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[citation][nom]daglesj[/nom]Expensive!Then you lose it on the bus![/citation]

Well I'm pretty sure that kind of computing power in 2-3 years won't cost more than today's iPhone/Android devices. Also, everything can potentially be lost anywhere. You can lose your phone but so can be your wallet, your jewels, your passport, your glasses, etc.
 
Apple is a lot like Facebook in that they have great ideas, and when they have the opportunity to stretch a bit further, they start fumbling with nonsense.
 
I guess we'll have to wait and see how it fairs when it's released. One thing is certain people will either fall in love with the OS or downright hate it.
 
Of course, Apple should know this: it seemingly created the "tablet" sector with the launch of the original iPad. And while there have been many Windows-based slates on the market for quite some time, Apple seemingly got the mixture right and hasn't looked back.

It took a lot of advancement in battery tech, better touch screens, and low power processors that had enough power to drive a tablet environment to get into a comfortable form factor. Apple was simply the first to realize that the technology was available and did a rather nice job of packaging it.


He also went on the criticize Windows 8 -- without actually naming the product -- for pulling all the leg weight of the PC market into the tablet space. "You wind up with something that's very similar to what tablets were 10 years ago," Cook said.

You don't get the tablets of 10 years ago even with Windows 7. The technology wasn't there to make the form factor of the current tablets 10 years ago. Also, if anything, Windows 8 seems more lightweight than Windows 7. Exactly what leg weight is it that he says is being carried over? Perhaps he's talking about the ability to run traditional PC programs on x86 Win 8 tablets. Seems like an advantage to me, but I can see where Apple would want to sell you another (tablet oriented) app to do the same thing.


"Apple doesn't try to smash the two together and we're not trying to do it ..."

Funny, that's exactly what I thought you were doing with the Phone and the Tablet. Sure they are both touch screen devices, but the form factors are still very different. That said, both Google and Apple proved it could be done.


"The use cases in technology stacks on phone and tablet are very different to desktop and laptop, as are the user expectations, and the types of things you do are also very different,"

I tend to see tablets as close to laptops than phones. Of course, this is probably because I find Asus' transformer series to be more functional/flexible than most and thus the most ideal tablets currently available. I find a keyboard is of great benefit when using a tablet as more than just a media consumption devices. A mouse doesn't hurt either (think precision work).


"... but in time there will be a seamless user experience across all the devices."

So the issue isn't the convergence of the UI, but rather the fact that MS is doing it abruptly rather than phasing it in over time?


Personally, I don't see the advantages of Windows 8 over Windows 7 on current desktops. However, it isn't necessarily inferior either. Once I get passed the learning curve, it seems more of a side step. The functionality is there. It's just different. However, different isn't necessarily better. To me, it is less attractive and I'm less proficient with it. For tablets, however, it is a definite step up in usability from their previous offerings. I'm really looking forward to a "transformer" style Windows 8 tablet that I can run some of my favorite software on.
The big question is going to be future PCs. It is my imagining that touchscreen monitors and all in one systems will get more popular due to the tablet boom. Microsoft seems to be in a good position to address this market with Windows 8. For a traditional PC setup, allowing for more customization of the UI would be beneficial. Metro UI doesn't necessarily need to go away, but a full screen of huge tiles isn't exactly efficient when using a precise pointer like a mouse. Even something as simple as adding a smaller list style view (think WP7 list) that leaves part of the the desktop visible would be of benefit. They could have it fold out (or back) to the right half of the screen when the windows button is pressed. An auto switch back to default Metro UI when undocked for tablets would also be nice. But I digress. Windows 8 may not be particularly targeted at the traditional desktop/laptop experience, but I wouldn't assume it will do as poorly as Vista either. Though I will go as far as to say it will do a lot better if touch screen devices catch on in PC environments.
 
The concept of the same OS for all your devices makes sense. As more of our data is stored in the cloud and more of our applications are provided over the web, it just makes sense that you would want to be able to do the same things across devices without having to learn about addtional OSs.

Using different hardware platforms would give you options for I/O device variation, but at some point in time, the power in a gaming PC will be on a phone or whatever we call personal devices at that point. Then you'll just have to attach your phone to your IO devices. Ultimately, rather than running the same OS on multiple pieces of hardware, we'll have one piece of hardware that does it all. I see this at about 10+ years out before someone will figure out how to harness the power of a gaming PC or video workstation into a personal device.
 
[citation][nom]amdfangirl[/nom]I can see the potential for a toaster refrigerator. You stick in slices of bread, it gets frozen. You attach tubs of spread (jam, honey, butter, etc.) and that gets refrigerated too. When you press a button the fridge makes you a toasted warm sandwich like a vending machine but better. Great for midnight snacks.Silly Tim Cook.[/citation]
If there is any to integrate Bacon or Beer into this machine, I would buy one.
 
Wow, hate to say it, but he is dead on.

It's the sentiment that has been in these forums for a long time. Microsoft needs to learn the "all inclusive" OS is just not a good methodology. They need to make a custom, tablet-centric OS specifically for tablets, and think of Windows 8 on Desktop as a touch-less interface. Metro UI seems like a sloppy interface to try and use with a mouse/keyboard, but will probably be great on tablets.

Go ahead and span the touch interface across tablets and phones Microsoft, but keep it off desktops!
 
Hey guys, Tim cook is right. There are hard decisions to make when you're buying tech product, like "Do I spend too much money on a macbook?" or "will I look like an annoying hipster with my iPhone?" or "What am I supposed to do on this iPad besides play touchscreen games, and watch movies anyways?"
 
[citation][nom]demonhorde665[/nom]screw tim cook, he's an apple employee , drinking his own puiss and calling it coolaid. as for you kevin parish what the hell did apple "seemingly" get right . they made a tablet that cost as much as a gaming pc (more than in some cases). while offering no where near the performance of a desktop or laptop at that price. you can get comparable android tablets for 250-400. only an i-idiot would buy an ipad. and even though i hate the idea of windows 8 metro on desk top , i do agree it makes a compelling interface for tablets[/citation]

He's right. They are bringing too much baggage from the desktop into the tablet space by making an all-in-one OS. I've had hands on experience with the new Windows 8 tablets already. The one thing I hate about this site is the rampant Apple hatred. Anything to do with Apple turns into an all out bash-fest with the most absurd statements being made. If you are going to hate on something... use some relevant and logical facts to back it up and not a bunch of horrible comparisons or an emotional rant. How can you compare an iPad to a gaming PC? They are totally different devices used for totally different things. When you compare to an Android tablet then you start making a relevant comparison, but you are still leaving things out. In order to get a decent Android tablet of comparable build quality you'd need to pay around to $400-$500. I own several Android devices and Apple devices. Trust me, I know.

Now get into the ecosystem, the apps, the device integration, and the software. They BOTH have their strengths and weaknesses but some people prefer Android over Apple, or vice versa. There is enough room in this industry for more than one ecosystem. Obviously Apple does not make a crap quality product because they have driven the entire industry for the last several years since the release of the first iPad. Everyone else has been scrambling for 2 years to emulate them. Apple products may not be right for you, but I we need something that can drive the entire industry to innovate. True competition makes companies strive for something more and benefits all of us in the long run. Just quit the blind hatred. Have some respect regardless of which side of the fence you are on.
 
Find it somewhat amusing that Cook is bashing this convergence when Apple is actively pushing towards "iOS everywhere."

Not that I disagree -- I think attempting to unify these spaces is a mistake when ANYONE does it. But there is a bit of the pot calling the kettle black here.
 
Let the downvotes begin, but I think Metro is a step up in UI design. Even for desktops. There are plenty of ways of getting the old UI back for those that really want it.

I just don't see why everyone is harping on on the missing Start menu. Do you people really just sit there scrolling through 100 programs in your All Programs tab every time you want to launch Photoshop or Firefox/Chrome? My daily use programs are all pinned to the taskbar. The rest are pinned to the Start menu. How is this different than Metro?

Are you people really trying to make the argument that clicking on a large thumbnail is somehow harder than clicking on an 18x18pixel icon with a from a menu?
 
[citation][nom]h4ndsome[/nom]Let the downvotes begin, but I think Metro is a step up in UI design. Even for desktops. There are plenty of ways of getting the old UI back for those that really want it. I just don't see why everyone is harping on on the missing Start menu. Do you people really just sit there scrolling through 100 programs in your All Programs tab every time you want to launch Photoshop or Firefox/Chrome?[/citation]

No, I use the start menu as a really great way to search for programs or system tools. Can't be bothered clicking through the control panel to get to device manager? Just type "device" and it will pop right up.
 
[citation][nom]aethm[/nom]Compatibility between devices is still important. Cook is wrong. Apple has always been about creating toys and Cook's strategy will probably work for Apple fans. I want to be able to run the same software on my tablet, notebook, and PC.[/citation]

Toys aside, you have a point with one OS you can run on a, I say, Pro oriented tablet, a powerful laptop and a workstation. For demanding professionals, IT staff, or for a workstation class PC or device. I would love to have a full OS running on all of them, including a tablet. But... for commercial use the computer works more as a specific device with specific use.

The point is MS is sacrificing the Pro use of their OS to the weakest mobile computer link and one is still a novelty. So, I am seated at my desk in front of a 27 screen, working in pro software with 16 to 24 cores CPUs but I will use a tablet oriented user interface? For demanding professionals W8 is a nightmare. But I will follow close to find out if at the end some of it has an advantage for what I do.
 
[citation][nom]kemtox[/nom]Well I'm pretty sure that kind of computing power in 2-3 years won't cost more than today's iPhone/Android devices. Also, everything can potentially be lost anywhere. You can lose your phone but so can be your wallet, your jewels, your passport, your glasses, etc.[/citation]
Nothing to worry about, the proximity sensor will warn you that your forgetting your device.
 
ill be so happy if apple and sony goes down and files a bankrupt petition... its only a dream but man i hate those companies, they got that stupid elitist attitude as if they are doing rocket science to cure cancer and free the world from poverty! when the only thing about their products that sets them apart are the stupid devices with not enough buttons and prices so high that are inducing the world economic crisis
 
[citation][nom]msgun98[/nom]No, I use the start menu as a really great way to search for programs or system tools. Can't be bothered clicking through the control panel to get to device manager? Just type "device" and it will pop right up.[/citation]
Why not just right click on the Computer icon and select manage?
 
Sounds to me like Tim Cook is just jealous W8 will run better overall on tablets than his shitt, dumbed down closed-environment iOS
 
[citation][nom]msgun98[/nom]No, I use the start menu as a really great way to search for programs or system tools. Can't be bothered clicking through the control panel to get to device manager? Just type "device" and it will pop right up.[/citation]
You can still do this in Win8, and it's faster. Although I have to admit I never tried device manager as I always go through rightclicking My Computer, or Computer.
 
Dear Mr apple. Apple is a company whom I'm surprised hasn't come out with a preparatory version of the Internet that only works on the mac, costs 3 times mores to use it, is slower and doesn't do half the things a home user might want and almost nothing a business would want (nor connect to he normal internet). They would somehow paint it white and spend a billion for marketing on it that gets all the compu-tards out there to worship it. Ill take my Windows tablet thanks. To boot, it will be created by Chinese workers killing themselves over it making $3 a day for the work.
 
Jack of all trades master of none. Specialization will produce better results. That's why you build your own gaming rig instead of buying a general purpose pc. There will be more excess baggage if you try to cater to all potential uses instead of putting only what you will require in a more specific limited use.
 
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