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Foxtail:

When you create the users you have to assign them the folder you want
access to. You can create a folder called UPLOAD and then assign a
user to it with R/W.

Any other folder you give to him will also have R/W, so yes it does
not do a per folder permission.
 
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thanks winux, my fears confirmed 🙁

is next best giving each user two different logins, one RW and one RO
then assigning folders accordingly?

thanks
 
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Hi guys!

I'm using the newest (?) firmware, but it doesn't seem to make any
difference.

1) The drive is EXTREMLY slow. Copy 3 Mbyte takes 30- 40 seconds,
sometimes more.

2) Every now and then it looses connection and I get the error "The
specified network name is no longer available"

When I went to the store where I bought the device, they did test run
it without problems. I can't understand this.

I'm running firmware NetHDD006-0804.

Do you guys have any clue?

Cheers,

Jonas
 
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> mintcakewrote:
I'm using the HD363N with a Mac (with two Macs to be precise)

I just purchased this NAS for my home network (4 Macs running 10.3.4
and 10.4.2) and have been unable to even address the drive to
configure it. I have a LAN using a Belkin wired/wireless router w/
static IPs but when I tried w/ that setup, I couldn't see the drive.
I then did a direct connect but have also been unable to see it
either. Any suggestions? TIA
 
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hoogie69:

What kind of error are you getting when you try to configure the
unit?

When you connect it directly, don't forget to change your IP address
to 169.254.0.x because the unit defaults to 169.254.0.1.

Jonas:

Are you running any anti-virus software? There is a known issue with
older Norton products. And is this on a wireless connection?
 
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i'm sorry for hijacking this thread but i have the bytecc nas and i
just can't seem to get my pc to see the drive, yet i can access the
web interface. if i use the run command " \\landisk" it will not see
the drive if i type "\\landisk\public" i task me for an id and
password but i can't log in (i've already used the admin as id and
admin as password and it doesn't work).

what am i doing wrong? obviously the drive is ther since i can access
the nas with the web browser. what am i doing wrong? any and all help
would be greatly appreciated.
 
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lrmat:

I think it best to start a new thread since the NAS units are
definitely different. I do bet, however, your NAS is not asking for
the admin interface password. Probably guest with no password would
work, but that's a question for bytecc.
 
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I'm not sure KB297019 answers the question with .pst files though.

Sure, it suggests this can be inefficient. Yes, it says they can
suffer corruption if the network fails or degrades. I'd go further
and suggest another problem is having the application or client
machine fail while the .pst is being updated - but that's a problem
even with a local .pst file.

This is an issue with any file over a LAN that is thrashed on a lot
though. The problems are very similar to those suffered by Jet
database users, perhaps without the extra source of problems
resulting from concurrent updates by multiple clients.

I'm having good luck with the late beta firmware and Jet databases but
I haven't had the time to try extensive operations on large ones yet,
or anything with a lot of concurrency. Right now mine are in the
500KB to 4MB range with 2 to 3 very low activity clients.

I may get around to trying some large .pst files too though that isn't
something I need myself. For local email I'm using a "shimserver"
concept. The mailstore is a Jet MDB, and users "connect" to it via a
local instance of a compact SMTP/POP3 server they fire up on their
workstation and then run their email client. The server accepts
client requests and hits the shared mailstore on the NAS device to
satisfy them. Mailstore backups are easy because even if users leave
the server running it only opens the MDB when performing a requested
action. Latency isn't bad except when the drive has timed out and
been put to sleep - and so far even this is acceptable. Heavier
testing will determine the ultimate viability of the concept though.

Since Microsoft explicitly states that .pst files over a network are
Bad Thing though, there may be little effort within Outlook to do its
updating with much recoverability. Jet on the other hand, despite its
limitations, was sold to customers to be used in this manner. Maybe
that's one reason I'm not seeing trouble yet.
 
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If someone come up with a solution to the "xbox media center"-problem
please let me know!

I get into the folders, but can't see the files.

/M
 
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> Maximus1234wrote:
If someone come up with a solution to the "xbox media center"-problem
please let me know!
>
> I get into the folders, but can't see the files.
>
> /M

This is a problem for a lot of us here. Not sure if it will ever be
solved and Tritton does not seem to care (according to GAPotter's
post) the NAS does not support XBMC.
 
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Another bug, NetHDD006-0804 beta version.

Reproduce the error:

Copy a good sized text file to the NAS device (19 K bytes in my
test).

Open with NotePad, etc.

Add a few lines in the middle of the file. Save, exit the editor.

Reopen the file, all is ok.

Delete those news lines, save, exit.

Reopen the file. Text at the end of the file appears "duplicated."

What's going on?

I don't know for sure. It seems likely that NotePad saves over a file
by simply rewriting into the original file. If there is more to
write, the file gets extended. If there is less to write on "save"
then the new text is written and the file's EOF pointer is set.

This EOF pointer doesn't seem to be getting set right on the NAS
device.

Workaround

Edit the file, "save as" some new name, close the editor. Then delete
the old file, rename the new open as the old one.

Theory

This might be one source of the Outlook .pst file woes (among others)
people have been running into.

Status

Reported to Argosy via email 10-Sep-2005.
 
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Irmat,
Welcome. Even though you have the LANDISK, I'd still encourage you to
post your questions here (at least as a starting point). As best I
can tell, the LANDISK is very similar to the Tritton and Argosy
products (as I discussed in an Aug. 4 post). If you could, next time
you open the device, could you look at the chips on the board and see
if one has the markings R2881, and post back here? I'd be very
curious.
After reading the manuals for the LANDISK, I noticed it has some
unique features though. As I understand it you must first make a
folder and then you have to tell the LANDISK to share it. Because
you can't get to the PUBLIC folder, why don't you try making another
folder under your control so you can set the sharing and password.
Also, I'd also so suggest trying to setup the FTP access and see if
you can get in that way too. Testing these two methods may help.
If you continue to have problems, instead of entering \\LANDISK\ you
could see if using the IP address directly helps \\169.254.0.1\.

Kane81,
Thanks for the knowledge base reference ... in all my searching I
hadn't come across that one. While I understand what the article
suggests about the capabilities of Outlook, I do find storing the PST
files on another PC with file sharing works okay. I just run into the
corruption when I move the same files onto the NAS. So, I think in
the article is clarifying that Outlook was not intended for that
particular useage, but I agree with
dilettante in that it may not be
efficient, but it appears it possible ... at least at my house. I've
run 40 MB and 300 MB PST files over our LAN from PC to PC and it
works. At times, there are some slow downs, but nothing that really
hinders usage. Again, thanks for the article reference.

dilettante,
Interesting file corruption you captured. I can repeat it with a 29
kB text file running both Argosy's and Tritton's 06-0804 firmwares.
Odd thing though, if I use a different text editing tool (an older
program called Programmer's File Editor) I cannot reproduce the
problem. But, with Notepad ... every time! I've forwarded the
information onto Tritton as well.
I think (and hope) this is in good agreement with the Outlook PST file
corruption I've seen. Everytime I repair the PST file, the log
records that the end of file is not where it was expected, for
example:
!!End-of-file less than actual (read=2C18000, actual=2C14000).
However, this seems backwards from what you demonstrated with the text
file, where the file is longer, not shorter. Well, we'll just have to
see if they (Argosy, Tritton) can find the root cause ... it may fix
both. Thanks for the find.

FTP Port Number
In the most recent firmwares, the use is supposed to be able to change
the FTP port number. I have not been able to change it from 21. Last
week, Argosy replied back an noted that you can change the FTP port
from 21 to anything between 1025-34463. I asked if this was by
design and if it would be changed to allow any port ... I haven't
heard back yet.
 
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Hi Guys!

It's great to see that this thread keeps on going!

This time I wounder if someone knows what cind of Samba is implemented
in the Argosy (FW 006-0804). I'm having big trubble connecting my Xbox
to the device.

When I bougt the Argosy I didn't have the Xbox in mind but then I
converted it to a mediacenter with Xbox Media Center, now it would be
perfect to connect the NAS.

Since the Xbox can talk to my PC (XP Pro SP2) and my PC can talk to
the Argosy I belive that the problem lies in version-incompabillity
of the smb between the Xbox and the Argosy.

If someone knew how smb is implemented in the Argosy, perhaps it would
be possible to mod the Xbox-smb to fit the NAS.

Keep up the good work investigating the NAS!

/M
 
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Hi Guys!

It's great to see that this thread keeps on going!

This time I wounder if someone knows what cind of Samba is implemented
in the Argosy (FW 006-0804). I'm having big trubble connecting my Xbox
to the device.

When I bougt the Argosy I didn't have the Xbox in mind but then I
converted it to a mediacenter with Xbox Media Center, now it would be
perfect to connect the NAS.

Since the Xbox can talk to my PC (XP Pro SP2) and my PC can talk to
the Argosy I belive that the problem lies in version-incompabillity
of the smb between the Xbox and the Argosy.

If someone knew how smb is implemented in the Argosy, perhaps it would
be possible to mod the Xbox-smb to fit the NAS.

Keep up the good work investigating the NAS!

/M
 
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Hi Guys!

It's great to see that this thread keeps on going!

This time I wounder if someone knows what cind of Samba is implemented
in the Argosy (FW 006-0804). I'm having big trubble connecting my Xbox
to the device.

When I bougt the Argosy I didn't have the Xbox in mind but then I
converted it to a mediacenter with Xbox Media Center, now it would be
perfect to connect the NAS.

Since the Xbox can talk to my PC (XP Pro SP2) and my PC can talk to
the Argosy I belive that the problem lies in version-incompabillity
of the smb between the Xbox and the Argosy.

If someone knew how smb is implemented in the Argosy, perhaps it would
be possible to mod the Xbox-smb to fit the NAS.

Keep up the good work investigating the NAS!

/M
 
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> winuxwrote:
hoogie69:
>
> What kind of error are you getting when you try to configure the
unit?
>
> When you connect it directly, don't forget to change your IP address
to 169.254.0.x because the unit defaults to 169.254.0.1.
>
>

After changing the IP as indicated, I was able to access the unit.
Now, when I try to format the drive, I get the "General Error, see
manual" but nothing in the manual gives a hint as to how to rectify
the issue. I will check the earlier posts for suggestions but any
further hints would be appreciated. TIA
 
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Also, tonight I learned a bit more about the commands available on the
device if you TELNET into it. For many of the commands, if you type
'-h' after , it will show all the command options. I have tried a
few, like changing the IP address of the SNTP time server to one I
use regularly with the command:
sntpc server xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.

Just some FYI for those that want to hack into the device further ...
have fun. Irmat, I'd be curious, if the
the LANDISK shows the same/similar commands if you telnet into it.
Just telnet to the IP of you landisk and the type 'help' to see a
list of the commands available.
 
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hey does anyone know anything about the Netgear and Maxtor network
hard drive cases?

is it the same as argosy and triton?
 
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Kane81,
If I follow your notes correctly ... you are running a LANDISK with
the Argosy 06-0804 firmware, is that correct? If so, I'm curious
what happens to the 5 lights on the LANDISK, as the Tritton and
Argosy products only have 1 LED that serves multiple functions.

In regards to the Outlook usage. I think I've broken my Outlook
issues into two ... 1) occurs when I get a Windows delayed write
failure. While this generates a Windows error message, it doesn't
actually seem to cause any problems. 2) the PST file is corrupted.
Which if you follow dilettante's notes
from above about the End of File (EOF) pointer in the file becoming
corrupt, that may be the source of the corrupted PST file. Tritton
has confirmed the EOF pointer corruption and also agreed that this
may be the cause of the PST file become corrupt. They believe a
firmware release to fix this is coming soon.

Lastly, as for the Netgear product (SC101), I've been watching for
this product since earlier this spring because pre-release notes on
Tom's Networking web site suggested it would have very fast data
transfer over ethernet (when compared to existing NAS units) and it
would be available in June. Well, I've watched for it all summer
and am just now I'm seeing it for sale at CDW and CircuitCity (in the
US). There is still no mention of the product on Netgear's US web
site, but their UK web site shows it as 'coming soon'. But, if you
dig deep enough, you can find the manual on the Netgear web site at:

Netgear Documentation . I'm going to wait and see what the
reviews have to say about its performance before I really consider it
.... I don't have the time to debug to NAS units right now.
 
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The Netgear produc is up on the site. They just released it yesterday
(Sept 12). It's just the enclosure, selling for about $115, but
everyone is already backordered. Looking into it, they are
backordered for a couple of weeks.

The only thing I see it's main advantage thus far is it's ability to
mirror. It also uses something called "Z-SAN Technology." This sounds
a bit proprietary like the Ximeta where you have to have software
loaded on your computer to work. Also, it would make the Netgear
product not a 'real' NAS...?

Some drawbacks I read from the spec sheet on it:

1) It requires a DHCP Server; cannot set it to a static...?
2) No SAMBA implementation--means Linux and Mac users cannot use it.


They also have a very WRONG comparision chart on their site. It states
you cannot a)Have a single drive NAS appear as a drive letter in My
Computer (ummm, YES--Mapping!), b) Cannot hide private data from
others (Tritton unit has password protected shares) c)Stream video
and music simultaneously (I do this with Tritton unit) d) Requires
certain HD manufacturers for drives (no requirement with Tritton
unit) e)Does not include backup software (Tritton does).

Of course, after I just read the above statements, there is a very
small line that they compare it to the Maxtor, Iomega, Buffalo, and
Linksys only.

I couldn't find the manual on their site, nor any support for it yet.

I dunno, it sounds like a proprietary product to me, and not very
configurable. I will wait for reviews as well.
 
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> fixuserwrote:
Kane81,
> If I follow your notes correctly ... you are running a LANDISK with
the Argosy 06-0804 firmware, is that correct? If so, I'm curious
what happens to the 5 lights on the LANDISK, as the Tritton and
Argosy products only have 1 LED that serves multiple functions.
>
I dont know what you mean? my Landisk looks exactly like the Argosy it
only has one LED which can switch from green to red.

>
> In regards to the Outlook usage. I think I've broken my Outlook
issues into two ... 1) occurs when I get a Windows delayed write
failure. While this generates a Windows error message, it doesn't
actually seem to cause any problems. 2) the PST file is corrupted.
Which if you follow dilettante's notes
from above about the End of File (EOF) pointer in the file becoming
corrupt, that may be the source of the corrupted PST file. Tritton
has confirmed the EOF pointer corruption and also agreed that this
may be the cause of the PST file become corrupt. They believe a
firmware release to fix this is coming soon.
>
thus SAMBA is not implemented properly
 
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> Kane81wrote:
Kane81,
> If I follow your notes correctly ... you are running a LANDISK with
the Argosy 06-0804 firmware, is that correct? If so, I'm curious
what happens to the 5 lights on the LANDISK, as the Tritton and
Argosy products only have 1 LED that serves multiple functions.
>
I dont know what you mean? my Landisk looks exactly like the Argosy it
only has one LED which can switch from green to red.

>
> In regards to the Outlook usage. I think I've broken my Outlook
issues into two ... 1) occurs when I get a Windows delayed write
failure. While this generates a Windows error message, it doesn't
actually seem to cause any problems. 2) the PST file is corrupted.
Which if you follow dilettante's notes
from above about the End of File (EOF) pointer in the file becoming
corrupt, that may be the source of the corrupted PST file. Tritton
has confirmed the EOF pointer corruption and also agreed that this
may be the cause of the PST file become corrupt. They believe a
firmware release to fix this is coming soon.
>
thus SAMBA is not implemented properly
Click to expand...

Fixing this samba issue with new firmware could fix some of the xbmc
issues those of us with xboxes are having. :wink:
 
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Never mind my request for someone to verify the issue with moving
directories / multiple files from the NAS to a PC ... Tritton has
verified the issue and continuing to look into root cause.

Kane81,
When you said you were using a Landisk, I assumed you were referring
to either the Bytecc LANDISK (ME-850) or V-Gear LANDISK products.
These are products similar to the Tritton SimpleNAS and the Argosy
HD363N, but yet having slightly different features. And, both of
those LANDISK products have 5 LEDs on their front panel. If you
wish, you could revisit the information I posted about these products
earlier in this thread:
NAS
Listings. That's why I asked Irmat
if he/she would report back on the hardware in the Bytecc LANDISK.
Hopefully, that explains the nature of my question about the firmware
and LEDs.
 
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Well my webpage for the NAS use to say LanDisk, It had no brand only a
model number which was HD363N, I then tracked it down to Argosy.

This NAS had no branding on it, on the box, or the instruction.
 
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