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On behalf of Ati-dom, Derth, I suggest that you are an evil person and that you eat poopies. And rub it on your genitals. And bum. And then dance naked in an old folk's home.

Oh well, hopefully they'll make an option in the cat's to turn it off, like in the Nvidia drivers...

And, hey! At least you can buy an X800... 6800's are still vaporware, unless you want to spend the premium for an alienware rig. 😛

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Now if only ATI programmers and nvidia one could start working for Microsoft..... now we could have an OS running fast without spending a lot for hardware... Well, if optimized drivers bring more performance for less $ then let them optimize, I dont give a ..... Image quality is my best benchmark, not high FPS that means nothing. Good image quality with 45 FPS is good enough for me and my $.

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mmmm 1200mhz vram. in canada the difference between the Pro and XT is like, 100 bux. worth it to me, considering they are both over 600$

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You can find X800pros locally in Canada for $499 (US$375) if you look hard enough.

*Dual PIII-800 @900 i440BX and Tualeron 1.2 @1.7 i815*
 
So Willamette_Sucks comes in with a brilliant intellectual comment, Duh f***k, sh*t, graphics card, as*, pig sh*t. I managed to put this in to english and found that he was trying to say that they are the same cards but with different memory types. Hmmm, So I wonder why that story in the theregister.co.uk say's that it can be done and has been done (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/06/08/ati_r420_mod/). They must be smoking their own socks, I'm sure you know much more about it in "theory" than they do, but have you got any tests that will corroborate you outburst?

Didn't think so. So shut it.

The thing that still has me boggling is that not one of you is upset that Ati has lied to you all this time. Nvidia did it and got hammered. Now that it's happened to Ati it's no big deal, Let's just let the whole thing blow over. You know why, because we are to blinded by your loyalty to question anything that they do or say.

YOU HAVE BEEN LIED TO!!!!! Don't just sit there like a little bitch, get up and do something about it.

Derth

p.s No offense to any little bitches out there, Some of my best friends are little bitches too.
 
Willy is quite cranky as of late, I dont think he meant anything by it.

Xeon

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Retail X800pro for 499?! if you can find one i'll have to say you know some good resellers.

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I don't think we're displaying blind loyalty here, but I think the key here is image quality. ATI still has it, its not like they're getting awesome framerates at the expense of how the game looks. That being said, I'll still push to disable the optimizations in the next driver, but it's kind of pointless unless you're going to be taking screenshots and going over them in photoshop. Yeah, ATI was kind of shady, but since filtering is an approximation, its already an inexact, imperfect science anyway. I guess trilinear filtering is mathematically defined, so they aren't using "true" trilinear, but who cares? You can tell me my dustbuster doesn't use a "true" vacuum, or my refrigerator doesn't use "true" refrigeration, what the f**k do I care if it does what I want? The black box concept is a sound one. I ask this question: If no one had ever found out about this algorithm, if benchmark after benchmark had happened with the radeon keeping same image quality with the NVidia, who would have been hurt? This "true" filtering mess is an esoteric concept that means NOTHING. When I see real world results, I'll change my tune. Until then, I'm buying an x800 pro because its affordable, useful, and available.

"Yeah, I got a magazine for you. It's fulla hollow points. You're gonna love it when I put that in a gun, and then put 'em in your brain!" - Carl
 
here are some pics of IQ differences from the x800 to the 9800

<A HREF="http://www.beyond3d.com/reviews/ati/r420_x800/iq_compare/compare.zip" target="_new">http://www.beyond3d.com/reviews/ati/r420_x800/iq_compare/compare.zip</A>

And movies between the x800 and 9700

<A HREF="http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13076" target="_new">http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13076</A>
 
Are you f*ckin stupid? What you said makes absolutely no sense. And Xeon, I meant exactly what I said, I'm not being cranky, just pointing out the fallacies in his logic. The only comment I directed towards him was that his logic was f*cked... and I did mean something by that. I meant what I said.

I said: "The FX5900, 5950, and 5900 XT or whatever are also all the same cards jackass. Your logic is f*cked. There's also one distinct and important difference between the X800 pro and XT.. the memory type! You'll never clock an X800 pro as high on the mem as an XT can go."

You say: " I managed to put this in to english and found that he was trying to say that they are the same cards but with different memory types."

What I said is in perfectly clear English... if you can't understand it maybe you're the one with language problems.

Also, I never said I thought the mod couldn't be done. Once again you suck at understanding the English language. Sure the mod can be done, but you'll never be able to overclock the memory on a modded (or unmodded) Pro as high as you can OC the memory on an XT.


Me: are you saying I can't provide?
Me: cause I know I can provide.
Me: oh and I can provide money too😉
Rachel:): why do we need money when we can just stay in our room and have sex all day?<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Willamette_Sucks on 06/10/04 07:00 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 
I apologies for the below rant. When I read "You'll never clock an X800 pro as high on the mem as an XT can go." I presumed that your were talking about over clocking a X800 pro to the same spec as a XT.

Re-read your statement and you will see that the sentence is very ambiguous.


*DID YOU EVEN BOTHER READING THE ARTICLE I REFERED TO OR ARE YOU SO BLINDED BY STUPIDTY AND ARROGANCE THAT YOU REFUSE TO ACCEPT ANY VIEWS EXCEPT YOUR OWN?*

Derth

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Derth on 06/10/04 07:43 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 
*passes WS a beer*

calm down~~~

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You missed my point. He made a blunder that should have been obvious. He said the XT could be hacked into a Pro. The XT is the faster card. The pro is being hacked into an XT, not the other way around. And yes, his second error was that nobody is going to be ticked because the XT hasn't been available. Seems like a lame way to pick on ATI. SOme people modded their 9500's into 9700's and their 9800SE's into 9800 Pro's. Why in the world would this tick other ATI users off and how can this be looked as as a fault of ATI? I honestly don't at all understand how his original post makes ATI look bad? But the blunder of swapping the XT and Pro was a bit humorous. Read it again below. Who looks silly?

Firslty buy a relatively simple hack you can change you new XT card to a pro card (don't all of you who spent the extra cash feel silly now
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ABIT IS7, P4 2.6C, 512MB Corsair TwinX PC3200LL, Radeon 9800 Pro, Santa Cruz, TruePower 430watt<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Pauldh on 06/10/04 08:16 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 
Intressting, I make one mistake and it get's focused on again and again and again Ad Nauseam.

Ok I made a mistake, I switched the two around. Happy?

Now how about debating the reall issues unless you you cannot?

Derth
 
These guys are two blocks away from me: <A HREF="http://www.greenlyph.com/product_info.php?products_id=535" target="_new">http://www.greenlyph.com/product_info.php?products_id=535</A>

That's a lite version - just the card and drivers (and I think they said PowerDVD 5).

*Dual PIII-800 @900 i440BX and Tualeron 1.2 @1.7 i815*<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by JCLW on 06/10/04 09:36 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 
What point? you haven't really stated anything that proves your side.

You're talking shiat!

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But there was worse to come. You thought Ati was quicker because it was a better products? Nope most probably just because it wasn't using full trilinear filtering. What!!!! I hear you say that cannot be?
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This isn't true its faster because it can do 2 16 bit instructions at the same time while Nvidia can only do 1. And still keep better image quality by using a 24 bit pallete. Very smart way of achieving speed and quality.
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What hell is bad about modding, a person buys a graphics card they can do the hell they want, its ATi's loss if they are modable? You really would just shut your mouth if actually knew what you were talking about.

If you were a manufacturer and lets say 10% of you goods aren't quality enough to sell it as the best product you have but you can fix them to work like a lower end product. Wouldn't you do it?

How much turn over do you think ATi would have if they didn't. Nvidia does the same! Cards that can't be clocked high enough or some of the pipelines are wack to get a ultra stamped on are non ultra's!
 
Derth:

1st: I don't know about you, but <A HREF="http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?&threadid=91628&perpage=50&pagenumber=1" target="_new">these screenshots</A> look great to me - regardless or optimization.

2nd: At the moment nV cards usually run DX9 games with PS1.x paths and/or 16bit precision. So currently an ATi card running with trilinear on only the nearest mipmaps will still look considerably better then an nV card running PS1.x / 16bit.

3rd: Nobody bought an XT card yet, because you can't buy them yet. And not all Pro hacks work.

4th: ATi has a driver team that posts and listens to feedback on multiple forums. IMHO they are more in tune with the enthusiast community then any other manufacturer and if enough people in the community want something added to the drivers then they'll add it.




*Dual PIII-800 @900 i440BX and Tualeron 1.2 @1.7 i815*
 
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