think that if you're cooling 2 cpus and 1 or 2 GPUs, you'll need a decent size tank so that you will have cooling fluid avalible at all times. Otherwise, I wouldn't see too much trouble in building a cooling system, although for many of you, cooling 2 cpus will be a new adventure.


I guess we'll see if the 4x4s are worth it in about 2 weeks. 😀
 
Someone posted awhile back about the dual socket p3 motherboards, that could use any socket 370 cpu, i remember that to be true, i remember is was even a dream machine in maximum pc year back. I think amd could have based the quadfx on a am2 socket instead of making us buy almost everthing all over. It would have been cool to put my x2 4200 in a dual socket motherboard and add another for quad power. I still get the quadfx concept, and i think a lot of users will benefit from the quadfx. I like amd, i just wish they would start thinking more about its customers and stop being so erratic, Im still a little pissed about having to go from socket 939 to am2 in less than a year, and now they are talking about 4 new sockets in the next two years.
 
I can't believe I missed this... this is focking classic. Now could you get a picture of him as a black guy? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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That's the least I can do for my future employer. I told you my resume is in the mail! :lol:


Erhmm, in honor of my hiring you, I will recite this little poem that I heard while listening to the contemporary urban music station.

Veerom on a yamaha chromed out 11 hundred
wut im doin, gettin money, wut we doin, gettin money
wut they doin, hatin on me, but they neva cross
cash money still the company, and bitch im the boss
and i be stuntin like my daddy, stuntin like my daddy
stuntin like my daddy, i be stuntin like my daddy
im the, young stunna, stuntin like my daddy
stuntin like my daddy, i be stuntin like my daddy

Sorry, the ghetto comes out in me from time to time.
 
I skimmed over all the replies, so if this has been brought up or debunked, forgive me and correct me. This isn't an ego trip.

First off, how many people here have ever run server hardware or at least dual socket mobos? (I think they are one in the same though till the 4x4 is released.)

As you can see by my tag, I'm running a dual socket system, and might I add, slow by most standards. Although it appears slow, I get a very good computing experience, including gaming (thanks to a good vid card). Multitasking is not an issue.

Now to my point. Each CPU will have its own memory controller for ram. Won't this basically double the throughput of data since there's 2 independent controllers for ram?

Even if C2Q is "faster", it couldn't handle the output vs 4x4 w/ 2 memory controllers (assuming the same amount and type of ram for a fair comparison). I guess its not a straight forward comparison of speed.



One other issue I'd like to bring up is cooling. I asked a question a while back (though no one remembers since it comes up now and again) if CPU makers will start producing 1st party liquid cooling set ups for CPUs. They've started doing this with video cards (at least in terms of buying the card out right), so why not CPUs?

At 125 watts of heat per CPU, thats a lot of heat put into the case. Even though I plan on doing liquid cooling, I wouldn't want to air cool these since you'd need pretty good air flow although I can see how it easily can be done. It'll just end up being a little loud which I don't want.

Right now, I have 2 prebuild liquid cooling systems (1 per cpu) to cool them down. Its probably overkill, but I think that if you're cooling 2 cpus and 1 or 2 GPUs, you'll need a decent size tank so that you will have cooling fluid avalible at all times. Otherwise, I wouldn't see too much trouble in building a cooling system, although for many of you, cooling 2 cpus will be a new adventure.


I guess we'll see if the 4x4s are worth it in about 2 weeks. 😀
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Should be a treat to carry into a LAN party. 2P mobo,4-8 sticks RAM, Huge PSU, 2 or 3 high-end graphics cards,LCS with a couple 2x120mm rads, in a big case.....90 lbs.+ :wink:
 
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