Asrock Makes Non-K Skylake CPU Overclocking Official With 'SKY OC' Z170 BIOS Update

[junkeymonkey]

it was not like xeon hurt there like I 5 /I 7 sales I would not think funny thing is the 1151 xeon chips have the split controller as well ?

http://ark.intel.com/products/88169/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E3-1240L-v5-8M-Cache-2_10-GHz

anyway my point was it was funny to me that as with 775 with a split controller there was no xeon support as well - it hard to look at a platform that so far only offers like what ? 10 chips over a not so old haswell platform that offers like 30 and xeon just to say your running ddr4 ??

I just cant see it

ome more thing about older 775 chipsets is look and see how many guys with thenm today that upgrade there memory to find the new ic's are not compatible/supported with them anymore

like this guy with a PFG41C-M LX 775 board and kingstons reply [also get this from like g-skill as well ]

''We do not currently support your PFG41C-M LX motherboard as we no longer manufacture memory that would be compatible with that motherboard.''

full reply
Hi, I'm Jewel with Kingston Technical Support and would like to offer our assistance. It is possible that the HyperX 4GB memory modules are Single Rank as the latest builds of that part number are Single Rank. Up until recently 4GB modules were standard Dual Rank. Basically, the issue that can occur is that the memory module uses high capacity individual memory chips (DRAM) that the motherboard is not equipped to recognize. Usually, if a motherboard is able to recognized standard 8GB modules it should not have an issue recognizing Single Rank 4GB modules. A "1R" may be printed on the label which would indicate it as single rank. Otherwise, we can confirm this based on a reference number printed on the memory label that we can look up in our system. Other common issue with the DDR2/DDR3 combo motherboards that can be overlooked is that it only supports DDR2 OR DDR3 memory. This means you cannot have both DDR2 AND DDR3 memory installed at the same time, it is an either/or option. We do not currently support your PFG41C-M LX motherboard as we no longer manufacture memory that would be compatible with that motherboard. For any further assistance, please call us at 1-800-435-0640 (USA and Canada only) M - F 6am - 6pm PT and I or another available Technician will assist you. Please be sure to have the part in question on hand when you call.


so will this road be traveled once more with 1151 ? the early memory today works but in a few years find nothing is compatible or made anymore and your stuck like that guy ??

like I said knowing what little things went on with 775 can repeat itself and maybe worth skipping until the true full ddr 4 chips and platform comes out ?? like with 1156 that came out after 775 you dot see any of that . memory you get today works -xeon support and all [??]

anyway it just a opinion and how I look at it overall .. I got a nice haswell going and don't really need skylake anytime soon , and if a z97 and all it compatible chips are around to get i'll just do it once more to get over the skylake hump..
its like having a flash back



I was thinking about what you brought up above from the statement I posted '' it was strictly a business decision ''

back in the 775 days the xeon was made on 771 but there was a adaptor to mod a xeon over to 775

http://www.delidded.com/lga-771-to-775-adapter/

http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-LGA-771-to-775-Adapters-for-Xeon-Mod-with-2-Intel-Xeon-Inside-stickers-/231293020634

but think how much it cost intel to make 2 different pined chips .. now today why not save all that money and make them all the same fab but hold back the bios support firmware ?? BIG savings on intels part doing it that way

and no adaptor work around [ lol]

 

[iam2thecrowe]

That is a bummer that you need to disable the IGPU. However, being able to overclock at all is pretty sweet! Good Job AsRock!

No loss there IMO. Budget gamers are going to love this. An overclockable i3 is what we have been waiting for. AMD will take another hit in budget gaming, many people chose the fx6300 for its OC abilities over an i3.

 

[jasonc519]

When BLCK is OC'd, the iGPU can work as standard VGA mode if not installing Intel driver.

 

[blazorthon]

it was not like xeon hurt there like I 5 /I 7 sales I would not think funny thing is the 1151 xeon chips have the split controller as well ?

http://ark.intel.com/products/88169/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E3-1240L-v5-8M-Cache-2_10-GHz

anyway my point was it was funny to me that as with 775 with a split controller there was no xeon support as well - it hard to look at a platform that so far only offers like what ? 10 chips over a not so old haswell platform that offers like 30 and xeon just to say your running ddr4 ??

I just cant see it

ome more thing about older 775 chipsets is look and see how many guys with thenm today that upgrade there memory to find the new ic's are not compatible/supported with them anymore

like this guy with a PFG41C-M LX 775 board and kingstons reply [also get this from like g-skill as well ]

''We do not currently support your PFG41C-M LX motherboard as we no longer manufacture memory that would be compatible with that motherboard.''

full reply
Hi, I'm Jewel with Kingston Technical Support and would like to offer our assistance. It is possible that the HyperX 4GB memory modules are Single Rank as the latest builds of that part number are Single Rank. Up until recently 4GB modules were standard Dual Rank. Basically, the issue that can occur is that the memory module uses high capacity individual memory chips (DRAM) that the motherboard is not equipped to recognize. Usually, if a motherboard is able to recognized standard 8GB modules it should not have an issue recognizing Single Rank 4GB modules. A "1R" may be printed on the label which would indicate it as single rank. Otherwise, we can confirm this based on a reference number printed on the memory label that we can look up in our system. Other common issue with the DDR2/DDR3 combo motherboards that can be overlooked is that it only supports DDR2 OR DDR3 memory. This means you cannot have both DDR2 AND DDR3 memory installed at the same time, it is an either/or option. We do not currently support your PFG41C-M LX motherboard as we no longer manufacture memory that would be compatible with that motherboard. For any further assistance, please call us at 1-800-435-0640 (USA and Canada only) M - F 6am - 6pm PT and I or another available Technician will assist you. Please be sure to have the part in question on hand when you call.


so will this road be traveled once more with 1151 ? the early memory today works but in a few years find nothing is compatible or made anymore and your stuck like that guy ??

like I said knowing what little things went on with 775 can repeat itself and maybe worth skipping until the true full ddr 4 chips and platform comes out ?? like with 1156 that came out after 775 you dot see any of that . memory you get today works -xeon support and all [??]

anyway it just a opinion and how I look at it overall .. I got a nice haswell going and don't really need skylake anytime soon , and if a z97 and all it compatible chips are around to get i'll just do it once more to get over the skylake hump..
its like having a flash back



I was thinking about what you brought up above from the statement I posted '' it was strictly a business decision ''

back in the 775 days the xeon was made on 771 but there was a adaptor to mod a xeon over to 775

http://www.delidded.com/lga-771-to-775-adapter/

http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-LGA-771-to-775-Adapters-for-Xeon-Mod-with-2-Intel-Xeon-Inside-stickers-/231293020634

but think how much it cost intel to make 2 different pined chips .. now today why not save all that money and make them all the same fab but hold back the bios support firmware ?? BIG savings on intels part doing it that way

and no adaptor work around [ lol]

LGA 775 doesn't have a "split" memory controller. LGA 775 was around for about a decade and DDR3 support arrived very late into that. The only reason LGA 775 came to support DDR3 was because the memory controller was integrated into the motherboard, not the CPU, so it was much more easily upgraded without a new batch of CPUs. Xeon support was lacking just because Intel wanted to make people pay more for professional chipset boards and things along those lines. It's the same thing again with Skylake; it was strictly a business decision to stop smart buyers from exploiting the better deals. The memory generation has nothing to do with it. Using an extremely long lived socket such as LGA 775 that was so radically different as an example just doesn't make sense.

The only problem with boards that adopt a new memory early on is that once denser memory chips come out, the now old board is not able to work with them any more than it is with an entirely different generation of memory. That has nothing to do with Xeon support or lack there of.

Furthermore, it costs Intel nothing to make two different binned chips in that sense of the botom of your post because they aren't making two different binned chips. The silicon used for the 771 and 775 CPUs was often the same, just with a different socket. Same chip (or chips as the case may be with MCM), different socket, same as with say the LGA models and the BGA models of identical CPUs. Intel's LGA 1151 Xeons would probably also use the same chips as their consumer models, just with different features enabled/disabled.

 

[junkeymonkey]

if you say so ? just too much coincidence how that work out . I canrt see limiting my self with it when haswell has non of the limitaions but no ddr4 support ? just like the memory thing is that where skylake is going to leave you ?? looks like when intel splits memory [ddr2/ddr3- ddr3/ddr4] that stuff pops up but when back to a full say ddr3 controller all's well and supported ,go figure

I guess no need to bring up intel tampering with usb support on this as well ?? and some guys find themselves high and dry - honestly what was the point in that as well ?
I guess usb is not as backward compatible as claimed and company's now dictate if it is or not so its now a proprietary hardware ?? I guess help them cause you maybe buying more new stuff that you may not of really needed to [keep your money flowing in to them]

You might be thinking that one can always take the bootable DVD route and even though research indicates that dependence on optical drives is diminishing by the second, it has its own caveats. You better hope that your motherboard has a PS/2 port because even while installing from a DVD, the USB ports wont work (during the install setup). If you have just one PS/2 port you will have to switch your PS/2 based mouse and keyboard as required through the entire process.

throw back to 1998 ?? come on been a long time that I had to pull out a ps/2 mouse/keyboard just to fire up [don't need this with haswell it all works well ]

I assume it all to get you over to 10 ?

I can understand asrock coming up with gimmicware to help hype things to smokescreen these short comings and prevent folks getting wise to them or help make them feel good when they relize it .. lol

I see its best to skip the split ddr platform and wait for the true full ddr platform old or new this stuff don't go on with them

then as long as your happy with it that's all that matters in the end

 

[Evan Shaffer]

I'm just going to sit here and wait for MSi's answer to this. Hopefully they roll out something similar.

 

[logainofhades]

Pity about XEONs and newer chipsets if that's true, as there were all sorts of XEON options for older chipsets, including X58, P55, P67, Z68, Z77, X79, etc., though vendor support doess vary (Gigabyte was good for X58, Asrock's always been good in general, ASUS supports XEONs only on some of its boards; don't know about MSI and EVGA).

I've read of many who couldn't afford an i7 870 and just obtained the equivalent XEON instead, oc's just as well. For X58, Gigabyte's UD3R was popular because of its XEON support (I have one with an E5540, and an Asrock board with an X5570).

Yes, I used to run an X3210 @3.6ghz, in an Abit IP35 pro. It was far cheaper than a Q6600, and the Q6400 was a rare OEM only chip.

 

[Xaltar]

This is great news for a lot of more budget minded builders. Not everyone can afford to splash out for both a Z170 motherboard and a K processor, this removes the need for the more costly of the 2 and allows massive performance gains from more budget oriented CPUs. It looks like a Skylake i3 will be the sweet spot for many budget gamers out there.