ATI moves XT release up to counter NV40

[coolsquirtle]

of course u are.... u're an inside spy!

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[cleeve]

What the hell are you talking about?

It's ALL ABOUT ME, dude!

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[Chodelicker]

wow, your a complete [-peep-] moron arent you? *claps* nice job HAHAHAHA

1 2 fux you

 

[kinney]

stfu noob. you come in here and insult all of us?

BTW, your wrong. This forum isnt biased towards NV. Quite the opposite.

Its fitting you call yourself chodelicker.

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[kinney]

Those 9800s were just part of my master plan to spy on ATI..

I'm sure that you have also gathered much intel on ATI since having investigated the 9600 Pros...

They are doomed now!!!

MUWAHAAHAHahahahaha

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[kinney]

/me pets Cleeve

You will always be my favorite Cleever!

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[phial]

CHODELICKER HAHAAHA

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[TheGreatGrapeApe]

This wouldn't be so funny if it weren't for the following..

<font color=blue>"wow, your a complete [-peep-] moron arent you?"</font color=blue>

What would you call someone who doesn't know the difference between "your" and "you're / you are",particularly someone who uses it improperly in an insult?

... and to quote you back to yourself once again..

'*claps* nice job HAHAHAHA'

Bravo, BRAVO! But no encore, Please!


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[TheGreatGrapeApe]

Why just the PCIX cards?
When 90% of the cards sold this round will be AGP8X?

I'll be able to tell you whos best on April 26th on the X800 release.

Simple, my next graphics card is PCI-EX, not spending money for another AGP card, same for my next system to go with it.

Really just waiting for something to buy, have been since Xmas.

So really regardless of THIS round, My personal choice will involve the NV45 and R423, so regardless of who win NV40vsR420, the next battle will win my money.

As for the winner of the next round, I think we won't know until at least some time after they are released. Early wins will be easy to determine, but overall will take a thorough look. Just like every FX release, the first few weeks may not tell the whole story. But regardless, those first few benchies should give everyone an idea of if the cards are in the same ballpark or even zipcode.


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[kinney]

Simple, my next graphics card is PCI-EX, not spending money for another AGP card, same for my next system to go with it.

While I understand this... why bother getting one of these in PCIX form when they dont need it, and wont have features or need the AGP16X equivalent architechure (PCIX) for quite some time?

As for the winner of the next round, I think we won't know until at least some time after they are released. Early wins will be easy to determine, but overall will take a thorough look. Just like every FX release, the first few weeks may not tell the whole story. But regardless, those first few benchies should give everyone an idea of if the cards are in the same ballpark or even zipcode.

Well, most will have a good idea at launch.
No different than watching the 9700 Pro blow everything away, regardless of NV30 IQ issues we all knew 9700 Pro was superior... come on dude.
Dont create trap door escapes for ATI.
If they blow, they blow.. no delay in the FINAL JUDGEMENT!
lol

If you want to be like that, NV wins already due to their trackrecord of their longterm support is better! :tongue:

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[TheGreatGrapeApe]

why bother getting one of these in PCIX form when they dont need it, and wont have features or need the AGP16X equivalent architechure (PCIX) for quite some time?

First, remember it's PCI-EX, I already have PCI-X on my Editing rig.

Second, I want a new mobo, why go with a dead end technology? Socket 939 mobo with PCI-EX will be more forward looking and will take adavantage of CURRENT architecture too (the AMD64 is a performer). And in that vein why saddle that new architecture with older architecture? Regardless of the R423/NV45 exploiting the fullpotential, it should give me the best performance, and the best upgrade options. Since I haven't seen anyone actually forward the AGP + PCI-EX design (it's not impossible like some people think [just like we all thought 2 AGP was impossible, it's not either], just impractical because of the small demand and great costs).

I agree we will shortly know whether or not the NV40 blows the doors off in most applications, but there may be things that aren't exposed until later, and despite our guesses about eh FX5800U and FX5900U and FX5950U, all showed initial great numbers and got ink (even at THG) touting them as the winners very early on, within a month that picture changed. I don't think that will be the case, but I won't rush to judgement on some things until the 3Dmarks etc are looked at close enough to tell if everything is running as it should, and not just some 32x0 advanatage that won't translate.

The winner may be obvious or may be an individual choice, but at least there's unlikely to be hidden shader performance issues like last time, this time it's a question of PS3.0 versus not, however there will be a hard look at PS 2.0 performance between the two I'm certain of that.

No excuses, but without actual FACTS, no way to tell what to expect.

Once even the arhitecture is a firm figure, then the talk of winners can start IMO. Until then it's pointless, and really just plays to the spins doctorBs (the B is for Bargain!).


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[Spitfire_x86]

i think you're full of garbage


*puts out flame bait again*

No, it's not a flamebait. It's a fact.

Search for his posts at CPU forum. He's the guy who created a 200 post long useless thread "I see no reason to buy Intel" and recenly discovered passionate love for P4 2.4A "scotty", which is the worst Intel CPU at this moment, if you put aside Celerons.

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[Spitfire_x86]

Someday you'll suddenly see kinney recommending R9600SE over GeForce4 Ti4200 or making some fanATIc post instead of his current nVidiotic posts

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[kinney]

Ya i can understand you wanting a PCI EX(!) card.. I personally dont care.. by the time I spend again what I plan on spending on an NV40 or R420 I'll have a new motherboard.

But I'm planning an upgrade, W/O PCI Express.. if it has it then thats all good.. but I really dont care.

To me its like worrying about SATA.. I just dont care.

Not as crucial as say, USB was.. that would be something I went out of my way to get. Ie. without natural migration into my system.
I actually intentionally meant to get USB through upgrading my mobo.. but I got additional things as well... but it was a primary factor in my upgrade.
I didnt like those PCI based USB cards.

If you get my drift...
bottom line is that I dont really care about much new technology unless its going to be a focal point like USB.
SATA/PCIex, all things that will come when I do a complete system upgrade.

Anyway, I'm leaning towards the Geforce 6800 instead of the X800 because of its PS3.0/VS 3.0 support.
Those demos showed how much of a difference in IQ it can really make and I was impressed.

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[TheGreatGrapeApe]

To me PCI-EX is a focal point, but I have different needs/desires from my next PC. It will likely head towards being my replacement editing rig in the future, so I want more legs on it. Also PCI-EX leaves the door open for future things like add-in upgrades. Yeah I'd like to wait for SATAII and Firewire 800 on my mobo (Gigabyte does offer it now), and other things, but this is MY next big thing that I'm willing to wait for.

I can't see anything changing the scene more than that. USB I can add to an old PCI through PCI, and thats the beauty, just about everything will be a possibility as long as it has at least 2-4 PCI-EX 1X slots. Maybe if I'm lucky I can get a PCI-EX 4X slot or two as well.

Sure I want a nive card, but the connector is even more important to me. Even a GOOD performing RV280 would be better for my needs than an R420 with AGP. Nothing will ned the R420/NV40 for some time, but in a year or so the card WILL need the PCI-EX slot, so my two upgrades are clearly chosen for me, PCI-EX equipped mobo, PCI-EX card.

As for the functionality of PS3.0, who knows, if it's not really useful and only pretty in demos, then I won't care enough, but if the performance rocks and it has that, it's simply an added bonus. BTW, most of the demos showed things that were already being done with PS2.0, HDR is already done on both cards, the NV30 just isn't powerful enough with it's advanced shaders, and that's what I'm worried about with the PS3.0 functionality, is it just a line item feature for PR and to attract people because this has this, but this has that+? That's why I'm glad that thosethings will be figured out by the time the PCI-EX cards hit the market. Makes my choice much easier.


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[coolsquirtle]

DAMN YOU!!! I GOT FOUND!!!

*jumps off a cliff to run away from ATi police*

SCREW U KINNEY!!!!!!!

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[TheGreatGrapeApe]

Here's another reason I have NO INTEREST in those AGP cards.

Look at this from the Inquirer;

<A HREF="http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=15210" target="_new">http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=15210</A>

<b>TWO</b> Molex connectors each requiring their own rail! F-Me! Can't wait for PCI-EX to arrive!

Anyone who knows me and my decision making process on the R9600Pro knows that this is exactly the opposite of what I'm looking for. I'm just peeved at what is likely to be the heat characteristics of both of these potential behemoths (0.11 only to arrive with the R480 or RV370 at the earliest).


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[coolsquirtle]

psh your getting a 939 board + AMD 64 939~~ just wait for PCI-EX

Geforce PCX anyone? 😀

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[pauldh]

Grape buying a PCX4300 and then asking why his new A64-3500+ gaming rig is slower than his old one, LOL that would be the funniest thing I could imagine seeing. :lol:

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[phial]

hahahah oh god yea that would be

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[coolsquirtle]

i can imagine it now........... OW it hurts to imagine the scene

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[kinney]

Haha!

You have to PAY for your crimes!

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[kinney]

I said I understand my man.

You actually have me thinking as well.

I previously thought "since AGP16x bandwidth wouldnt be needed, not even close for these cards, I dont care nor need a PCIEX card"...
BUT

SINCE
I am going to be buying a new system soon anyway, might as well wait for the PCIEX boards.
Even though I still dont see it like USB was.. it wouldnt be a bad thing (of course).

I'll prob be joining you in PCIEX.

Just more than likely it will be a PCIEX Geforce 6800.
Depends how things go. NOW they are saying ATI has real 16pipes.
Seems like both sides are playing the "NV30 hype game".

Typical.
I am also joining you in getting tired of all the new rumors ect.

Though after my NV40 or R420 I prob wont be upgrading again for a LONG time, which was what my, "I dont care whether my next card is AGP8X or PCIEX or not" attitude.
I'm sure you can understand that.

Anyway. I see I have another post from you so you'll prob hear from me again soon!

toodles!

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[kinney]

Word.

hat's why I'm glad that thosethings will be figured out by the time the PCI-EX cards hit the market. Makes my choice much easier.

That makes sense.

From my side of the fence though, I'm really happy that NV's PCIEX cards are out at the same time as the AGP, not delayed like ATIs PCIEX release.
Not looking for a war here, thats just my thoughts.

You know I'm a big fan of the HIS chip for this round, I see literally no disadvantages.. but I see big advantages for multiple reasons for NV (and of course I want them to make smart decisions).
I think they made the right move... I'm sure deep down you agree or at least understand.
But I'm NOT saying that its BETTER than ATIs method. Thats not the case, native is always better.
In this gen though, it just wont matter.
The only disadvantages I can think of is a $5 price increase, maybe a slight less availability if NV loses board producers due to it, and another point of failure.
But honesty, I think that would be the last part to go out on the cards.. just not very likely.
Simply put, if it bothered me.. I wouldnt be willing to lay down my money (trust me).

Anyway, thats my thoughts on NVs HIS chip. I've prob posted that to you before. I'm really not looking to wage war on the subject right now.


I do REALLY like PS3.0 though.. I am going to have a hard time not buying a card with those features.. just seems outdated and obsolete without.
Maybe I'm wrong.. but PS/VS 3.0 ARE a part of the full (yet not required) Direct X 9.0 spec.
So its nice to have full compliance, including extras that might help IQ in games like Far Cry (which uses PS3.0).

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[coolsquirtle]

that's it! dont force me! I'll Show everyone THOSE tapes

YES "THOSE" TAPES!!!

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