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When I say they died spiritually, they seperated themselves from God, as sin cannot exist in the presence of God
So, in essence, they lost His presence, or died, for without God there is no life
Eventually, they were supposed to be immortal, as were we all, but sin within them, and eventually more and more thruout the world, they died
Each generation lived a shorter and shorter life, til we have what we have today
 


first of all.. if you werent starving, maybe somebody reading the thread was.

and single celled organisms are in fact the main point of discussion when talking about the evolution of all living creatures.
teachers in science class dont usually talk about going all the way back to the creation of atoms.
maybe because they dont know.
maybe because school policy prevents them from coming into conflict with religious families.
and
maybe it isnt said to simply prevent the teacher from being harassed by the religious students and/or their families.

you start talking about how atoms are created and you instantly put out a fire for all of the religious people.
 


umm.. no dude.
and you didnt express yourself when you tried.

you acknowledge something.. that is your personal will.
whether your chemical structure allows you to acknowledge or ignore something is quite a bigger subject matter.
to say that you have a feeling of being scared, that doesnt mean there is a real reason to be.. but your chemicals in your body are helping to provide those feelings.
this can grow to the point of words and sentences being spoken, literally because the person is simply saying what they feel inside and the person thinks they are 'expressing themselves'

self-processing of the environment?
what environment?
the inside of their brain?
the inside of their brain combined with their chest and back (or butt and feet?)
the space within the 4 walls that surround the person?

you are mixing a definition of a word with a definition that some use to describe an emotional state of time.
to say you walked up and slapped me in a moment of faith is to say.. i was acknowledging something and waiting for the final outcome.
waiting it waiting, just as not paying attention is not paying attention.
your chunk of time is not pinpoint precise enough when you start adding in things.

you completely disrespect the word 'waiting' to be using the word faith.
every single word is supposed to have its own unique identity.
but as proven here, you have chosen to disrespect the beauty of unique.

it seems somewhere along the lines of life.. people started to care more about what the person was trying to say than what they where actually saying.
and i can clearly see why it is important.. because if you are using slang and are misunderstood, you should have the passion to break down the situation you are trying to describe and give a list of details.. rather than trying to cram everything into one word.
some people want only one word and nothing else.
other people want the whole long paragaph (or chapter) describing it all.
as it is proven, wrapping something up into one single word is not enough.. some things get left out, and using more than one word creates some things being described that were actually not there.
and that is the truth of the english language.
you might get angry that a person didnt say the sequence of words in the same order that matches how the feelings went.
but
another person might be angry because there are some electrical feelings that were created from those words, and they simply do not exist in the description of the feelings as they happened.

the creation of fancy words was too quick, not everybody got a chance to memorize the exact energy that the word describes.
and for the longest time, people have added or subtracted energy when they choose what word to describe their emotional energy.
perhaps if we had the time to share, we would have been using the words more often.
and
perhaps if we didnt allow people to be artistic and creative, we wouldnt have had any arguement.
i believe it is because there was people who put their foot down and said 'my sensuality is more sensitive than yours.. because i see this this this and this from that word'
and i believe those moments truly embarassed those who had previously thought all of the energy for the word was compensated for.

just take your everyday picture on a table mat.
you go to the store and tell the children to find all of the objects in the picture.
some people really stop and dont see the rest of the items.
other people..
well they can continue and say 'hey.. this looks like a ___. why isnt it on the list?'

since creativity, art, and passion created all spoken languages.. it is only inevitable that a person comes along to show how bipolar a single word can be.
it is all about getting into the pit and showing other people what you feel and think.

if you dare question the validity of this.. just have a look at the many different spellings of the word 'tu'
there is:
to
too
two
tu

all because the SOUND of the word has that many different ways it COULD be used.
but that brings us to VISUAL spelling of the word.. and the same spelling is not to be capable of being used differently.
perhaps this is another reason why human evolution gave us the ability to see.
because somebody said something and they wanted to know what in the world they were talking about.
you hear the person repeating the same thing over and over again.. and you still have no clue about what they are talking about.. so you want to see it bad enough, you grew some eyeballs.
and
i think it is possible there was a severe lack of trust back then.
if a person says close your eyes and let me describe something to you for you to imagine the description in your head.
one of a few things is going to happen:
1. the person listening cant grasp what you are trying to say.
2. the person talking cant say exactly what they feel.
3. the person listening might be getting abused by the talker, as the description goes way out one way and then way out a different way.. leading to a headache or vomitting.

but inevitably.. it involves a conflict of intelligence.
the listener was too stupid to hear and feel what the person was saying.
the talker was too stupid to say exactly what.
or
the talker was much more intelligent than the listener, because the listener had no idea the talker would treat them that way.
same could be said about the talker though.
maybe the talker was too stupid to realize the listener would be weak and get a headache or vomit from the story.

it is a solid chance that the amount of diversity was very high back before anything ever had eyeballs to visually see anything.
and that brings us to the different foods we eat.. as well as the different environments we are in.
 


these two are beautiful.
the truth behind the universe not worrying about itself is high enough to cause extinction level events.
and as we all know, extinction happens.
it isnt about surivival of the fittest here when the thing being exterminated cannot save itself from being eaten until it is all gone.
the animal doing the eating should have been smart enough to look for seeds (if any) and plant those seeds in the same area to make certain there would be more of the plant to eat.
but
the universe is the way it is, and if those new seeds refused to grow in the same area.. the plant would die anyways.
you could plant the seeds close together, and then far apart.. and then in a different area altogether.
if the seed is broken, it wont grow.. and that is all there is to it.
maybe there wasnt enough rain to feed the plant that year and they are all dead, including their seeds.


but
i like the second statement above, although i think the last part should be 'and thus the chance to feel special (or be made to feel special)'

really read what was said.
we are scum of the earth (insignificant) because of the facts we lack.. we dont exist as important.

there is no 'and yet we do' here.
you either exist and important or you dont.
and you either exist on this earth or you dont, no 'yet' about it.
the abusive would say 'you are stupid and you dont exist' .. but you are on the planet and havent changed planets.

simply because you participate in some small talk does not make you insignificant.
as what you did yesterday or are going to do tomorrow can be enough to add to your profile.
spending the time with other people is not insignificant.. unless you want more out of the time spent together.
 


truth here..
we are destined to learn about molecules, atoms, and chemicals.
with that knowledge we build a device that takes us to another planet.
since we are responsible.. we check the atmosphere first to see if it is safe.
once the atoms, molecules, and chemicals are considered safe.. we go a step further.
once we land, we grab specimens and bring them back to earth to analyze.
and once everything is marked as safe, they go back and dig.
after the digging is done, the planet can be marked safe as being there?
not necessarily.. because logic can only speak about what it can see, and the talk goes no further.
would we take our chances being there?
sure, if it isnt too far away from home.

this is to be done for all of the planets.. and you see we have already been on the surface of mars.
but
once those planets are done, there isnt going to be any exploring for a while.. because the leaders of the world are responsible, and we have reasons to prevent ourselves from 'biting off more than we can chew'
with the economy the way it is.. it is safe to say we are preventing ourselves from biting off more than we can chew because there is a severe lack of help, as well as embarassment.

if there is too much embarassment.. we might be flagged as a stupid species and everybody on the planet dies.
hell.. maybe they cause the planet earth to completely explode and nobody lives, not even the sun.
and that means there is no chance to rebuild because it is all gone.

the number of people who are an embarassment to their species is quite high.
depends on where you go and who you hang out with.
but it can be low like.. 1 out of 10.
and
it can also be as high as all 10 out of 10.

why were we treated this way by the government?
well..
they needed the seperated space between consumers and the scientists.
could be for weapons to save the planet.
and
it could be because there are chemicals on one of the planets that have not been figured out yet.
nobody leaves the solar system before all planets are marked as done and dumb.

why dont we talk about the chemicals on those planets that we cant figure out?
because we have to travel across the top of the earth with the rest of the idiots who might try to get in the way with the transporting of the materials to an underground science lab.
it will be that way when all planets are marked as done and dumb.
but
as i said again, we cannot as a species expect to come into contact with aliens and be seen as worthless.
how many times do people squash bugs because the bug is annoying or scaring the person?
i dont always do it, but i have and will do it again.
see.. if you let the bug stay, that could mean more of the same type of bugs.
and that is why i feel i am an excellent entertainer.. because being bored with nothing to do is a bug.
all of the mental and emotional characteristics come into play when being entertained.
as well as when being serious.
because some people enjoy being seriously entertained.



hey.. if people are too stupid to realize there are chemicals to transform water into a gelatin, that is quite a problem adding to the embarassment of our species.

raiding the dead.. that is either being brought back to life, brought back to life and hypnotized, or simply preserving the dead body.

healing the blind.. yes, medicine can do this depending on how severe the problem is.

feeding of 5000.. yes, chemistry has had their way with food.. and it is possible to feed yourself enough to survive by simply breathing the aroma from the food.
besides, they have to get their gasoline somehow.
 


this is where consumers and the government dont see eye to eye.
meaning, the truth should be obvious by now as time has its toll.
 


Wrong. The single celled evolution theory isn't/isn't only taught by teachers in school. Believe it or not, we do learn some things outside of a classroom. It's kind of the same, as they don't teach ANYTHING from the Bible in public schools.
 


I think that's the most absurd attempt to discredit these events, I've ever heard. That was either, you clawing/stretching/desperately grasping for staws, or you have no clue how those events happened.

I want so badly to type out a full page paragraph to retort that, but all I can do is facepalm.
 


What?? The consumers of what? Which government? Not that they matter in any way to what was in that quote. No consumer (of whatever product/item you're referring to), and no government, has the capability to bring someone back to life, who has been dead for 4 days.

That is why it was not a valid comparison. It's not like someone with knowledge of today's techniques, performed a routine task, that was seen as a miracle. Because, even to this day, we can't do that.
 


alright..
a true and valid point.
they dont teach people about atomic growth outside of a classroom in some internet article.
it isnt the way we should be absorbing things.
but
there are hundreds of articles out there that dont begin to express much of anything.
meaning, the information is completely not there.
they are lucky enough to teach us new words, and then we go off looking for the definition of the new word.
only to be once again abused by the number of articles that doesnt have information bringing us to the next step in the teaching process that is supposed to evolutionize our learning.

once again, a true point from you.
and i feel a bit embarassed that i didnt think or say anything about atomic growth being NOT taught anywhere else either.
seems like that information is all reserved for college courses that are of some 'science' or chemistry degree.
and
i wonder if the information is readily available for the lower courses, or if the information is withheld for the 'master' degree.
 
Not only did Jesus raise the dead, he also breathed life into clay, making a living bird
Now, you may say, whats so special about this, well what is so special is that it comes from the Koran
He will say: "I bring you a sign from your Lord. From clay I will make for you the likeness of a bird. I shall breath into it and, by God's leave, it shall become a living bird."
http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Sources/cradle.html

Surprised?
 


are you somehow here hiding your beliefs in medicine?
because if you fail to grasp the concept of medicine, then you too would be suprised by a wizard or witch that does these things.

modern science is only that which the news reports.
far from the advances ever made in the labs that go through alpha, beta, and FDA testing.
also far from the publicly known possibilities.

what are you confused/angry about?
i begin to think here that there are thousands of chances per year to use this 'magic' medicine to save loved ones lives.
but
i feel if you were loving, rather than compassionate, your feelings of losing someone would be much easier.

i really feel it is childish to have to say 'all hospitals are a vending machine supervised by the teachers and world leaders'
meaning, whatever the FDA approves to be ALLOWED to be known by the public is what people get.
even if the situation feels or seems to be special.
the medicine is governed.. to say regulated is to say the medicine gets picked and choosed.
but seriously,
the medicine that the FDA approves to be used is not always a daily account.
if a person has been hanging for some time, could be 10 hours dead.. the nurses are allowed to revive that person despite the smell of death.

chances are, the persons who are called onto the scene have to be 'specialized' to do such a procedure.
and
any witnesses also have to be 'specialized' to allow it to happen.
and then..
the decision has to be pre-made on the behalf of the person who absorbs the medicine.

i just dont like being pulled down by people who are narrow-minded because of what they choose to believe as being the highest form of logic.
what you presented as logic is quite dull and out-dated.

to say that i dont generally keep the word 'staws' in my vocabulary..
well,
that is of what concern when all of this time has gone by?

one would think you are discrediting the people who work hard in a lab to analyze all the atoms on this planet.
or
you are working to disrespect my judgement on the release of such information.
either one is trumped by time and rationale.

but
i must say,
the news has done a good job at keeping the most 'wicked' medicine unavailable except the rare articles we come across every 1 or 2 years.
and because of that time, many people forget just how deep and involved the focus was when it was mentioned in the article.

i dont see why you would continue to push their memories back any further by your choice of misleading people into thinking medicine is of trash.


EVERYBODY has a clue how those events happened.
somebody was on their knees or in a chair with a rock bowl and a rock to stir the ingrediants inside the bowl.
the only thing ever remotely true about any medicine which does not use ingrediants in a bowl would be smacking a person or touching them in such a way as to revive them from a recent death.
and that brings the story towards being a 'healer' with only the hands.
which brings the story to a person being able to read thoughts based only on the energy released from the body.
magic is a gimmick.. it always has been.



you would be speaking about upholding a POLICY.. not a fact of medicine.
many policies are ment to be broken if/when the situation allows it.

most important is why would such a policy ever be brought into law.
and it should be a real clue as to how often people can be monitored, or their whereabouts known.
to say a person was dead for 4 days before being discovered is to say the person is completely unimportant to family, friends, or the government.

and might i add..
the government would be the ones who see potential before a parent does.
there are trained 'agents' who specialize in those things.
meaning, the agent sees the potential forming, and however much time later.. the parent SHOULD see the potential too.
or
at the very least, would have proof of the potential in the near future.
even if that means the government sends somebody in to setup the situation for the child to release that potential to thus have a story to tell that proves the potential is there, exists, and is thriving.
because not everybody can make their biggest impact while going to school.
and if you were desperate enough to find people to work for you.. you would be looking at the schools and everywhere else possible.
because of the looking, you would also have the ability to deny certain people a job based on their performances in life.

as i said in my previous post..
the articles already do a good job of misinforming people by releasing an article every 1 or 2 years.
people forget all about those articles after they read them.
but when you see a picture, everything looks clean and organized doesnt it?
seems like the 'modern advancements' are getting very very high.. to the point where the rich would be willing to pay for that medicine to keep them alive and fully functional.

it is awfully hard to hide the fountain of youth.
why it was brought up in the first place, as a 'respectable associate' could be of more concern than denying possibilities.
really.. instead of hiding it.. they have a list of what can be released.. and everytime it gets better.. there is generally a new article about it.

i dont have a list of articles..
but i remember each one involves some serious blood work to be done.
and that seems to appear as being the single thing needed to form any rationale of what the government plays with 'on the dark side of the moon'
 
Wow....You seem to suggest you know how to bring people back to life after they are dead..even for 4 days...how bout 10? And if you're referring to cryogenics, don't bother. That still isn't plausible today, let alone 2,000+ years ago.

 


And by this, I'm starting to get the impression that you think you think you're the smartest person around. There are a couple people on this forum that also went to college. Some may even have graduated. You might think about who you're talking to, before talking down to them.
 
Before you try to discredit the Bible as a book of fiction, science has tried for many years. However, with each discovery, it seems to back the Bible. There's now some evidence that they know where the Garden of Eden was, Noah's Ark, there's evidence of a massive flood, the Shroud of Turin, the Dead Sea Scrolls, even claims of the Ark of the Covenant (even though people aren't allowed in). They aren't just stories.
 
If youll notice, most dinos are found together in groups, or what would be considered such, as varied species of that size being so close together is a rather strange occurance.
Its almost as if they were all washed together in an ancient low spot
 
If mutations exist according to scientists, which is the mantra of evolution, the number of mutations is relevant as to reaching a conclusion as to how old is man, and his supposed ancestors as well
Finding more and more evidence on the amount of these mutations as to their rapidity puts this is a time frame, as some mutations are good, some bad, and some neutral.
http://www.icr.org/article/new-genomes-project-data-indicate-young/

New studies showing the greater number of these mutations only create a scenario where man has a certain lifecycle before these mutations become unviable to life, meaning extinction
http://www.icr.org/article/6222/

Now, this cant have happened over 100,000s of years, as man simply couldnt have survived such a mutational variation.

As science moves forwards, it has to constantly redefine itself
I wont hang my hat on such things, and to me, makes faith a much more compelling reason to have
 


seems like in this day and age.. we dont think about who we are talking to when the person has free will to say what they want and feel.
instead of thinking about who it is before replying on a forum.. they think about who the person is before they sue them in court.

appears to be a matter of 'unearned respect'
and it also appears that you are trying to 'wash away' the respect i have worked building.
my words speak for themselves, and if you feel you havent had enough of the truth.. then you can find all of my 'best answer' recommendations in the audio or electronics section of the forum.


all i have is the words before me.
talking about 'worrying who i am talking to' is taking things a step further than they ever need to go.
 


i like to think about the mutations us humans COULD have.
i mean..
you see it all the time in video games or movies.

seems like our intellect is far too problematic to let such mutations happen.
if the mutations did happen, it would be another civil war.
 
@ anwaypasible

You remind me a lot of my step brother, you and he would absolutely love each other, it would be like looking in a mirror.

Here's the thing dude, the one thing you require you will never get!

God cannot, and will not be explained away down to the molecule, if that was the case, there would be no need for faith, and faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.

Christians trying to explain God to you is like trying to explain wind, you cannot see wind unless wind picks things up in it to see.

You can feel wind on your face, you can feel wind on your skin and when it moves the hairs on your body, but you cannot see wind itself.

However wind exists and is real, when wind becomes extreme you'll definitely know it exists.

When you cannot stand straight and have to lean forward to walk into it as long as it is possible to walk into, but when it gets too extreme, you can no longer walk into it, but you still cannot see the wind itself.

Same as you cannot see God, or Jesus Christ, or the Holy Spirit, but they exist the same as wind, and they gently blow over you everyday in some way, to let you know they're there, your attitude will change when Gods wind becomes extreme to you, He said He would not always strive with man.

God does not need your approval to exist, but you need God's approval to walk into the Kingdom of Heaven, but that may not be where you spend eternity.

Have a Great Day! Ryan
 
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