Asus' G51J: Affordable Core i7 Mobile Gaming?

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[citation][nom]tortnotes[/nom]danwat1234, that's not a design defect, it's a feature. If both switches were spring loaded it'd be a lot harder to remove the battery. My HP laptop is built the same way, and it hasn't caused any major problems... just be careful how you carry it![/citation]

I understand what your saying. It would be hard to remove the battery by holding back the two sliders and flicking the battery out with fingers. The problem is that this non spring loaded slider is on the same side as where the battery terminals are ... if they reversed which sliders were spring loaded, it would be unlikely that power could be cut with the one still latched in..
 
I have one of these, had it for about 1 week and it is nasty. It it my 1st laptop ever but it beats up my E8400 @4GHz desktop =)

The Core i7 is amazing and I slipped in a 80 GB Intel SSD since it comes with 2 320GB drives. Solid state owns face.

This laptop plays Left 4 Dead and other steam games like TF2, Borderlands around 60 FPS (also locked with vsync) at 1080 with some eye candy filters on!
 
I'm surprised no one has stated a rather obvious fact about this article. Why in the hell are you comparing a 15" laptop with two 17" laptops? Apples to Apples, not Apples to Oranges. Compare it with Alienware's 15" and Sager/Clevo, or other 15" laptops. People would be getting a 15" laptop because that's what they are looking for. If people want a 17" laptop, then they will be looking for that.
 
[citation][nom]mac_angel[/nom]I'm surprised no one has stated a rather obvious fact about this article. Why in the hell are you comparing a 15" laptop with two 17" laptops? Apples to Apples, not Apples to Oranges. Compare it with Alienware's 15" and Sager/Clevo, or other 15" laptops. People would be getting a 15" laptop because that's what they are looking for. If people want a 17" laptop, then they will be looking for that.[/citation]

Sanity is why. Asus's processor is a market-replacement for the one in MSI's notebook. Asus's GPU is NVIDIA's competitive solution for the ATI module in MSI's notebook. Apples-to apples applies to hardware too.

In fact, going by gaming frame rates, hardware level is the only way to compare notebook performance. It's as close to a perfect comparison of previous-generation to new-generation technology you'll find. Display size doesn't affect performance.

Also, the Asus and MSI notebooks are about the same size. MSI uses more of the lid for its larger panel. Asus wastes more space.

As for the Eurocom, it's the Desktop-vs-Notebook Core i7 comparison. It has nothing to do with price, it's all about relative performance.

Of course this is explained in the article.
 
As for the Eurocom, it's the Desktop-vs-Notebook Core i7 comparison. It has nothing to do with price, it's all about relative performance.

Of course this is explained in the article.
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If it has nothing to do with price, you should change the title so it doesn't include the word, "Affordable".

"Asus' G51J: Affordable Core i7 Mobile Gaming?"

You might also want to change the wording in your summary:

Mobility and gaming have been at odds for a long time, but Asus thinks its G51J could be the solution. With Intel Core i7 Mobile CPU technology and Nvidia’s recent GeForce GTX-260M, is this mid-sized, mid-priced notebook too good to be true at ~$1,500?
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It all points to me that it has everything to do with the price with the relative performance results of your tests.

I would think with the results of your tests, the D900F costing at ~$2,000 is much better than the Asus' G51J at ~$1,500. Not only that, but that you put the cost of a non-DIY D900F at $4,500 on a hardware site where a good portions of users visit to build their own machines?
 
Right, the price difference between the D900F and the other notebooks is constantly mentioned. But the Asus and MSI are in the same class for everything BUT screen size, and that's only because Asus has a wider frame around its screen.

IE, Asus economized a little on the screen for a notebook that would otherwise be considered the same size class as the MSI. We think the larger MSI screen is worth the extra $100 but that when you equalize the cost of "everything else" by making such an adjustment, the newer hardware looks a little better.

And that's really the point: At a similar price the new hardware outpaces the old slightly. Loads of notebooks using the older hardware are still being manufactured, so now you can see how much of a difference there is.
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I agree with the Asus and MSI comparison. An i7 720QM looks to be very good against a Q9000. An important comparison to include would be to have a notebook that had a T9600 (or 2.8GHz Dual Core) to see where the differences lie between a single-threaded workload (one core), to a lightly-threaded workload (2 cores), to a highly-threaded workloads (4 cores).

Single-threaded workload (1 core) - The i7 720QM and the T9600 should be the same, if the Intel Turbo Boost works as designed since both CPU's would be working at 2.8 GHz frequencies.

Lightly-threaded workload (2 cores) - The T9600 should have the advantage here, since the Intel Turbo Boost would utilize one more core at a slightly lower frequency. This test result showing the T9600 having the lead would better compare what's better between an i7 720QM and a Q9000 during lightly-threaded workloads.

Highly-threaded workloads (4 cores) - The Q9000 should have the advantage here, as it would operate at a 2.0 GHz frequency as opposed to a 1.6 GHz for 4 cores. However, how much having hyper-threading disable or enabled makes a difference with the i7 720QM would be a great addition.

The difference between the GTX 260M and the Radeon HD 4850 (mobile) seem favorable to the Radeon HD 4850 (mobile). You do have to throw away the 1920 x 1200 results for the ASUS, unless you scaled down the resolutions for the others to 1920 x 1080 for frame rate comparisons. Game frame rate tests would be a little more difficult to compare unless you would be able to find an i7 720QM rig that had a Radeon HD 4850 or a Q9000 rig that had a GTX 260M to compare.

Price comparisons shouldn't need to come into play. This article should have been broken up into 3 articles. One for the CPU differences, one for the GPU differences, and one for notebook values based on the results.

One notebook could be better for gaming, but another could be better for running applications for a workstation/multimedia machine. That would be a more difficult article.

 


Excellent analysis, I guess that's why you call yourself the captain!
 
testing laptops in defrent standards means this compration is not fair higher res leach more power and drain its core wich is easyer for lower res to jump of higher shoulders
 
[citation][nom]jassim[/nom]testing laptops in defrent standards means this compration is not fair higher res leach more power and drain its core wich is easyer for lower res to jump of higher shoulders[/citation]

The two cheapest systems are in the same price class, same CPU class, and same GPU class, and were tested at the same resolutions.
 
Why did I get get a '-6' on my question about RAID support? How does this deserve thumbs down!? RAID stand for Redundant Array of Independent/Inexpensive Disks NOT anything immature .. lol some people hate me here..
 
[citation][nom]danwat1234[/nom]Why did I get get a '-6' on my question about RAID support? How does this deserve thumbs down!? RAID stand for Redundant Array of Independent/Inexpensive Disks NOT anything immature .. lol some people hate me here..[/citation]

You probably got downgraded for not reading the article:

The G51J BIOS provides no mode selection for the hard drive controller, so setting these in RAID is not an option. For benchmarking purposes, it’s best to consider only the single drive that’s being tested, since the other is nothing more than added storage.
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