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Solar sails are ok for travelling to the outer planets of the solar system but they are impractical for interstellar travel. Correct me if I'm wrong but the farther you are from the sun the less efficient they become and eventually you'll slow down. Even assuming you can maintain .5 light speed it would take a decade to reach the nearest star system (Alpha Centauri which is 4.3 light years away).

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Luna is the Latin word meaning moon. I don't think that's actually the name of it (in the sense that Sol is the name for our sun), but I could be wrong.



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No you can't tack, but you can go out, then while you're going to your destination, you can collect energy with solar panels and use Ion Drive to come back in.

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yeah right, you know how long it would take to come from, say, jupiter all the way back to earth using the sun's gravity? just think about the comets that come around ever 100 years.

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Is it? I remember reading that our moon had no name, but I guess that was bad info. Never mind then.

Yeup, looked it up and you're right.



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Don't get me wrong, I love progress, but doesn't it seem suspicious that devices are infinitely more advanced today than they were 100 years ago? I mean even the car is very simple compared to a computer. Any intelligent kid can design a simple moving object for a science fair because the car has physically large parts, which are widely available. My question is what tools do scientists use to make microscopic transistors or manipulate genetic material?

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OK, do you understand how a vacuum tube works? It's a fairly simple concept. Once that was developed technology started up the ramp. The transistor was next, and was still a relatively simple invention based on the diode. And the Diod was a simple discovery that certain materials flow electricity in one direction very easily. Put two together and you have a transistor-no more need for tubes. Cut the transistor out of a wafer and you can make it smaller. Put a group of them on a wafer and you have an integrated circuite.

Computers work by a group of automated electrical switches, but instead of using mechanical swithces they use these transistors. Yes or no is the same as on and off. So if you put enough transistors on an intergrated circuite and provide a proper pathway, you have a processor. Does 2+0=4? No. Does 2+1=4? No. Does 2+2=4? Yes. This is the process by which all computers work.
Now microscopes have been around a very long time. So it only makes sense that if you understand how a vacuum tube works, electron microscopes use a similar concept. And a microprocesor detects the flow of electrons, or rather the blockage of flow. It gets complicated with electron microscopes because they are a convergence of technologies. But each of these technologies is easily understood, it's when you group them that it becomes complicated. So it makes sense that with billions of people in the world, there will be millions of scientist, each refining their own technology. And then there will be lots of people that understand a little of each technology, but not all of any of them. And they put the technologies together.
Look at it from a mechanical perspective. I know how a carburator works. I know how a piston pump works. I know how a cam works. Etc. So even though I would not be good at designing carburators, I could build an engine out of the parts available, if only I knew how to hold them together. And being trained as a machinist, I do.
The same goes for any technology. I can build a computer out of parts, but I can't build the parts. The person who designs a hard drive knows how to assemble the parts to make it reliable, but doesn't know how to design a PCB underneath. The person who designs the PCB doesn't know how to make a hard drive reliable, but knows where the data has to go and what parts it takes to get it there. The person who designs the cache knows very little about hard drives but specializes in integrated circuites. Low and behold the world gets a hard drive, and you blame the aliens.
Or the world gets an electron microscope
Or the world gets a DNA sequencer.

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You make it sound so simple but it's not. Imagine how hard it is to turn a few switches (transistors) into a working technology (3DNow! for example). It's just mind baffling. Not the technology itself, but the quick advancements of technology.

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It's MODULAR technology. Nobody develops a CPU, they simply develope a MODULE that's added to a CPU.
Have you ever seen a huge jigsaw puzzle assembled? When you understand how a circuite works, you can design one to one simple task. Hundreds of other people are doing the same with different task. Then all the modules get put together. Simplifying the task of putting them together, a computer program can rearrange the module to simplify the routing of circuites. So someone simply designs the module, someone else tells the computer which input attaches to what output, and the computer routs them. Without the computer's aid you could still do it, it would just take more time. Your not seeing the forrest for the trees!

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technology spurs on technology, but you will have to admit Bell labs came out with technology that seemed to take a huge leap, NMOS PMOS NPN BJT ect... hmmm makes me wonder, but I also really like the X-Files, so maybe I'm biased.

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I don't know but you're probably right. Interstellar dust and stray molecules would begin to impede progress at some point. Not to mention that the amount of particles and energy emitted from the star of origin must approach nil pretty quickly.

OK, solar sails outside a solar system are impractical.
 
I don't know if anyone mentioned this, but theres a little thing that i think everyone forgot to mention. At those great speeds that a solar sail can bring a vessel thats good, but even the smallest particle of dust or some kind of space debri, if that gets in the way, or if you hit it, its almost liek hitting a brick wall at 100Mph in a car, so really, whats going to protect it ? How are we going to be able to maneuver out of the way to avoid these things ?

Just a thought....actually more than a thought, its a known fact.....what does anyone else have to think about this ?

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Crashman already gave a pretty good explaination but I'll give you my explaination from a programmer's background.

Whenever I want to make a program, I have quite a few options. I can get at the lowest level possible and tell the cpu each and every stupid instruction i want it to do or I can group those instructions to create another set of more complex instructions which do more per an instruction, but cuts down the number of instructions i have to issue by quite a bit.

This is how technology works, it lives on what was done previously to do more. So the actual result isn't instantly complex, it was fairly complex before, and was given a little bit of additional functionality to improve it.

The simplest way to explain why it 'expands' so fast is to take a look at how the computer stores data.

It has already been explained that data for a computer is stored as 1's and 0's, on and off, hot and cold, yes and no, true and false... any two values. So if that one 'switch' as we'll call it can store two values, then by having just one switch, we have a total of two values (stupid, but had to be said). So let's say someone else came along and gave us another switch, so we have 2 switches storing two values per a switch. Now we can store a total of 4 values by combining the two switches. There wasn't any additional 'big' advancement, i mean, we just added another switch and our number of possible values doubled! As it turns out, each additional switch doubles the previous amount...so the mathematical way of determining the amount of possible values is 2^n where n is the number of switches.

What does this have to do with technology? Well, by taking a look at the example above, we didn't reinvent the new combination of switches, we just tacked on a new idea to an existing idea (we had a switch, then we thought about the possibilities of combining switches). This is exactly what we do with technology, someone doesn't re-invent everything about a cell phone over again, they take what was already invented and add a new factor to the bunch to make the number of possibilities expand.

Now you're probably thinking, it still doesn't make sense, someone comes up with one simple thing and it makes our technology double--shouldn't the new idea expand technology in a linear sort of manner? The answer is no: let's take a look at our switches again. Say we had 8 switches, that 256 possible values. Someone comes along, adds another switch, now we have 512...and another 1024...2048, 4096... etc. The end result is that the graph is NOT linear, it is exponential, a curve.

This means that while someone does add in a new simple idea to the bunch, the simple idea will probably be applied to many different areas of the number of existing ideas. So say we as a total had 10 total ideas (club, pole, whatever). Then someone comes along and finds out about the usefulness of sharp objects. Well, if applied 'sharpness' to our club, that makes it something like a sword and if applied to our pole, makes it something like an axe or spear. So you see, the same idea though simple was re-applied to the pool of ideas to make it seem like it did a lot, but it really didn't.



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I doubt anything even remotely approaching .5 light is possible with a simple solar sail. Besides we will have problems long before we worry about near light speed collisions. Solar flares give off tremendous amounts of harmful radiation. We are protected under the earth's atmosphere but long term survival in open space will be a big problem.
 
talking about exponential curves...
here are two nasty ones from real life.

1. atmospheric pollution (co2) since the start of the industrial revolution

2. world population



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ION drives are real too. Solar sails, ion driver, and matter/anti matter engines, all real feasable methods of transport.

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Once you gain the momentum, you dont lose it(albeit you lose some to the suns gravity) but the pressure from light from the sun outpowers its gravity, and since they both diminish at the same rate, you will constantly accelerate.

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But why hasn't technological development slowed down yet? Technology has reached a point where no one person can invent something. You need a whole team of thinkers. I mean there must come a point where humans don't know what to do anymore with the resources they have on earth. Am I making any sense?

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there's a great book that poses that same hypothesis....

it's called
"The End of Science : Facing the Limits of Knowledge in the Twilight of the Scientific Age (Helix Books)"

the author's name is: John Horgan.

he came and talked to my computer theory class about how he thinks that physics and chemistry are nearing their limit....
how discoveries are becoming more specialized and most of the the really big question have already been answered.

it's a good book, but we had other speakers as well, about that very same subject and there are still major discoveries that need to happen....
like a unified field theory (what is matter and how does it relate to energy?)
a better model of the atom (face it people, we may THINK we know what's going on, but our model isn't perfect, because we still cant reconsile the macro and the micro worlds.....
we need a way to fit quantum mechanics into the bigger picture.).

these fundamental questions still haven't been answered yet.

he also said that we would be nearing the physicall limit of what computers can do by 2011.... but that's ignorant, because we will just figure out new ways of doing things....

like the vacume tube... we were enaring the physical limit of what we could do with that then we found the transistor and we pushed the limit back.... that's going to happen.
we aren't at the end of science, we are merely at that wall where a new discovery will change the world.

like newton and the apple.
or einstien and relativity.
it's still possible for normal people to make important discoveries.

we all need a clean renewable energy that will fit into our economic situation.
discover that, and you've got it made for life.
 
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