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What do you think when amdmeltdown girl friend is a duck. Its the only thing his third Leg can get into. And even the duck complains Its Too Small. So they have to do it on his Head.
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of course the duck's gonna complain, it's my "third leg"! :tongue:
"<b>AMD/VIA!</b>...you are <i>still</i> the weakest link, good bye!"
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boo hoo, cry me a river dude.
"<b>AMD/VIA!</b>...you are <i>still</i> the weakest link, good bye!"
Maybe the situation with all these hot and dangerous AMD systems with change with 0.13 micron process T-breds and Hammers. I mean, I hope so.
Until I am 100% confident an AMD processor is as good as a Celeron Tualatin or Pentium 4 Northwood, I won't buy another nor recommend to anyone.
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Until I am 100% confident an AMD processor is as good as a Celeron Tualatin or Pentium 4 Northwood, I won't buy another nor recommend to anyone.
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You might have a point with the northwood, as that has better thermal specs and protection, however, The Athlon XPs perform SO much better than the Celerons or the PIIIs, and have better motherboards to support them, as they are still current chips.
In general, heat is an issue that can be addressed with the proper time, and attention in your computer. However, the P4 does have better thermal protection, and until the Athlon does, it is more more sensitive to heat problems.
And, to address a point on a previous post, Intel and AMD have nearly identical warentees. It might be different in Korea, I don't know for sure, but it didn't sound like it.
I do not like it Tom you see,
I do not like green PCB.
In general, heat is an issue that can be addressed with the proper time, and attention in your computer. However, the P4 does have better thermal protection, and until the Athlon does, it is more more sensitive to heat problems.
And, to address a point on a previous post, Intel and AMD have nearly identical warentees. It might be different in Korea, I don't know for sure, but it didn't sound like it.
I do not like it Tom you see,
I do not like green PCB.
As I made it clear, it WAS different just one or two weeks ago to me. I myself told people to buy Athlon XP 1500+ since it offered simply the best performance for money. I bought KT133, KT133A, KT266, SiS735, nForce 420D, and so on. The situation changed very much here. Intel Northwoods are not so expensive even in Korea now. Athlon XP 1700+ price is just the same as Northwood 1600A though the former is about 40 to 50 percent cheaper than the latter in the States or in Japan. And now virtually NO AMD users may feel safe even if they never try to change cooler or try another thermal grease. Electricity is not as cheap as it is in the States here. Not many can afford to run air conditioning in the summer days and surely some Athlons will run at 50 to 70 Celcius.
Intel and AMD have nearly identical warranties and I know that and the situation was almost so here, too. But things change here unexpectedly. It was similar with Maxtor and Western Digital. I can't explain how business is done and consumer rights mean here in these short postings.
People here like Alpha 8045 and Zalman 6000 CU. They do care and spend great time and energy to make it better for their expensive Athlons.
By the way, Celeron Tualatin 1.0A can be easily overclocked to 1333MHz and I can buy TWO Celeron 1.0A at the price of ONE Athlon XP 1700+. I won't have to worry about any heat issue for Celerons and the probability for Celeron being burnt or broken will be much less. Also, I can buy TWO 694T boards at the price of ONE KT266A or SiS645 board.
I don't import mainboards from Taiwan manufacturers so I don't know exactly why it's so much different here.
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Intel and AMD have nearly identical warranties and I know that and the situation was almost so here, too. But things change here unexpectedly. It was similar with Maxtor and Western Digital. I can't explain how business is done and consumer rights mean here in these short postings.
People here like Alpha 8045 and Zalman 6000 CU. They do care and spend great time and energy to make it better for their expensive Athlons.
By the way, Celeron Tualatin 1.0A can be easily overclocked to 1333MHz and I can buy TWO Celeron 1.0A at the price of ONE Athlon XP 1700+. I won't have to worry about any heat issue for Celerons and the probability for Celeron being burnt or broken will be much less. Also, I can buy TWO 694T boards at the price of ONE KT266A or SiS645 board.
I don't import mainboards from Taiwan manufacturers so I don't know exactly why it's so much different here.
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I have a retail Athlon XP 1600+ with the retail HSF. I usually run it at 1540 MHz. It's noisy and hot.
I also tried Northwood 1600A with the retail HSF overclocked to 2100+ MHz. It was silent and cool. I touched various points around the heatsink.
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I also tried Northwood 1600A with the retail HSF overclocked to 2100+ MHz. It was silent and cool. I touched various points around the heatsink.
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I can see you are extremely biased against AMD for good cause, they seemingly altered their warranty policies. However, I'd like to point out that no company would do what AMD has been doing previously. No company will accept fried or damaged returns on electronics. This applies here in North America and also now applies in Korea. You're no different than here.
However, saying the retail HSF is loud is not true. The retail fan is relatively quiet. Granted, not as quiet as my current Volcano 7 but hey, that V7 only cost me $30CDN or $20USD. For the price of a dinner in a restaurant, I bought a relatively noise-free HSF. The Celeron 1A is nowhere near the Athlon XP in performance.
Why do you have to get a KT266A? You can get a SiS735-basd ECS K75SA for less than any other motherboard.
No, I'm not AMD biased, I'm am merely putting your points into perspective.
AMD technology + Intel technology = Intel/AMD Pentathlon IV; the <b>ULTIMATE</b> PC processor
However, saying the retail HSF is loud is not true. The retail fan is relatively quiet. Granted, not as quiet as my current Volcano 7 but hey, that V7 only cost me $30CDN or $20USD. For the price of a dinner in a restaurant, I bought a relatively noise-free HSF. The Celeron 1A is nowhere near the Athlon XP in performance.
Why do you have to get a KT266A? You can get a SiS735-basd ECS K75SA for less than any other motherboard.
No, I'm not AMD biased, I'm am merely putting your points into perspective.
AMD technology + Intel technology = Intel/AMD Pentathlon IV; the <b>ULTIMATE</b> PC processor
I do have SiS735, ECS K7S5A specifically. Did you read that I have SIX Athlons? I have over 10 Athlon boards.
And you seem to treat me as if I am asking too much from AMD. Didn't I make it clear the way business is done here is different? The law is different, the culture is different, the very notion of CONSUMER RIGHTS is different. I think like an American but I was talking about the market situation in Korea specifically. What I said about AMD was from the Korean consumer's point of view. I DO NOT KNOW what AMD Sunnyvale has instructed AMD Korea and that was exactly what I wanted to find out in order to do something against AMD Korea.
You said "the price of dinner in a resturant" but do you know the price a dinner usually costs $3 or $0.3 instead of $30 in some countries?
Whether a retail HSF is loud or not loud depends on who decides in what situation. I said Athlon XP retail HSF is loud and Pentium 4 Northwood retail HSF is silent because I ran both systems at my home and I DO admit I am biased against AMD in this case but isn't the Northwood retail fan from Sanyo or Nidec while Athlon XP retail fan is from Cooler Master? Sanyo and Nidec fans bundled with Pentium 4 Willamettes and Northwoods are more silent than Athlon XP retail fans and that's what I pointed out.
I have two Zalman HSF, too. You may have already read about the fans from Anandtech or THG cooler reviews. The newer models have 92mm fans instead of 80mm ones. I have always said it'd be so much better if they replaced the fans with 120-mm 2000-rpm fans.
Celeron 1.0A users usually run them at over 1333MHz. Athlon XP 1700+ is twice as expensive but overclockable usually up to 1600MHz. With the retail fan and SiS735 board? Well, you already know the answer if you own an ECS K7S5A unless you modified it. Of course, Tualatin-compatible boards are much cheaper than SiS735 boards here. Exactly half the price of SiS745.
Finally, I'd like to ask you. Do you truly believe normal and average Korean people will voluntarily "fry" or "damage" their AMD processors? Anyway, Celeron 1.0A plus 694T board costs much less than single Athlon XP 1533MHz alone. If I were in the States, I'd buy Prestonia and i860 of course.
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And you seem to treat me as if I am asking too much from AMD. Didn't I make it clear the way business is done here is different? The law is different, the culture is different, the very notion of CONSUMER RIGHTS is different. I think like an American but I was talking about the market situation in Korea specifically. What I said about AMD was from the Korean consumer's point of view. I DO NOT KNOW what AMD Sunnyvale has instructed AMD Korea and that was exactly what I wanted to find out in order to do something against AMD Korea.
You said "the price of dinner in a resturant" but do you know the price a dinner usually costs $3 or $0.3 instead of $30 in some countries?
Whether a retail HSF is loud or not loud depends on who decides in what situation. I said Athlon XP retail HSF is loud and Pentium 4 Northwood retail HSF is silent because I ran both systems at my home and I DO admit I am biased against AMD in this case but isn't the Northwood retail fan from Sanyo or Nidec while Athlon XP retail fan is from Cooler Master? Sanyo and Nidec fans bundled with Pentium 4 Willamettes and Northwoods are more silent than Athlon XP retail fans and that's what I pointed out.
I have two Zalman HSF, too. You may have already read about the fans from Anandtech or THG cooler reviews. The newer models have 92mm fans instead of 80mm ones. I have always said it'd be so much better if they replaced the fans with 120-mm 2000-rpm fans.
Celeron 1.0A users usually run them at over 1333MHz. Athlon XP 1700+ is twice as expensive but overclockable usually up to 1600MHz. With the retail fan and SiS735 board? Well, you already know the answer if you own an ECS K7S5A unless you modified it. Of course, Tualatin-compatible boards are much cheaper than SiS735 boards here. Exactly half the price of SiS745.
Finally, I'd like to ask you. Do you truly believe normal and average Korean people will voluntarily "fry" or "damage" their AMD processors? Anyway, Celeron 1.0A plus 694T board costs much less than single Athlon XP 1533MHz alone. If I were in the States, I'd buy Prestonia and i860 of course.
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I have seen some pretty insane overclocks from Asian countries where people pump up their voltage to nearly twice the default and stick the system in liquid nitrogen. Do they do this in Korea? I have no idea. Could this be a reason for more stringent warranty policies? Yes.
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No. Maybe in Japan. If you looked for overclocking database in overclockers.com or VR-Zone.com, you'll see there is hardly any source from South Korea.
I have been in many hardware sites like THG or Anandtech in Korea but I never heard anyone trying liquid nitrogen or anything too exotic here. The very system running at my home right now has an Athlon AYHJA 1.0. Default voltage, default clock, default FSB, though CL 2 memory timing because I want longer life and lower temp.
Well, you are thinking in a logical way which is not exactly the way some people here do.
Personally, I prefer retail box packaged products only because they are 3-year warrantied and have a retail HSF. Some people buy Alpha 8045 or similary priced cooler here but they are very few and the price of 8045 is what average workers here earn in two days. Very many earn here 2 dollars per hour and as I pointed out before Athlons cost 50% higher than in the US. Koreans are not that insane or adventurous, nor luxurious.
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I have been in many hardware sites like THG or Anandtech in Korea but I never heard anyone trying liquid nitrogen or anything too exotic here. The very system running at my home right now has an Athlon AYHJA 1.0. Default voltage, default clock, default FSB, though CL 2 memory timing because I want longer life and lower temp.
Well, you are thinking in a logical way which is not exactly the way some people here do.
Personally, I prefer retail box packaged products only because they are 3-year warrantied and have a retail HSF. Some people buy Alpha 8045 or similary priced cooler here but they are very few and the price of 8045 is what average workers here earn in two days. Very many earn here 2 dollars per hour and as I pointed out before Athlons cost 50% higher than in the US. Koreans are not that insane or adventurous, nor luxurious.
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I agree. However, when I bought Intel Pentium 100-MHz retail for over 100 usd in 1997, it had a Sanyo fan. The heatsink coming with Northwoods seems to me much better than the one with Athlon XP especially when Athlons are so fragile compared to Intel processors.
100 percent Northwood users I know personally use the retail HSF and NONE of them use them at default FSB. Well, I hope those Northwoods won't be dead one day for no apparent reason.
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100 percent Northwood users I know personally use the retail HSF and NONE of them use them at default FSB. Well, I hope those Northwoods won't be dead one day for no apparent reason.
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First of all, Northwoods run at 0.13m. This makes them cool as hell, given their nature to be able to pump in MHZ, and the fact they are majorly stripped of many needed performance components, their temps are relatively low. Retail HSFs will of course sound more useful then.
It would be exactly the same thing if Athlons were 0.13m, and had been stripped of some components. But it is a standard "rule" almost, that any Athlons with Retail HSFs are made for home users who won't overclock. That is why a 3 year warranty is issued.
If you decided to overclock, you are as of then, a user that has voided his warranty. You are at no position to blame anyone for the results of your OC, especially when it's a Retail HSF. If you choose OEM, again you may use any cooler you find adequate, and use it, and OEM CPUs are generally targetted at the overclocker public. Which is why warranty is not needed.
Finally, warranty itself, as I stated, is next to useless man. You should not fret, because chances are you will NEVER touch the warranty ever. I mean I could buy a CPU with no warranty, yet I won't care! If Athlons have no heat protection, so what. Currently the majority are overclockers or enthusiasts. The majority can work their way making very good cooling, or use the Thermal Protection available in any mobo now, (not AMD's thermal protection diode though) where you can set the shutoff temp. My Epox 8KHA+ has a warning temp at 53º, yes that low, and shuts off at 60º. Since these are not accurate readings like the diode on the CPU die of the AXP, this means I have to set such low temps, as in reality the temp could be higher on the CPU die.
Conclusion: DO NOT WORRY. WARRANTY IS NEXT TO USELESS IN CPUs, EXCEPT RARE CASES. If you are one of them cases, please show us pics, you will be venerated forever here!
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It would be exactly the same thing if Athlons were 0.13m, and had been stripped of some components. But it is a standard "rule" almost, that any Athlons with Retail HSFs are made for home users who won't overclock. That is why a 3 year warranty is issued.
If you decided to overclock, you are as of then, a user that has voided his warranty. You are at no position to blame anyone for the results of your OC, especially when it's a Retail HSF. If you choose OEM, again you may use any cooler you find adequate, and use it, and OEM CPUs are generally targetted at the overclocker public. Which is why warranty is not needed.
Finally, warranty itself, as I stated, is next to useless man. You should not fret, because chances are you will NEVER touch the warranty ever. I mean I could buy a CPU with no warranty, yet I won't care! If Athlons have no heat protection, so what. Currently the majority are overclockers or enthusiasts. The majority can work their way making very good cooling, or use the Thermal Protection available in any mobo now, (not AMD's thermal protection diode though) where you can set the shutoff temp. My Epox 8KHA+ has a warning temp at 53º, yes that low, and shuts off at 60º. Since these are not accurate readings like the diode on the CPU die of the AXP, this means I have to set such low temps, as in reality the temp could be higher on the CPU die.
Conclusion: DO NOT WORRY. WARRANTY IS NEXT TO USELESS IN CPUs, EXCEPT RARE CASES. If you are one of them cases, please show us pics, you will be venerated forever here!
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Thank you for teaching me.
Did I ever say I want replacement for my dead Athlons? I never even called anyone or sent mail for that. Did I sound like I won't take responsibility for that 10 percent overclocking for my Athlon XP 1600+ retail?
I forgot to mention this when I wrote about that AMD Korea warranty thing. AMD won't sell any CPU except the 3-Year Warranty retail box products from now on in Korea. Of course, anyone in Seoul can fly to Akihabara in Tokyo just to buy an Athlon though.
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Did I ever say I want replacement for my dead Athlons? I never even called anyone or sent mail for that. Did I sound like I won't take responsibility for that 10 percent overclocking for my Athlon XP 1600+ retail?
I forgot to mention this when I wrote about that AMD Korea warranty thing. AMD won't sell any CPU except the 3-Year Warranty retail box products from now on in Korea. Of course, anyone in Seoul can fly to Akihabara in Tokyo just to buy an Athlon though.
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