Apple Could Face Antitrust Probe from DOJ, FTC

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[citation][nom]babybeluga[/nom]newmodeav has pissed off the author![/citation]

Haha, no he hasn't. He's made her skeptical as to whether or not he even has an iPad. Totally different. :)
 
[citation][nom]JMcEntegart[/nom]If you looked at the product specs before you took out your wallet, you'd know what it did and didn't have and you probably wouldn't have ended up wasting your money. Couple of things, though; the iPad does have a mic and no model cost $1000. The 64GB 3G version costs $830. If this is the model you purchased then you really should have looked at the specs before you dropped $800 on a new gadget. On the bright side, if you bought the 64GB 3G then you can probably still return it because it's only been out a few days. Fairly sure Apple's return policy is two weeks.[/citation]

Flawless victory.

On a side note, it's nice to see something that's not pro-apple 😛
 
[citation][nom]babybeluga[/nom]Jailbreak it and stop complaining.[/citation]
I wonder if someone will ever have a legitimate business model of selling software to 'jail-broken' devices.

edit: That would solve this problem, because then no one could ever be forced out of the market.
 
well, 830+49 case + tax that makes up close to $1000
i did call the support, they said no mic on the ipad
only if you buy another headset $? then you will have mic.
and oh yes, apple does refund minus the restocking fee

that is nice ha?

in general, apple with the loads of monet they are making
they should not be allowed to do what they do
1 browser? 1 mail? no flash? no wmv? no Avi?

and is apple interested to win the PC users or windows?
with all of the limitations or decisions they make?

i doubt that would happen

i hate to give in to it


sorry you git pissed, i did not think you would take it so personal
 
newmodeav
Thank for telling us such a good BS story.
Anyone one who follow apple news will know how much it cost what features it cam or cannot do.

Apple, you should learn from microsoft what mistake they cause the doj to sue them.
 
[citation][nom]newmodeav[/nom]in general, apple with the loads of monet they are makingthey should not be allowed to do what they do1 browser? 1 mail? no flash? no wmv? no Avi?[/citation]

ARE YOU ON METH? By your logic, corporations should be able to do what they please. False Imprisonment? Ostracism? Genocide?
 
[citation][nom]newmodeav[/nom]well, 830+49 case + tax that makes up close to $1000i did call the support, they said no mic on the ipadonly if you buy another headset $? then you will have mic.and oh yes, apple does refund minus the restocking feethat is nice ha?in general, apple with the loads of monet they are makingthey should not be allowed to do what they do1 browser? 1 mail? no flash? no wmv? no Avi?and is apple interested to win the PC users or windows?with all of the limitations or decisions they make?i doubt that would happeni hate to give in to it sorry you git pissed, i did not think you would take it so personal[/citation]

Not taking it personally or pissed, I'm just saying if you'd done your research you could have avoided 'hating yourself.' If there's no mic then you could probably get your money back on a false advertising claim. Right there on Apple's website: Input and Output: Dock connector port, 3.5-mm stereo headphone jack, built-in speaker, microphone, micro-SIM card tray (Wi-Fi + 3G model only).
 
Maybe I am not good at all with the economy system and don't use the right terms. Is the state and not the economy who is responsible for providing equity or balance. Is that better? But when the economy needed assistance with the Wall Street crisis the state came to the rescue. I know manny opposed and did not liked this but that happened anyway. I don't have to much trouble with some push from the state from time to time but this needs to be very well done. I am being very vague.

When Apple was considered small they enjoyed manny benefits they may be losing or starting to lose now because they are now perceived as big company with a lot of power and market penetration they now enjoy. I know it is not that easy and that it implies big corporate practices but this is also a general perception problem.

Anyway if Apple abuses the system they should pay or stay within the regulators decisions. Somewhere else I read that they may only need to reverse their latest SDK.
 
[citation][nom]jecastej[/nom]Is the state and not the economy who is responsible for providing equity or balance. Is that better?[/citation]
You might be more clear, but that is exactly what the worst economic countries in the world have. North Korea, India, etc. The state controls what the economy can and can't do. The best countries (in terms of economic production) are controlled more by the market and less by the state, which is why LOTS of people were mad about the bailouts and such. They want the market to determine things.

However, common sense checks are needed like anti-Fraud, anti-Trust/Cartel, anti-racketeering, and others. But that basic level of consumer protection doesn't have to be explicitly government interaction either. Information is more powerful than the government in a free market, because consumers will do smart things with their money.
 
[citation][nom]JMcEntegart[/nom]If you looked at the product specs before you took out your wallet, you'd know what it did and didn't have and you probably wouldn't have ended up wasting your money. Couple of things, though; the iPad does have a mic and no model costs $1000. The 64GB 3G version costs $830. If this is the model you purchased, then you really should have looked at the specs before you dropped $800 on it. On the bright side, if you bought the 64GB 3G then you can probably still return it because it's only been out a few days. Fairly sure Apple's return policy is two weeks.[/citation]

He's probably from Canada who got hit with State/Municipal Sales Tax and then GST, PST and the Duty at the border.

but only in that case can I see it hitting $1000

I can only imagine who from Canada ran to the US to get one....
 
[citation][nom]apple122juice[/nom]Easy defense. This is a CLOSED system. Apple build the h/w and s/w. They need to make sure software are optimized for the unit. Consumer may blame Apple for poor performance (like poor battery) that may be caused by 3rd party developer (i.e. Adobe). Does Kindle need to be able to use other readers?[/citation]

you massive n00b, so why couldn't MS say the same thing to the EU regarding IE? "oh, we don't want to be blamed for the poor performance of other people's browsers on our OS, we need to build IE specifically to work with the intricacies of our OS that only we understand"

trust me, as a developer, Apple have absolutely no good reason to block the use of third party development tools.
 
Although I do not own one yet. I loved the Iphone and Ipad. However I do not agree with Apple's tactics and you know why they are doing this. They are afraid the same programs will be available for multiple platforms and therefore people don't have to buy Iphone after all.
 
[citation][nom]zogloid[/nom]Although I do not own one yet. I loved the Iphone and Ipad. However I do not agree with Apple's tactics and you know why they are doing this. They are afraid the same programs will be available for multiple platforms and therefore people don't have to buy Iphone after all.[/citation]

God forbid people be able to enjoy an Application without purchasing an iProduct.
 
This seems like a pretty clear case to me; the Sherman Antitrust Act of 1890 was designed to combat certain types of uncompetitive behavior, where a company would use its control in one market to try and force control over markets that it was inferior in. The result of that behavior was an usurpation of the invisible hand required for capitalism to work; the company was in control where the market should've been.

In this case, it's pretty clear that this is what Apple's doing; they're using their dominance of the smartphone market with their iPhone in order to strongarm their way into a dominance in mobile application development. There's no way Apple can legitly argue that the iPhone is truly a closed system; if it was, then they wouldn't allow ANYONE outside their company to develop for it. Because they have an outright market for applications, it's an open system.

Further, it's also an open system because the ap store spans three markets; you can get an ap from there for not just your iPhone, but also your iPod Touch, and now your iPad. And Apple controls it all.

All told, I'd like to see where this goes. If we're lucky, the courts will order a split in Apple, forcing them to spin-off their Ap Store company, in a move that would yield far better openness for iAps; then everyone who owns a smartphone, smart MP3 player, or slate PC wins, INCLUDING owners of Apple's products. The only loser would be Steve Jobs' massive ego.

Of course, with this happening... Don't be surprised if you hear that Apple starts funneling millions into Palin-2012, in hopes that should a Republican sit in the White House (and DoJ) that they'll step down the legal assault on them. (just like how Microsoft got a reprieve in United States v. Microsoft after Bush took office)
 
How can they possibly be allowed to do this? You cant develop for the Iphone without using their tools? Whats next, cant surf on a Mac if its not Safari? Cant make calls on an Iphone if its not English?

How much control should they get to force on people?

Come on Democrats, its evil big business, the ones you always complain about and rant about changing; time to knock em down, and hard.

Give the people the right to develop for any device, using any tools they want! and to use any program on that device, from any developer they want! End device makers control over the user! Apple should get no say over the device the second the user buys it, its theirs!
 
[citation][nom]JMcEntegart[/nom]Not taking it personally or pissed, I'm just saying if you'd done your research you could have avoided 'hating yourself.' If there's no mic then you could probably get your money back on a false advertising claim. Right there on Apple's website: Input and Output: Dock connector port, 3.5-mm stereo headphone jack, built-in speaker, microphone, micro-SIM card tray (Wi-Fi + 3G model only).[/citation]

Ugh, stop being so angry.
 
If I'd be Steve Jobs and it would come to this (though it probably won't) I'd just go: "we won't do it any other way... take it like this or we'll just stop selling all these products". I really don't want an open Apple platform because Microsoft learned me one thing: open platforms suffer in the long run of compatibility and reliability issues. Yes, it's nice to be open for a full-scale PC but why have errors on my phone? Why notice speed decrease after installing 10 programs? I'd rather have niche devices that don't do everything, but they are damn good at those few things they do. That's what Apple is all about.
 
[citation][nom]moshu78[/nom]If I'd be Steve Jobs and it would come to this (though it probably won't) I'd just go: "we won't do it any other way... take it like this or we'll just stop selling all these products". I really don't want an open Apple platform because Microsoft learned me one thing: open platforms suffer in the long run of compatibility and reliability issues. Yes, it's nice to be open for a full-scale PC but why have errors on my phone? Why notice speed decrease after installing 10 programs? I'd rather have niche devices that don't do everything, but they are damn good at those few things they do. That's what Apple is all about.[/citation]

Read the previous comments. Apple products are open.
 
All I have to say is its about damm time. Steve Jobs is getting a little to high and mighty for his own good, and the good of the general consumer for that matter. Oiy mattey, time to walk the plank of antitrust lawsuits bitch.
 
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