News Apple M1 Ultra's 64-Core GPU Fails to Dethrone the Mighty RTX 3090

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Not that I think an M1 Ultra is even comparable to an 3090, but this test is just a flawed as the synthetic benchmarks are. Shadow of the Tomb Raider runs under Rosetta 2 and is not a native binary. It's already been shown with several benchmarks that running games under Rosetta 2 has a 10 to 20% net reduction in FPS.

They should do a real test with a game/app that is optimized for both platforms if they want to know what the real world difference is.
 
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the Verge also fired up Shadow of the Tomb Raider, and the RTX 3090 easily mopped the floor with the M1 Ultra, delivering 142 fps at 4K and 114 fps at 1440p.
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I'm surprised nobody thought it was weird that the results for 4K were better than 1440p, and much better than 1080p.
So I went over to The Verge and realized that they must've fixed their chart by now:
https://www.theverge.com/22981815/apple-mac-studio-m1-ultra-max-review

You might want to update your article.
 
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We definitely need professional reviews for this, but the propaganda has already worked. Most people don't look up reviews to buy products, they just look at base specs and price, and maybe product pages. Also, Apple got the attention they need, now the M1 Ultra is in more news than it would if these numbers were more realistic. I hope Tom's can do an in-depth review of the machine, with some good analysis especially of the power and heat (it's hard to believe the chip can do so much while using so little power).
 
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peachpuff said:
This is the verge we're talking about, they barely know how to build a pc.
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But what does it say about Tom's when they simply copy-paste a chart from there without even second-guessing or questioning the results, when they obviously can't be true? Does that make them worse than The Verge, as they can't even interpret some FPS results?

It's one thing if you make a chart and label it wrong by accident before uploading it. It's another thing altogether if you find that chart online, look at it, and even write about the results without ever wondering whether or not these results even make sense in the first place.
 
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It would only be cherry-picking if SoTR was also natively coded for the Apple ecosystem. What James is suggesting is getting a fuller sample of applications, some which aren't just for gaming, some which are. If you want facts, you need good science data.
 
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larkspur said:
Shadow of the Tomb Raider is a real world app. What you suggest would be cherry-picking - which is exactly what Apple would like you to do.
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It has nothing to do with Apple and "cherry picking". Pick any App or game that isn't running under emulation. Flip the script and run Shadow of the Tomb Raider in Wine under WSL, at least then both are in emulation. I'm saying either run both emulated or run both native, there are plenty of Apps and Games that have native binaries for both.
 
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Are we gonna talk about power consumption? LMAO I suspect the Ryzen is a bit more hungry and this is an apples to oranges comparison... Wow, Tom's I've been a member since the dark ages, what is going on with these crappy reviews?
 
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But what does it say about Tom's when they simply copy-paste a chart from there without even second-guessing or questioning the results, when they obviously can't be true? Does that make them worse than The Verge, as they can't even interpret some FPS results?

It's one thing if you make a chart and label it wrong by accident before uploading it. It's another thing altogether if you find that chart online, look at it, and even write about the results without ever wondering whether or not these results even make sense in the first place.
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When reading the article on The Verge it doesn't say anything about 4K performance being better than 1440p like the article here. I don't see any 4K numbers in the article on gaming with SotR with the rtx 3090 which leads me to believe they're not favorable.
 
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salgado18 said:
We definitely need professional reviews for this, but the propaganda has already worked. Most people don't look up reviews to buy products, they just look at base specs and price, and maybe product pages. Also, Apple got the attention they need, now the M1 Ultra is in more news than it would if these numbers were more realistic. I hope Tom's can do an in-depth review of the machine, with some good analysis especially of the power and heat (it's hard to believe the chip can do so much while using so little power).
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Most people who would buy the Mac Studio are already entrenched enough in the Apple ecosystem that they'll buy it because of vendor lock-in or because their workflow is optimized around Apple, not simply because there's something "better."
 
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