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But the tree hugging vegetarians will not like this news. By the way Hitler was a vegan and the Nazis were liberal environmentalists Socialists too.
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[citation][nom]Cons29[/nom]no offense but based on what ive read, all those did not help his acting If they showed jobs dropping the F bomb, i will watch this movie.why the need to copy the exact diet? marketing.[/citation]
It's called "Method Acting". In order to give the best most realistic performance, you have to become the character. You have to live exactly as they lived.
It's called "Method Acting". In order to give the best most realistic performance, you have to become the character. You have to live exactly as they lived.
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[citation][nom]gggplaya[/nom]It's called "Method Acting". In order to give the best most realistic performance, you have to become the character. You have to live exactly as they lived.[/citation]
Makes you wonder how bad an actor Kutcher would be if he didn't follow the method.
Makes you wonder how bad an actor Kutcher would be if he didn't follow the method.
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[citation][nom]Fulgurant[/nom]Makes you wonder how bad an actor Kutcher would be if he didn't follow the method.[/citation]
I don't think he's a bad actor at all. I don't know why people keep saying that. I find him believable in all of his roles, he doesn't come off as a B movie actor whose lines obviously come from a script. All these haters don't know how hard it is until they do it for themselves, which they can't.
I think people just see him as Kelso from that 70's show, and that's all he'll ever be to them.
I don't think he's a bad actor at all. I don't know why people keep saying that. I find him believable in all of his roles, he doesn't come off as a B movie actor whose lines obviously come from a script. All these haters don't know how hard it is until they do it for themselves, which they can't.
I think people just see him as Kelso from that 70's show, and that's all he'll ever be to them.
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You're entitled to your opinion, of course. Personally, I don't find Kutcher's performances terrible -- but if anyone tells me that the guy is so wrapped up in his art that he has to poison himself with a fruity diet to "inhabit the mind" of Steve Jobs, then I have to scoff a little. Where are the results to justify that effort?
Cause Kutcher may not be a terrible actor, but he sure as hell ain't a great one either. There are plenty of actors out there ten times better than Kutcher who can do the job without any of this method nonsense.
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JustPosting111 - the human body does not require grain. In fact, the human body has not yet even learned how to process grain. It's a toxin to us. Grain has only been around for about 10,000 years, and in evolutionary terms, that is nothing.
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[citation][nom]moogleslam[/nom]JustPosting111 - the human body does not require grain. In fact, the human body has not yet even learned how to process grain. It's a toxin to us. Grain has only been around for about 10,000 years, and in evolutionary terms, that is nothing.[/citation]
True, except for the 10,000 years part. Grain use in our diets is much much younger than that. In fact, nearly all diets revolve around Paleo, which is based on foods that cavemen ate. Basically foods that didn't need grinding, which are simply hunted or gathered.
True, except for the 10,000 years part. Grain use in our diets is much much younger than that. In fact, nearly all diets revolve around Paleo, which is based on foods that cavemen ate. Basically foods that didn't need grinding, which are simply hunted or gathered.
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[citation][nom]Fulgurant[/nom]You're entitled to your opinion, of course. Personally, I don't find Kutcher's performances terrible -- but if anyone tells me that the guy is so wrapped up in his art that he has to poison himself with a fruity diet to "inhabit the mind" of Steve Jobs, then I have to scoff a little. Where are the results to justify that effort?Cause Kutcher may not be a terrible actor, but he sure as hell ain't a great one either. There are plenty of actors out there ten times better than Kutcher who can do the job without any of this method nonsense.[/citation]
I can understand why he did the diet. He wasn't trying to cause himself physical harm, and method acting is not nonsense. He was simply trying to immerse himself in Steve Jobs "ZEN" lifestyle. The philosophy behind the design of all of his products, how they flow and move and the basis of some of the greatest operating system breakthroughs of our history.
All of the greats use method acting, so why can't a mid level actor??
I can understand why he did the diet. He wasn't trying to cause himself physical harm, and method acting is not nonsense. He was simply trying to immerse himself in Steve Jobs "ZEN" lifestyle. The philosophy behind the design of all of his products, how they flow and move and the basis of some of the greatest operating system breakthroughs of our history.
All of the greats use method acting, so why can't a mid level actor??
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[citation][nom]Fulgurant[/nom]Citation needed.[/citation]
Here's a few examples: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MethodActing
I also visited the harrisburg state hospital for a psychology field trip. This was where angelina jolie and winona ryder filmed "Girl Interrupted". I was told by the staff that Jolie would spend all of here days with the patients in between filmings and go to group sessions. She also stayed in character most of the time during these sessions. Jolie won an academy award, a golden globe award, and a screen actor guild award for her role as a mental patient in this film. A part which she played perfectly.
Here's a few examples: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MethodActing
I also visited the harrisburg state hospital for a psychology field trip. This was where angelina jolie and winona ryder filmed "Girl Interrupted". I was told by the staff that Jolie would spend all of here days with the patients in between filmings and go to group sessions. She also stayed in character most of the time during these sessions. Jolie won an academy award, a golden globe award, and a screen actor guild award for her role as a mental patient in this film. A part which she played perfectly.
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I don't dispute that method acting exists, and that some very successful actors use it. I do dispute the notion that "all the greats" do it, and I certainly don't subscribe to the notion -- as tacitly argued in the tvtropes link -- that all research/preparation for an acting role constitutes "method acting."
It's hilarious that a nothing actor like Shia LaBeouf would go to such lengths for his craft, though. Thanks for that nugget. That's almost as bad as Ashton Kutcher starving himself.
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[citation][nom]Fulgurant[/nom]I don't dispute that method acting exists, and that some very successful actors use it. I do dispute the notion that "all the greats" do it, and I certainly don't subscribe to the notion -- as tacitly argued in the tvtropes link -- that all research/preparation for an acting role constitutes "method acting."It's hilarious that a nothing actor like Shia LaBeouf would go to such lengths for his craft, though. Thanks for that nugget. That's almost as bad as Ashton Kutcher starving himself.[/citation]
All the Greats do some form of method acting. It doesn't have to be all the way to the extreme to be considered method acting. But someone who immerses themselves in the lives of their character in an effort to become like them is considered method acting.
Ashton Kutcher did not starve himself. He was eating mostly fruits which are very high in fructose, a form of sugar. He probably thought that since steve ate like that for so long that it was ok. I guess he didn't realize the pancreas can't handle that much sugar only intake.
All the Greats do some form of method acting. It doesn't have to be all the way to the extreme to be considered method acting. But someone who immerses themselves in the lives of their character in an effort to become like them is considered method acting.
Ashton Kutcher did not starve himself. He was eating mostly fruits which are very high in fructose, a form of sugar. He probably thought that since steve ate like that for so long that it was ok. I guess he didn't realize the pancreas can't handle that much sugar only intake.
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He starved himself by accident (or more precisely, he deprived himself of important nutrients and overdosed on others). That's what's so amazing; you'd think someone working on a high-budget movie would have the wherewithal and/or good sense to consult with a nutritionist first.
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Up next, watch as Ashton attempts to reenact Steve's acid trip experience.
Now thats a Jobs I would like to see!
Now thats a Jobs I would like to see!
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[citation][nom]Fulgurant[/nom]He starved himself by accident (or more precisely, he deprived himself of important nutrients and overdosed on others). That's what's so amazing; you'd think someone working on a high-budget movie would have the wherewithal and/or good sense to consult with a nutritionist first.[/citation]
No where does it say he starved himself or and you can't say it was a lack of essential nutrients being on the diet for so short a time. Fruitarianism is an actual diet which dates pertty far back, which many people go on mostly as a lifestyle for religious and other reasons. It's believed that fruitarianism is the first diet of Adam and Eve.
The word Diet doesn't mean restriction in food consumption. For instance american's eat a "western Diet" which is why everyone is so fat. I eat a paleolithic diet in which i do consume large portions of food, more than i did before. But that's because i work out, and the foods are all meats and vegetables.
The report stated that he had pancreatic problems, which is due to all the sugar he consumed. He basically OD'd on fructose. Others are living this diet without any issues like that. Again was just trying to immerse himself in the character, trying to get into a ZEN Fruitarian Lifestyle, reaching a path to enlightenment which was Steve Job's life and something he brought with him into all his products. I don't believe eating fruitarian was extreme at all. It's just that kutcher probably had a diet that was completly the opposite and tried to eat fruitarian overnight instead of weening himself onto it. The problem is that his body didn't know how to process the excess sugar. This is a problem with many people that try to switch off the western diet onto a healthier one overnight. Your body can't just flip a switch like that, learning how to fuel it self on carbs all it's life, to suddenly processing Fructose for it's main source of energy. Or in the case of paleo, switching from carbs to burning fats will sometimes lead to issues for people.
No where does it say he starved himself or and you can't say it was a lack of essential nutrients being on the diet for so short a time. Fruitarianism is an actual diet which dates pertty far back, which many people go on mostly as a lifestyle for religious and other reasons. It's believed that fruitarianism is the first diet of Adam and Eve.
The word Diet doesn't mean restriction in food consumption. For instance american's eat a "western Diet" which is why everyone is so fat. I eat a paleolithic diet in which i do consume large portions of food, more than i did before. But that's because i work out, and the foods are all meats and vegetables.
The report stated that he had pancreatic problems, which is due to all the sugar he consumed. He basically OD'd on fructose. Others are living this diet without any issues like that. Again was just trying to immerse himself in the character, trying to get into a ZEN Fruitarian Lifestyle, reaching a path to enlightenment which was Steve Job's life and something he brought with him into all his products. I don't believe eating fruitarian was extreme at all. It's just that kutcher probably had a diet that was completly the opposite and tried to eat fruitarian overnight instead of weening himself onto it. The problem is that his body didn't know how to process the excess sugar. This is a problem with many people that try to switch off the western diet onto a healthier one overnight. Your body can't just flip a switch like that, learning how to fuel it self on carbs all it's life, to suddenly processing Fructose for it's main source of energy. Or in the case of paleo, switching from carbs to burning fats will sometimes lead to issues for people.
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[citation][nom]Fulgurant[/nom]Semantics. He overdosed on sugar because he was trying to replace the meat in his diet with an overabundance of fruits.Whether you want to call it starving himself or something else, he foolishly altered his diet in a dangerous way.[/citation]
I wouldn't call it foolish and dangerous. Everyone is different and their bodies capable of handling foods in different ways. Some people can't handle gluten at all, which is the staple of the western diet. Many people go fruitarian and have no issues whatsoever. Some people go on atkins and paleo and have health issues, because again, your body needs to relearn how to process different nutrients instead of what it's used to. Mine handled the transition just fine.
Unfortunately ashton's body wasn't used to eating so much fructose and didn't know how to process it. This happens in some cases as people switch diets, it doesn't matter which type of diet. Western, Asian, Paleo, Atkins, Primal, Mediterranian, south beach, vegetarian, vegan etc..... For instance i had a friend go from a normal western diet to atkins overnight. He wanted to lose weight and passed out during our workout. He was eating alot, but his body couldn't process the fat for energy.
Most people doing the fruitarian diet do it as a spiritual excercise, as a form of detoxification. Eating fruits doesn't kill the plant, whereas eating vegetables does kill the plant, this is not very ZEN. This is actually the first time i've heard of someone having a health problem from eating fruitarian.
http://vegetarian.lovetoknow.com/Fruitarian_Diet
I wouldn't call it foolish and dangerous. Everyone is different and their bodies capable of handling foods in different ways. Some people can't handle gluten at all, which is the staple of the western diet. Many people go fruitarian and have no issues whatsoever. Some people go on atkins and paleo and have health issues, because again, your body needs to relearn how to process different nutrients instead of what it's used to. Mine handled the transition just fine.
Unfortunately ashton's body wasn't used to eating so much fructose and didn't know how to process it. This happens in some cases as people switch diets, it doesn't matter which type of diet. Western, Asian, Paleo, Atkins, Primal, Mediterranian, south beach, vegetarian, vegan etc..... For instance i had a friend go from a normal western diet to atkins overnight. He wanted to lose weight and passed out during our workout. He was eating alot, but his body couldn't process the fat for energy.
Most people doing the fruitarian diet do it as a spiritual excercise, as a form of detoxification. Eating fruits doesn't kill the plant, whereas eating vegetables does kill the plant, this is not very ZEN. This is actually the first time i've heard of someone having a health problem from eating fruitarian.
http://vegetarian.lovetoknow.com/Fruitarian_Diet
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[citation][nom]Fulgurant[/nom]You said yourself that Kutcher jumped into the fructarian pool too quickly. Whether the diet works in principle isn't at issue. Safe to say that Jobs put a little more thought and study into the matter.[/citation]
Hindsight is always 20/20. There was no way to know how Kutchers body would react to the diet. The people that i know that do fruitarian have never had an issue, or at least i haven't heard of it. Personally i tell people to ween between diets, but most people do not do that. They flip a switch one day and go totally over. Again most people's bodies can handle that, but there are some who can't. No way to know until it happens.
So i don't think he was trying to be wreckless, foolish, and dangerous as you made it out to be.
Hindsight is always 20/20. There was no way to know how Kutchers body would react to the diet. The people that i know that do fruitarian have never had an issue, or at least i haven't heard of it. Personally i tell people to ween between diets, but most people do not do that. They flip a switch one day and go totally over. Again most people's bodies can handle that, but there are some who can't. No way to know until it happens.
So i don't think he was trying to be wreckless, foolish, and dangerous as you made it out to be.
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