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Plastic support blocks of various sizes which can be attacked to the bottom of the motherboard in areas such as where the power supply connectors and other stiff connectors are located, When you spend a arm and a leg on a motherboard, you wont want to see it bending and risk breaking when you try to connect a stiff power supply connector.
2 ps/2 ports (many people still use older keyboards (many of which are built like a tank and have no need to replace)
Clear CMOS button (for those of us who like to overclock, if we end up using a setting that is not bootable, it is annoying to have to short 2 pins or pull out the battery, why not make a button for this?
Connection for a thermal probe and a wired thermal probe that can be placed in a specific area of the case of the users choice in order to monitor ambient temperatures more accurately.
Temperature monitoring for all of the chips that get hot on the motherboard
Internal USB port (some people may use a bootable usb or things such as readyboost and a internal USB port can be good to have.
Move the memory slots further away from the CPU, most large heatsinks tend to block the first few memory slots.
Better futureproof the USB ports by adding a bios option where users can adjust the power of the USB ports to lets say up to 10 amps ( at least for 1 USB port that way it can be used for devices that demand a lot of USB power or USB hubs)
***and for the more gimmick type features*****
IR receiver/ transmitter ( While it is not new, it can be good to have especially if it can be made to support a wide range of remotes in order to control the PC or at least some media functions. Imagine being able to go into config window, then select the remotes that you have and the PC will allow you to receive signals from the selected remotes
1 GB of onboard flash memory to store an image of a bootable linux distro (make it come with ubuntu) Most people never get around to installing those special OS that some companies offer with their motherboards that you have to download. Having a rescue OS preinstalled that can handle things such as backing up data on the hard drive, partitioning and many other things, on the board (with the option to boot into it in the post screen (like press delete to enter bios setup, press home or some other key to boot into ubuntu)
More detailed bios updates. most bios updates released by yours and many other companies are shockingly undescriptive, why cant you do what companies like nvidia do and include release notes that show what was changed in a bios update so people wont have to guess what was fixed or broken with the latest update.
10 gbit ethernet, servers get them, why cant out gaming PC's? We are tired of the network being the bottleneck for a NAS, build some boards with 10gbit ethernet, routers or switches that support it as well as NAS boxes that support it
VBIOS flashing, keep onboard flash memory that can allow users to save bios images to it, then create an option in the bios where a user can select a bios to test on their videocard and if the bios proves and have a option where it will flash it and if the setting is not saved, the next time the PC is shut down and turned on, it will restore the original bios.
It is annoying having to grab a old PCI videocard when you get a bad flash on your videocard in order to see enough to reflash the original bios to a videocard.
More accurate clock, for some reason the onboard clock on on pretty much all motherboards lose their accuracy and need to be corrected every once in a while.
Plugin power for the mic jack for the onboard sound card.
Memory flushing on shutdown and restart. For those who use encrypted drives, it is possible to recover the key by simply pulling the memory sticks out then placing then quickly into another computer then using a bootable tool to recover the key, actively flushing the memory on shutdown and restart may be helpful.
2 ps/2 ports (many people still use older keyboards (many of which are built like a tank and have no need to replace)
Clear CMOS button (for those of us who like to overclock, if we end up using a setting that is not bootable, it is annoying to have to short 2 pins or pull out the battery, why not make a button for this?
Connection for a thermal probe and a wired thermal probe that can be placed in a specific area of the case of the users choice in order to monitor ambient temperatures more accurately.
Temperature monitoring for all of the chips that get hot on the motherboard
Internal USB port (some people may use a bootable usb or things such as readyboost and a internal USB port can be good to have.
Move the memory slots further away from the CPU, most large heatsinks tend to block the first few memory slots.
Better futureproof the USB ports by adding a bios option where users can adjust the power of the USB ports to lets say up to 10 amps ( at least for 1 USB port that way it can be used for devices that demand a lot of USB power or USB hubs)
***and for the more gimmick type features*****
IR receiver/ transmitter ( While it is not new, it can be good to have especially if it can be made to support a wide range of remotes in order to control the PC or at least some media functions. Imagine being able to go into config window, then select the remotes that you have and the PC will allow you to receive signals from the selected remotes
1 GB of onboard flash memory to store an image of a bootable linux distro (make it come with ubuntu) Most people never get around to installing those special OS that some companies offer with their motherboards that you have to download. Having a rescue OS preinstalled that can handle things such as backing up data on the hard drive, partitioning and many other things, on the board (with the option to boot into it in the post screen (like press delete to enter bios setup, press home or some other key to boot into ubuntu)
More detailed bios updates. most bios updates released by yours and many other companies are shockingly undescriptive, why cant you do what companies like nvidia do and include release notes that show what was changed in a bios update so people wont have to guess what was fixed or broken with the latest update.
10 gbit ethernet, servers get them, why cant out gaming PC's? We are tired of the network being the bottleneck for a NAS, build some boards with 10gbit ethernet, routers or switches that support it as well as NAS boxes that support it
VBIOS flashing, keep onboard flash memory that can allow users to save bios images to it, then create an option in the bios where a user can select a bios to test on their videocard and if the bios proves and have a option where it will flash it and if the setting is not saved, the next time the PC is shut down and turned on, it will restore the original bios.
It is annoying having to grab a old PCI videocard when you get a bad flash on your videocard in order to see enough to reflash the original bios to a videocard.
More accurate clock, for some reason the onboard clock on on pretty much all motherboards lose their accuracy and need to be corrected every once in a while.
Plugin power for the mic jack for the onboard sound card.
Memory flushing on shutdown and restart. For those who use encrypted drives, it is possible to recover the key by simply pulling the memory sticks out then placing then quickly into another computer then using a bootable tool to recover the key, actively flushing the memory on shutdown and restart may be helpful.
1.) I think that if anything less than pci-e x16 works in an x16 slot get rid of the other x1,x4,x8 slots, in fact make all of them full speed pci-e x16.
2.) Sata 6.0 and usb 3 are backward compatible get rid of the sata 3.0 and usb 2
3.) Ide is no longer needed get rid of it
4.) put a bracket with board header or pci-e card in the box for any one still needing ps2, serial, parallel, or midi. I am sure some people will still need them for other things like electronics projects and older equipment that is no longer being made but is critical to their job/hobbies
5.)good on board Wi-Fi and Bluetooth (must work with win, linux, etc...
6.)on board intel light peak
7.)if there must be on board video give it its own ram slot, making it run like a discrete graphics card and not hog system memory
8.)even though people say it is dead, keep Fire wire 800
9.)coaxial and optical audio for people who want to use their stereo receivers
10.)no less than 2 gigabit eathernet ports
11.)put 2 sets of power ports on, 1 top, 1 bottom, set to use as single or redundant
12.)bios sli or crossfire, no need for the connectors, just install the cards tweak a setting or 2 and done
13.)power, reset, and bios reset on board
14.)as a previous commenter said an lcd that says post on boot but after that tells system info, temps, speeds, etc...
15.)and still come in at around $150 US dollars
2.) Sata 6.0 and usb 3 are backward compatible get rid of the sata 3.0 and usb 2
3.) Ide is no longer needed get rid of it
4.) put a bracket with board header or pci-e card in the box for any one still needing ps2, serial, parallel, or midi. I am sure some people will still need them for other things like electronics projects and older equipment that is no longer being made but is critical to their job/hobbies
5.)good on board Wi-Fi and Bluetooth (must work with win, linux, etc...
6.)on board intel light peak
7.)if there must be on board video give it its own ram slot, making it run like a discrete graphics card and not hog system memory
8.)even though people say it is dead, keep Fire wire 800
9.)coaxial and optical audio for people who want to use their stereo receivers
10.)no less than 2 gigabit eathernet ports
11.)put 2 sets of power ports on, 1 top, 1 bottom, set to use as single or redundant
12.)bios sli or crossfire, no need for the connectors, just install the cards tweak a setting or 2 and done
13.)power, reset, and bios reset on board
14.)as a previous commenter said an lcd that says post on boot but after that tells system info, temps, speeds, etc...
15.)and still come in at around $150 US dollars
dalauder
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I must acknowledge that I borrowed a couple ideas from others, but a lot of this is mine.
Data:
•4GB onboard bootable flash memory. That’s not even expensive, but serves several purposes: 1) It’s easier than using memory sticks & that HP utility to flash the bios. 2) It’s accessible from the OS and DOS as a 4GB HDD, which can be useful for emergency backup. 3) What if you make it accessible/writable by the BIOS/UEFI? (I didn't "borrow" this one.)
•Allow import/export of OC Profile from BIOS. Maybe export to onboard flash? This will allow saving/emailing/renaming of OC Profile to keep track of it.
•Good RAID 0/1/5/10 Controller.
•UEFI instead of BIOS
•Fast Post. 10 seconds to post on a top of the line machine is unacceptable.
Appearance:
•Always use complimenting color schemes with only two colors (three if using white, black, or grey). No purple mixed with orange, yellow, & green.
•PCB silicon should be black or blue only.
•Make more red boards (like red/black color schemes).
•Use translucent plastic to diffuse light indicating PSU power—my bright light messes up my interior color scheme.
Logistics:
•Easier access to CPU power connector. Move it somewhere, maybe near the ATX?
•Face two SATA connectors up.
•More rear USB ports, maybe 8? USB 2.0 is fine for all but two of these because most will attach to low data rate devices such as keyboards, mice, or printers.
•Stagger higher speed PCI-e double height slots for graphics cards with in-case exhaust. So it should go x16-x4-x16-x8 for a 4 PCI-e slot ATX board. It’s better if x1’s don’t go under the first double height x16.
•Stagger DIM slots so that having half the DIMMs full leaves gaps between RAM modules for cooling.
•Of course a bios reset button, not jumper.
Hardware:
•Integrated wireless. I’ve been running my desktop on wireless since 2005, but I don’t see why I still need to use a USB dongle in 2010.
•Abandon legacy support for PCI, IDE, & VGA especially. Only 1 PS2 port is necessary. Firewire is as dead as AGP.
•A SATA connector closer to the DVD drive would be nice, but is not worth a cost increase as longer SATA cables would be cheaper (& hide in the back panel on some cases).
•A good NB heatsink. Maybe it could be designed to allow RAM fans to mount? Eventually standards for NB coolers would be ideal.
Final Thought:
•I assumed details like using the best parts to allow the highest overclocks, how USB 3.0 is good, and how the BIOS should allow me to change settings are unnecessary.
•Develop a joint effort industry consortium (include ASUS, Gigabyte, EVGA, Biostar, Intel, AMD, & anyone else that’s relevant) to develop a standard to replace ATX. Make sure you consider why BTX failed. Work with your competitors because a reason to buy new motherboards is good for everyone.
Data:
•4GB onboard bootable flash memory. That’s not even expensive, but serves several purposes: 1) It’s easier than using memory sticks & that HP utility to flash the bios. 2) It’s accessible from the OS and DOS as a 4GB HDD, which can be useful for emergency backup. 3) What if you make it accessible/writable by the BIOS/UEFI? (I didn't "borrow" this one.)
•Allow import/export of OC Profile from BIOS. Maybe export to onboard flash? This will allow saving/emailing/renaming of OC Profile to keep track of it.
•Good RAID 0/1/5/10 Controller.
•UEFI instead of BIOS
•Fast Post. 10 seconds to post on a top of the line machine is unacceptable.
Appearance:
•Always use complimenting color schemes with only two colors (three if using white, black, or grey). No purple mixed with orange, yellow, & green.
•PCB silicon should be black or blue only.
•Make more red boards (like red/black color schemes).
•Use translucent plastic to diffuse light indicating PSU power—my bright light messes up my interior color scheme.
Logistics:
•Easier access to CPU power connector. Move it somewhere, maybe near the ATX?
•Face two SATA connectors up.
•More rear USB ports, maybe 8? USB 2.0 is fine for all but two of these because most will attach to low data rate devices such as keyboards, mice, or printers.
•Stagger higher speed PCI-e double height slots for graphics cards with in-case exhaust. So it should go x16-x4-x16-x8 for a 4 PCI-e slot ATX board. It’s better if x1’s don’t go under the first double height x16.
•Stagger DIM slots so that having half the DIMMs full leaves gaps between RAM modules for cooling.
•Of course a bios reset button, not jumper.
Hardware:
•Integrated wireless. I’ve been running my desktop on wireless since 2005, but I don’t see why I still need to use a USB dongle in 2010.
•Abandon legacy support for PCI, IDE, & VGA especially. Only 1 PS2 port is necessary. Firewire is as dead as AGP.
•A SATA connector closer to the DVD drive would be nice, but is not worth a cost increase as longer SATA cables would be cheaper (& hide in the back panel on some cases).
•A good NB heatsink. Maybe it could be designed to allow RAM fans to mount? Eventually standards for NB coolers would be ideal.
Final Thought:
•I assumed details like using the best parts to allow the highest overclocks, how USB 3.0 is good, and how the BIOS should allow me to change settings are unnecessary.
•Develop a joint effort industry consortium (include ASUS, Gigabyte, EVGA, Biostar, Intel, AMD, & anyone else that’s relevant) to develop a standard to replace ATX. Make sure you consider why BTX failed. Work with your competitors because a reason to buy new motherboards is good for everyone.
Foe the 890GX Chipset
• The motherboard theme is copper red, jet black, and metallic silver.
• Remove legacy connectors ex. Floppy, IDE, COM connectors
• If the customer really wants legacy connector, he/she would buy a delicate card using the PCI slot.
• There will be six expansion slots instead of seven.
• Must have front header USB 3.0 on inside the case, instead of having to route the USB 3.0 cable outside the case. Ideally it will be nice to have two 90 degrees female connectors next to the onboard native SATA III connectors.
• No more than 6 SATA III connectors on the motherboard. Anything more, looks clutter and a bit silly. Also have them at 90 degrees.
• The 6 SATA III connectors will have to option to have three different settings. Ex. SATA 0 and 1 will IDE, SATA 2 and 3 can be AHCI and SATA 4 and 5 can be RAID; all configured at the same time. Good for people who want HHD in raid, an SSD for the OS and the Optical drive.
• 8-pin CPU power female connector at the top left corner of the motherboard.
• For the 890GX, please have only two PCI-E slots at 8x and 8x crossfire. The bottom PCI-E is 16x and 3 spaces apart.
• 3 expansion slots separate between each PCI-E
• From in order top to bottom the expansion slots should be: PCI-E x1, PCI-E x16, PCI-E x1, PCI-E x8, PCI-E x16, PCI-E x1, PCI.
• Add led lights that tell how much ram is being used.
• The motherboard theme is copper red, jet black, and metallic silver.
• Remove legacy connectors ex. Floppy, IDE, COM connectors
• If the customer really wants legacy connector, he/she would buy a delicate card using the PCI slot.
• There will be six expansion slots instead of seven.
• Must have front header USB 3.0 on inside the case, instead of having to route the USB 3.0 cable outside the case. Ideally it will be nice to have two 90 degrees female connectors next to the onboard native SATA III connectors.
• No more than 6 SATA III connectors on the motherboard. Anything more, looks clutter and a bit silly. Also have them at 90 degrees.
• The 6 SATA III connectors will have to option to have three different settings. Ex. SATA 0 and 1 will IDE, SATA 2 and 3 can be AHCI and SATA 4 and 5 can be RAID; all configured at the same time. Good for people who want HHD in raid, an SSD for the OS and the Optical drive.
• 8-pin CPU power female connector at the top left corner of the motherboard.
• For the 890GX, please have only two PCI-E slots at 8x and 8x crossfire. The bottom PCI-E is 16x and 3 spaces apart.
• 3 expansion slots separate between each PCI-E
• From in order top to bottom the expansion slots should be: PCI-E x1, PCI-E x16, PCI-E x1, PCI-E x8, PCI-E x16, PCI-E x1, PCI.
• Add led lights that tell how much ram is being used.
Some ideas you might find interesting:
1) Decorative LEDs that shine on the motherboard and not in the eyes, that you can control the color, and can be turned off (through the windows desktop or with a button on back)
2) USB slots that are illuminated so that you can plug usb devices in the dark, or an LED on the I/O shield itself
3) SATA slots that face up instead of right angle only where they won't interfere with the video card.
4) Internal usb slot for hard drives or cathode lights
5) Small LED projector that you can project custom words or pictures on the side of the case through the plexiglass window.
6) Or, Small customizable Led screen for fun and for troubleshooting
7) For mini ITX boards, built in infrared reciever and remote control or television tuner
8) Removable brackets attached to the motherboard for supporting heavy, long video cards
9) Built-in ram cooling fan
10) Built in SD card reader for cameras and iPods
11) 5 1/4" bay Fan controller unit to control the fans connected to the motherboard
12) Front panel sound and 8 pin power connectors should be moved towards the right side of the board so that we dont have to rout wires under the video card
13) Interchangable heatsinks for personality, could include a couple of different ones in the box
1) Decorative LEDs that shine on the motherboard and not in the eyes, that you can control the color, and can be turned off (through the windows desktop or with a button on back)
2) USB slots that are illuminated so that you can plug usb devices in the dark, or an LED on the I/O shield itself
3) SATA slots that face up instead of right angle only where they won't interfere with the video card.
4) Internal usb slot for hard drives or cathode lights
5) Small LED projector that you can project custom words or pictures on the side of the case through the plexiglass window.
6) Or, Small customizable Led screen for fun and for troubleshooting
7) For mini ITX boards, built in infrared reciever and remote control or television tuner
8) Removable brackets attached to the motherboard for supporting heavy, long video cards
9) Built-in ram cooling fan
10) Built in SD card reader for cameras and iPods
11) 5 1/4" bay Fan controller unit to control the fans connected to the motherboard
12) Front panel sound and 8 pin power connectors should be moved towards the right side of the board so that we dont have to rout wires under the video card
13) Interchangable heatsinks for personality, could include a couple of different ones in the box
Graham_71
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Iv just had a last minute idea to further my idea posted 09/17/2010 4:19 AM "The opposite of a turbo button"
Instead of just switching between full speed & 10%, There could be two or even three speed settings programmable in Bios between 1% to 100%, with some way for the user to at any time toggle between those predetermined speeds. Could be a hardwire switch or even a key combination form the keyboard.
Instead of just switching between full speed & 10%, There could be two or even three speed settings programmable in Bios between 1% to 100%, with some way for the user to at any time toggle between those predetermined speeds. Could be a hardwire switch or even a key combination form the keyboard.
I know I'm past the deadline, so all I'll add is that I'd like to see a much improved GUI for the bios. Every one I've ever seen is so boring! Too basic. Make the bios have better looking graphics! A lot of the other stuff I'd like has been covered to death. Rearrange components like the ram and power connectors. Get rid of older tech that the new stuff is backwards compatible with anyway. Thanks!
A dual atom processor on a micro-ATX MoBo with at least 8 SATA connection, on-board 0/1/5/10 raid, power plug for USB device management for a low power mid-scale file server.
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I would like to see a MOBO that can load any OS in two seconds. Also I would like a MOBO that it has at the BIOS level a list with predefined setups for OC so that I only have to choose from that list to be sure that it's going to work. No need for a sophisticated integrated graphic chip since we all use video cards. Also would be nice to have an easy access to all of the MOBO's components.
I owned two AsRock boards that supported AGP and PCI Express, they also supported DDR and SD RAM. Loved the board. I've never seen a board that supports dual support for Intel / AMD. I know there is a vast difference in architecture, but I don't see why it's not possible if they can do multi-processor boards already.
Huge fan of the comment above about lit USB ports. Even better would be the ability to enable / disable any "lit" portions of the board, from the decorative LED's that have been mentioned to the ports to the northbridge to the "grounded" LED to the device checklist LED's that illuminate red/green when something incompatible is plugged in. IE, SATA hd when should be SATA III. That could glow yellow, red if hd is going bad or has an error, and green if it's a match and everything is good.
A day late, but what the heck.
How about a built to order MoBo? I know what I have and what I want. Why do I need 15 different video connectors when all I want is one of whatever type I need to hook up my monitor? I want this and this, but to get it I have to pay an extra $100 and get 10 features I'll never use. Or this sweet board has everything I want except 1 tiny feature that I have to move up to full ATX to get. Or I have a card that I want to reuse and a new one that I plan to buy but there is only 1 of the right type of slot availabe and 3 of another type that I won't use taking up the real estate. Or I want all these new features but want to reuse an older high end processor.
So my suggestion: Built to order motherboards.
How about a built to order MoBo? I know what I have and what I want. Why do I need 15 different video connectors when all I want is one of whatever type I need to hook up my monitor? I want this and this, but to get it I have to pay an extra $100 and get 10 features I'll never use. Or this sweet board has everything I want except 1 tiny feature that I have to move up to full ATX to get. Or I have a card that I want to reuse and a new one that I plan to buy but there is only 1 of the right type of slot availabe and 3 of another type that I won't use taking up the real estate. Or I want all these new features but want to reuse an older high end processor.
So my suggestion: Built to order motherboards.
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[citation][nom]dustcrusher[/nom]Replace beep codes with a simple display- all we'd need is something that can do 4 letters: "MEM1" would be memory slot 1, "PROC" for the processor, etc. Beep codes are a pain.[/citation]
ASRock already has troubleshooting displays, so a half facepalm (if that's possible) to me, but a 4 character display could mean breaking out the manual less often.
ASRock already has troubleshooting displays, so a half facepalm (if that's possible) to me, but a 4 character display could mean breaking out the manual less often.
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I believe it's possible to build an ATX dual socket 1366 / single socket G34 with high-end power circuitry (which allows overclocking) with final price no higher than $200 if all frills are left out. A killer.
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Who cares about the best onboard audio while a real sound card is far superior?
Who cares about having half a dozen ethernet interfaces while most homes/small offices use wireless and the enterprice prefer high-end redundant ethernet controllers or even fiber?
Who cares about having the best onboard video while a real gamer would spend much more than the price of a motherboard on the latest discrete graphics card in order to get more FPS, higher resolution and image quality?
Who cares about having over a dozen SATA/SAS ports while they're disgusting to get working drivers and RAID is nowhere as good as real RAID cards?
All these questions can be answered at once:
Only the ones who don't know how about PC hardware would care about. For those any salesman would probably recommend Dell, HP and so on...
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Who cares about the best onboard audio while a real sound card is far superior?
Who cares about having half a dozen ethernet interfaces while most homes/small offices use wireless and the enterprice prefer high-end redundant ethernet controllers or even fiber?
Who cares about having the best onboard video while a real gamer would spend much more than the price of a motherboard on the latest discrete graphics card in order to get more FPS, higher resolution and image quality?
Who cares about having over a dozen SATA/SAS ports while they're disgusting to get working drivers and RAID is nowhere as good as real RAID cards?
All these questions can be answered at once:
Only the ones who don't know how about PC hardware would care about. For those any salesman would probably recommend Dell, HP and so on...
cyntil8ing
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I don't like double posting, but I would really want to promote these ideas:
Idea 1:
Scrap all sub x16 PCIe slots and use only PCIe x16 slots for PCIe. An x1, x2, x4 and x8 expansion card is compatible with a PCIe x16 slot but a slot that is smaller than the connector of the expansion card is not compatible with it unless you make modifications that will void warranty.
Idea 2:
Please scrap all these cheapo JMicron chips for OnBoard SATA. I've had so much trouble with these in all operating system environments (WinXP/7, Linux and OpenSolaris). They will only ruin you reputation.
Instead use for example LSI's MegaRAID chips. If you want to stay cheap use those MegaRAID chips that only support RAID 0, 1, and 1E. They would be well worth the cost. If I were to design a MoBo I would use an LSI 1068E (8-ports of basic SATAII) or 2008e (8-ports of basic SATA III) and add one or two SAS SFF-8087 ports. Those SAS->SATA fan-out cables are really nice and makes connecting hardware easier and you don't have to clutter up the MoBo with a dozen of SATA ports. Here's what a SFF-8087 MultiLane port (one port to rule them all...) looks like on a motherboard:
One port to rule them all...
And here's what a SATA cable for that port could look like:
Sample SATA Fan-Out cable
Of course you don't have to use SFF ports. You could for example let four of the lanes be e.g. 2xSATA+2xESATA. There is also an external version of the SAS port (known as SFF-8088). THere are also 4-lane (4 SATA ports) versions of the MegaRAID chips; 1064E/2004E.
The reason I suggest LSI here is that they are very stable with mature drivers for most platforms (Windows[from 3.1/MS-DOS to Win7 i386/x64, 2008 Server etc.], Linux, *BSD, Solaris, OpenSolaris, MacPPC, Mac OS9, MacOSX ...) and they have been around for several years (at least the SATAII chips). Some of the Intel (e.g. IOP333 or IOP343 I don't know much about their later lines of SAS/SATA chips) could be a good deal as they also are very stable and have good driver support for different platforms. I wouldn't choose Marvell as many of their chips have poor driver support as of now and their new chips usually only support a few platforms.
Idea 1:
Scrap all sub x16 PCIe slots and use only PCIe x16 slots for PCIe. An x1, x2, x4 and x8 expansion card is compatible with a PCIe x16 slot but a slot that is smaller than the connector of the expansion card is not compatible with it unless you make modifications that will void warranty.
Idea 2:
Please scrap all these cheapo JMicron chips for OnBoard SATA. I've had so much trouble with these in all operating system environments (WinXP/7, Linux and OpenSolaris). They will only ruin you reputation.
Instead use for example LSI's MegaRAID chips. If you want to stay cheap use those MegaRAID chips that only support RAID 0, 1, and 1E. They would be well worth the cost. If I were to design a MoBo I would use an LSI 1068E (8-ports of basic SATAII) or 2008e (8-ports of basic SATA III) and add one or two SAS SFF-8087 ports. Those SAS->SATA fan-out cables are really nice and makes connecting hardware easier and you don't have to clutter up the MoBo with a dozen of SATA ports. Here's what a SFF-8087 MultiLane port (one port to rule them all...) looks like on a motherboard:
One port to rule them all...
And here's what a SATA cable for that port could look like:
Sample SATA Fan-Out cable
Of course you don't have to use SFF ports. You could for example let four of the lanes be e.g. 2xSATA+2xESATA. There is also an external version of the SAS port (known as SFF-8088). THere are also 4-lane (4 SATA ports) versions of the MegaRAID chips; 1064E/2004E.
The reason I suggest LSI here is that they are very stable with mature drivers for most platforms (Windows[from 3.1/MS-DOS to Win7 i386/x64, 2008 Server etc.], Linux, *BSD, Solaris, OpenSolaris, MacPPC, Mac OS9, MacOSX ...) and they have been around for several years (at least the SATAII chips). Some of the Intel (e.g. IOP333 or IOP343 I don't know much about their later lines of SAS/SATA chips) could be a good deal as they also are very stable and have good driver support for different platforms. I wouldn't choose Marvell as many of their chips have poor driver support as of now and their new chips usually only support a few platforms.
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the best motherboard should be small and efficient, mATX with one legacy PCI slot, two PCI x16 slots and one x8. Lots of USB3/SATA3 and memory slots and as silent as possible.. Support for 6core CPU and give it a silver color. Try to make a special edition that's see through!
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1. Remove the pin system for fan connectors, front lights, power, etc. Go with one standard plug in style.
2. All 40 pin power connectors at top of motherboard.
3. RAM slots that are horiz. instead of vert. and have a metal heatsink cover.
4. Quick pin connect adapters for CPU. One button heatsink/cpu removal.
5. Water cooling pipes built into motherboard.
6. Upgradable chipsets
7. Built in HDTV tuner
8. Built in 802.11n, Bluetooth, and 4G standard.
9. Hotswap Buses/Cards (PCIe, PCI, etc) that can slide outside case without opening.
10. BTX style thinking on air cooling.
11. LED case lighting built onto motherboard (bling)
12. Talking instead of BIOS error beep codes.
13. Standoffs built onto bottom
14. GUI based BIOS
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2. All 40 pin power connectors at top of motherboard.
3. RAM slots that are horiz. instead of vert. and have a metal heatsink cover.
4. Quick pin connect adapters for CPU. One button heatsink/cpu removal.
5. Water cooling pipes built into motherboard.
6. Upgradable chipsets
7. Built in HDTV tuner
8. Built in 802.11n, Bluetooth, and 4G standard.
9. Hotswap Buses/Cards (PCIe, PCI, etc) that can slide outside case without opening.
10. BTX style thinking on air cooling.
11. LED case lighting built onto motherboard (bling)
12. Talking instead of BIOS error beep codes.
13. Standoffs built onto bottom
14. GUI based BIOS
..
Replace the board's base color, something that may look appealing in an acrylic case, or any case with window. A glossy finish or a pearlescent coating, a color that enhances the effect of just any color types of a lighting that is installed. Like a car on a car show. Add some kick as design to your Piping and Heat Sink design, something like a unique two or three pipes intertwined design. and some glossy finish color that will reflect on the lightnings installed. And change the name something like the "dark extreme" for the theme. A theme that may compliment the blue and white company color and try a little darker blue and a little dirty white. and lastly a lucid hydra chip.
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These Are ASRock's Favorite Motherboard Ideas
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/motherboard-contest-ideas-mobo-design,11447.html
I'd like to see:
- smart energy efficiency to help reduce heat & energy costs.
- increase in life-span (MSI does a bit of that with their solid state capacitors in their MoBos & GPU's).
- Upgradable chipsets
- Upgradable Onboard video (not everyone is a gamer)
- Fiber Optics wiring in next generation MoBos (wherever useful).
- I'd like to be able to select what specific features & options I get on my Mobo so I don't have to pay for things I'll never use.
I like these ideas & many more:
Trebormojo "How about a built to order MoBo? I know what I have and what I want. Why do I need 15 different video connectors when all I want is one of whatever type I need to hook up my monitor? I want this and this, but to get it I have to pay an extra $100 and get 10 features I'll never use. Or this sweet board has everything I want except 1 tiny feature that I have to move up to full ATX to get. Or I have a card that I want to reuse and a new one that I plan to buy but there is only 1 of the right type of slot availabe and 3 of another type that I won't use taking up the real estate. Or I want all these new features but want to reuse an older high end processor.
So my suggestion: Built to order motherboards."
These seem like great ideas to me:
billj214 "- Energy conservation options - option to turn off unused PCI cards, HDD's, USB ports etc by the user and a display showing actual power usage in watts. (Visually seeing power usages makes people more aware)."
Motamedn "3) better cable management. Put all plugs from case/PSU on periphery...you could even experiment with putting them on the BACK of the mobo??"
Now that's a great idea. It would work great with these new cases that specifically allow cabling to be run on the back side of the Mobo. That would be great to put as many connections on the backside of the Mobo as possible. It would help air flow & would eliminate having to connect/disconnect in tight spaces.
Corsair 600T Graphite Mid Tower Case
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64JDcsyQqt8
Now if case manufacturers would upgrade how the Mobo connects to the case to a snap-in/snap-out thing.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/motherboard-contest-ideas-mobo-design,11447.html
I'd like to see:
- smart energy efficiency to help reduce heat & energy costs.
- increase in life-span (MSI does a bit of that with their solid state capacitors in their MoBos & GPU's).
- Upgradable chipsets
- Upgradable Onboard video (not everyone is a gamer)
- Fiber Optics wiring in next generation MoBos (wherever useful).
- I'd like to be able to select what specific features & options I get on my Mobo so I don't have to pay for things I'll never use.
I like these ideas & many more:
Trebormojo "How about a built to order MoBo? I know what I have and what I want. Why do I need 15 different video connectors when all I want is one of whatever type I need to hook up my monitor? I want this and this, but to get it I have to pay an extra $100 and get 10 features I'll never use. Or this sweet board has everything I want except 1 tiny feature that I have to move up to full ATX to get. Or I have a card that I want to reuse and a new one that I plan to buy but there is only 1 of the right type of slot availabe and 3 of another type that I won't use taking up the real estate. Or I want all these new features but want to reuse an older high end processor.
So my suggestion: Built to order motherboards."
These seem like great ideas to me:
billj214 "- Energy conservation options - option to turn off unused PCI cards, HDD's, USB ports etc by the user and a display showing actual power usage in watts. (Visually seeing power usages makes people more aware)."
Motamedn "3) better cable management. Put all plugs from case/PSU on periphery...you could even experiment with putting them on the BACK of the mobo??"
Now that's a great idea. It would work great with these new cases that specifically allow cabling to be run on the back side of the Mobo. That would be great to put as many connections on the backside of the Mobo as possible. It would help air flow & would eliminate having to connect/disconnect in tight spaces.
Corsair 600T Graphite Mid Tower Case
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64JDcsyQqt8
Now if case manufacturers would upgrade how the Mobo connects to the case to a snap-in/snap-out thing.
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