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[citation][nom]Ebersbach[/nom]"You *CANNNOT BUY* a full version of OS X from Apple without first buying a Mac."You're a liar.[/citation]

Really? Then how come Apple *themselves* list Snow Leopard as an UPGRADE. You can buy an UPGRADE version of Snow Leopard from Apple (and in the Apple store), but you cannot buy a *FULL VERSION* from Apple.

If you think I'm still a liar, read:

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MAC_OS_X_SNGL?mco=NzgxMDc2NA
 
[citation][nom]stravis[/nom]You're wrong. You can go into any Apple store and buy a full version of Snow Leopard. You can keep saying that you can't but you would be wrong.[/citation]

Really, why does the following link:

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MAC_OS_X_SNGL?mco=NzgxMDc2NA

say upgrade? And why is there no listing of a full version of Snow Leopard on the site (do a search on snow leopard at the Apple store and see what page comes up)?
 
[citation][nom]ceteras[/nom]I don't think that supporting all hardware vendors in the x86 space is the greatest of challenges for Microsoft. They don't have to write all the drivers, the vendors usually do it.But on the other side, Apple has to make some efforts to specifically limit their support for a limited list of hardware devices (such as not allowing Atom support).This is an urban myth, limiting your hardware support is not equal to higher quality. It's a two-edges sword anyway, if you want to make changes yourself, it's going to cost a lot more.[/citation]

Have you bothered to look at the install process of Snow Leopard? You have to have a prior Mac OS in some way (be it installed on the system, a restore disk, or some other media where a prior version is located) to install Snow Leopard. If it were as simple as going into the Apple store and buying Snow Leopard and going home to a machine with equal stats as a Mac and installing the software, then you'd be right, but that's not the case.
 
[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]If an upgrade version of an OS can be made to do a full installation, then isn't it still a full version, deliberately hobbled by the vendor to enforce an overpriced hardware purchase?[/citation]

No, it's not. Because you still need something from a prior version to make the install go. Trying installing an upgrade version of any other OS and see how far you get with a clean install without having some kind of media around. You have to have a full version license key to install a full version, an upgrade version license key will not install a full version unless you have some kind of media with a prior version available.
 
balister,

"You have to have a full version license key to install a full version"

Your insipid and moronic Logic has proved to be interesting and I enjoyed the rhetorical debate with you. But this last statement above really shows you don't have a clue about Mac and their OS's. Apple has never in the 6 yrs that I have been using them required a license Key to install their Os.
Thats really sad too....I mean do you really have to make stuff up?
 
[citation][nom]mj4358[/nom]Here is the proof that Snow leopard is a full version. Case Closed!!http://lifehacker.com/5345690/prep [...] ow-leopard http://smarterware.org/3036/29-sno [...] ot-leopard[/citation]

You're two links just proved it *isn't* a full version. It still requires you to have something of a prior version of Mac OS (be it Tiger or Leopard) to be able to go forward. Re-read the steps again. No where does he say wipe the Mac clean before starting the upgrade, the wipe clean happens *after* you start up the Snow Leopard disk *and* it checks to see that there is some semblance of Mac OS around. Go back and re-read both articles!
 
[citation][nom]mj4358[/nom]balister,"You have to have a full version license key to install a full version"Your insipid and moronic Logic has proved to be interesting and I enjoyed the rhetorical debate with you. But this last statement above really shows you don't have a clue about Mac and their OS's. Apple has never in the 6 yrs that I have been using them required a license Key to install their Os. Thats really sad too....I mean do you really have to make stuff up?[/citation]

Point being, as I've stated before and you clearly are in denial about, you have to have a prior version of Mac OS to install Snow Leopard. That means it is *not* a full version, but an upgrade (from either Tiger or Leopard as it requires you have one or the other in some form for Snow Leopard to install).

Quit being thick and actually *READ* what the various articles say. Snow Leopard is an UPGRADE *not* a FULL VERSION as it requires a prior Mac OS to install (the definition of an upgrade).
 
Correction and update: We have confirmed that the preview of Snow Leopard DOES offer a standalone installer that works on a freshly-formatted hard drive without an existing Leopard installation or DVD. While we can't absolutely say before Friday whether or not the final release will work this way, it's very possible it will. (Read: The full version of the new Mac OS X may be just $29.) My apologies for the mistake!
 
Well since Im "thick" ....why don't you prove that its not the full version. Because based on my installation with a formatted hard drive (clean ) install. It work just fine and did not require a Key or any other verification method to install Snow Leopard. The Only reason I think you hold on to this lie is to save face on this forum or the scroll function doesn't work on your computer. At any rate Im done with you!
 
[citation][nom]mj4358[/nom]Correction and update: We have confirmed that the preview of Snow Leopard DOES offer a standalone installer that works on a freshly-formatted hard drive without an existing Leopard installation or DVD. While we can't absolutely say before Friday whether or not the final release will work this way, it's very possible it will. (Read: The full version of the new Mac OS X may be just $29.) My apologies for the mistake![/citation]

Keep reading further down the article. Reading only part of the article and taking one portion out of context shows you don't understand the install process at all. Keep reading further down and he mentions that either you have a Tiger or Leopard disk on hand or you do the wipe after you've started from the Snow Leopard disk, but before the hard drive was actually wiped clean (you have the option during the Snow Leopard install to wipe the drive *after* it's run a scan of your system to be sure you meet the requirements to run Snow Leopard).
 
[citation][nom]mj4358[/nom]Well since Im "thick" ....why don't you prove that its not the full version. Because based on my installation with a formatted hard drive (clean ) install. It work just fine and did not require a Key or any other verification method to install Snow Leopard. The Only reason I think you hold on to this lie is to save face on this forum or the scroll function doesn't work on your computer. At any rate Im done with you![/citation]

Yes, you are thick because you refuse to read the entire articles. You're just linking them and pulling on portion out of context and saying that it proves you're right when if you read the entire article, you'll realize that you're wrong. You have to have a prior version of Mac OS to upgrade to Snow Leopard, otherwise all the Hackintosh people out there would be going nuts right now with Snow Leopard are freshly setup machines that fit the requirements of Snow Leopard.

The only reason you say you're done is because you realize you're wrong on this and that you are giving bad information. Read the articles you linked and you'll realize that you can't just walk into the Apple store, buy Snow Leopard, and take it home and install it on a pristine machine without having a Tiger or Leopard disk around. If that were the case, all the Hackintosh crowd would not be still jumping through hoops to get it to install on non-Apple branded hardware that is the same as the Apple branded hardware.
 
[citation][nom]mj4358[/nom]Here this spells it out for you. Bottom paragraph titled Two Versions.http://www.macworld.com/article/14 [...] opard.html[/citation]

Again, you're taking things out of context. The author states that you can do an install on a clean hard disk, the author leaves out talking about other media (which is stated in other articles, even ones you linked, that talk about the same way of installing).

Quit trying to say you're rigth by leaving out information that *is* stated in other articles. Selective reading does not make on right, it makes you ignorant. I suggest you educate yourself and go read the other articles out there about installing Snow Leopard, because the vast majority tell people they need some aspect of a prior Mac version, either installed on the system or media (and other's don't give you all the information like the one you just linked).
 
First of all I didnt take anything out of context. Its verbatim.... you just don't wanna comprehend that your wrong. Maybe you should go buy a mac, a old one and leopard and do it yourself since printed media doesn't do it for you.
 
Also Please point me in the right direction so that I can be as ignorant as you about Snow leopard. And like I said before prove me wrong because all your offering is conjecture. I have proved you wrong about the license requirement you said was needed if you dont have a prior version of Leopard. So you have not provided ONE single shred of proof to your argument. Seems to me your the ignorant one!
 
Why is it that anyone that defends Apple gets thumbs down and anyone that bashes them gets thumbs up?
 
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