ATI Radeon 6000 seriers rumor to be released in october

[blackpanther26]

http://vr-zone.com/articles/-rumour...schedule-first-iteration-in-october/9688.html

Popular Turkish website Donanimhaber has released an expected schedule for the release of ATI's Radeon HD 6000 series. The first HD 6000 GPU to be released will be the Radeon HD 6700 series, codenamed Barts. The HD 6700 is scheduled for a release as early as October. As suggested by the nomenclature, the HD 6700 will directly replace the HD 5700 series.

The HD 6700 release will be followed up by Cayman in November, expected to be branded as the ATI Radeon HD 6800 series, replacing the current HD 5800 series.

The flagship will be Antilles, and branded as the ATI Radeon HD 6970. Antilles, as expected, will be a dual-GPU Cayman. While the HD 5970 lowers clock speeds from the HD 5870, HD 6970 is expected to feature the same clock speeds as the HD 6870 - basically a HD 6870 in CF. This will be much like the HD 4870 X2. The Radeon HD 6970 is scheduled for December.

 

[nforce4max]

Who knows, maybe your computer will explode in an exciting event of smoke and fire by that time.

Or the vram on your 5770 fails giving you artifacts.

 

[firebird]

Or your outlet is wired wrong....

 

[dalta centauri]

Or the vram on your 5770 fails giving you artifacts.

Good job with the hostility?
I wasn't trashing Nvidia, but saying his computer could someday pop into a lovely scene.

 

[mosox]

Gotta love the titles of the reviews on some sites, they're something like:

Nvidia:
The Cards That You Were Waiting For!!11
The $200 KING11!!
The GAMING MONSTER11!!!
The Next HTPC King

ATI(AMD)
Is it really worth it?
The other shoe drops
Is it a step forward?
Meh

 

[skolpo]

Gotta love the titles of the reviews on some sites, they're something like:

Nvidia:
The Cards That You Were Waiting For!!11
The $200 KING11!!
The GAMING MONSTER11!!!
The Next HTPC King

ATI(AMD)
Is it really worth it?
The other shoe drops
Is it a step forward?
Meh

Yes, because the article titles of the initial Fermi release never existed... Point is, the 6800 series is not a performance phenomena compared to older brothers 5850 and 5870. That is the reason for the titles. But the actual details, which is obviously more important than some witty title, of the article clearly says otherwise.

 

[17seconds]

Tom's seems to know something:
"But this sure would be a good time to introduce a card with a fully-equipped GF104 and 384 CUDA cores enabled (Ed.: I can’t comment, but I know something that you don’t, Don)."

 

[dimurof82]

Hmmm.. I'll be crossfiring 6950's.. I'm psyched.

 

[nforce4max]

Good job with the hostility?
I wasn't trashing Nvidia, but saying his computer could someday pop into a lovely scene.

Your comment towards the other guy was just as hostile.

 

[nforce4max]

Hmmm.. I'll be crossfiring 6950's.. I'm psyched.

It could go either way but from what one article although I only consider it rumor is that it may turn out to use more power than the R870 and larger as well.

 

[Tamz_msc]

The price drops will enable NVIDIA to remain in competition.The only good thing I find about the 6870 and 6850 is that the Crossfire Scaling is improved.

Nvidia has a lot to offer I think.A 384 core GF104 card is still a possibility.

 

[mosox]

Its interesting how Nvidia hasnt really lowered 460 768 prices much at all, they are still 160-170. It makes it so that its worth it to spend the extra money for the 6850, and obviously worth it to spend less for the 6850 over the 460.

Nvidia lowered the prices for the 460/1G and the 470 only temporarily (until November 14th) in order to make the reviewers and customers compare the new 6xxx cards with the GTX460/1G and GTX470 not with the GTX460/768 and GTX460/1G as they were supposed to.

 

[Mousemonkey]

Nvidia lowered the prices for the 460/1G and the 470 only temporarily (until November 14th) in order to make the reviewers and customers compare the new 6xxx cards with the GTX460/1G and GTX470 not with the GTX460/768 and GTX460/1G as they were supposed to.

That's the what AMD reckon but it's not what Nvida say.

The new price of the cards were confirmed by Lars Weinard, Marketing Manager for NVIDIA to website Fudzilla. A quick survey of Newegg showed that a few of the cars were already selling at the new approved NVIDIA prices.

Weinard confirmed to Fudzilla that the changes in prices are not some temporary sale, but here to stay as NVIDIA makes changes to its product lineup.

Source.

 

[jyjjy]

The only good thing I find about the 6870 and 6850 is that the Crossfire Scaling is improved.

I guess you are one of the rare people that ignores price and performance when evaluating a video card then...

 

[Tamz_msc]

I guess you are one of the rare people that ignores price and performance when evaluating a video card then...

Price and performance are the same as the cards they're competing with.But I think that I should've said 'improved' instead of 'good'.

 

[dimurof82]

Based on the price of the 6850/70 in comparison to the 5850/70.. Do we have any educated guesses on the price of the 6950/70? I'm hoping the 6950 will clock in right around the 350 mark and the 6970 ~425 ish?

 

[jyjjy]

Price and performance are the same as the cards they're competing with.But I think that I should've said 'improved' instead of 'good'.

I'm not sure if you are talking about somewhere else but in the US the new AMD cards have their competition beat by $10-20 at the moment. That is ignoring MIRs but I always do. If you like them I'm sure they will come for the ATI cards as well before long. So lower price, greater power efficiency and equal performance on very early drivers vs semi-mature drivers. Not sure what else you could want. The recent price drops make the Nvidia cards still relevant to the discussion but as far as the competition goes they are clearly in second place at the moment IMO. Perhaps a full GF104 card like you mention or further price drops could change things a bit in the future. Maybe price increases on the HD6000 cards if they are in short supply with high demand ala the HD5000 cards?

 

[17seconds]

The overclocking headroom of the 6870 makes it a fail for enthusiasts. If you like to overclock, that card will give you no joy. When they finally upped the clocks of the EVGA GTX460 in the Tom's article (back to it's factory level), it was only slightly beaten by the 6870. Consider that the EVGA 460 has even more overclocking headroom, so when fully pushed the 460 should easily beat the 6870 at its fully overclocked level. Can you imagine the results of a fully overclocked MSI GTX460 Hawk Talon Edition vs. a fully overclocked 6870?

 

[eyefinity]

The overclocking headroom of the 6870 makes it a fail for enthusiasts. If you like to overclock, that card will give you no joy. When they finally upped the clocks of the EVGA GTX460 in the Tom's article (back to it's factory level), it was only slightly beaten by the 6870. Consider that the EVGA 460 has even more overclocking headroom, so when fully pushed the 460 should easily beat the 6870 at its fully overclocked level. Can you imagine the results of a fully overclocked MSI GTX460 Hawk Talon Edition vs. a fully overclocked 6870?

You mean to say that piling on extra stuff like double the fans and better components helps to get higher overclocks? 😗

I think we'll find that they are both similar at full overclocks.

The 810mhz 460 KFA2 Ltd scrapes a 0.5fps win in AvP while losing by 2.5fps to the 900mhz 6850 in Just Cause 2. The 6870 is only at 970 mhz in this btw, 1ghz+ cards (with dual coolers like the Hawk Talon) will always be out of the gtx 460's range.

 

[jyjjy]

The overclocking headroom of the 6870 makes it a fail for enthusiasts. If you like to overclock, that card will give you no joy. When they finally upped the clocks of the EVGA GTX460 in the Tom's article (back to it's factory level), it was only slightly beaten by the 6870. Consider that the EVGA 460 has even more overclocking headroom, so when fully pushed the 460 should easily beat the 6870 at its fully overclocked level. Can you imagine the results of a fully overclocked MSI GTX460 Hawk Talon Edition vs. a fully overclocked 6870?

The competition for the GTX 460 1gb is the HD6850, not the HD6870. Check the techpowerup review of the DirectCU HD6850 for its OC potential. 1020 mhz looks like the sweet spot for their sample and that is a 31.6% overclock over reference which is pretty much on par with 900mhz on a GTX 460(33.3%) which seems to be a typical high OC for that card. The Hawk usually handles 30-50mhz more but then it is also $35 more than the HD6850 at the moment.

 

[ragingmercenary]

Depends on who you read doesn't it.

I've seen the 6850 beat the stock 460 by anything up to 20% on some sites, yet Anand and Toms managed to give a win to the 460. 😗

Not necessarily. In general, the 1gb GTX 460 is positioned between the 6850 and 6870 in most benchmarks even at stock speeds. It is usually the GTX 470 and 6870 that go head to head most of the time, with each trading blows. Yet the lower price and power draw of the 6870 make is a better choice compared to the GTX 470.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/37286-amd-radeon-hd-6870-hd-6850-review-26.html

 

[AMW1011]

Honestly, I'm still waiting to see the true overclocking headroom of the 6870s. Since TPU always sucks at overclocking their cards, I'm not entirely convinced that the 6870 is a bad overclocker, but we will see. The sobering thought is that we need to see the 6870 hit 1100 MHz on the core for it to compare to the GTX 470, which can hit 800 MHz on the core with voltage easily.

 

[eyefinity]

Not necessarily. In general, the 1gb GTX 460 is positioned between the 6850 and 6870 in most benchmarks even at stock speeds. It is usually the GTX 470 and 6870 that go head to head most of the time, with each trading blows. Yet the lower price and power draw of the 6870 make is a better choice compared to the GTX 470.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/37286-amd-radeon-hd-6870-hd-6850-review-26.html

That link shows the 6870 beating the stock 460 by 21%, and the 6850 beating it by 4% (admittedly the 6850 seems to do much better at the highest settings and less so at the lowest).

 

[gamerk316]

Right now, I see the 470 as the 6870's main competition, with the 460 matched up against the 6850.

 

[ares1214]

Didnt i post a link of a 6870 hitting 1200 MHz on air somewhere back a little? Take solice in that, give it, id say a month. Drivers are up, everything is fully supported, and so forth.

 

[mosox]

Anand:

"As a matter of editorial policy we do not include overclocked cards on general reviews. As a product, reference cards will continue to be produced for quite a while, with good products continuing on for years. "

............................

"However with the 6800 launch NVIDIA is pushing the overclocked GTX 460 option far harder than we’ve seen them push overclocked cards in the past –we had an EVGA GTX 460 1GB FTW on our doorstep before we were even back from Los Angeles. Given how well the GTX 460 overclocks and how many heavily overclocked cards there are on the market, we believe there is at least some merit to NVIDIA’s arguments, so in this case we went ahead and included the EVGA card in our review."

That's bull, they included a lot of overclocked GTX 460 in their general 460 review (and no OC HD 5850/HD5870 whatsoever).

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3809/nvidias-geforce-gtx-460-the-200-king/7

That's an EVGA 460 768 Superclocked (Core Clock: 763MHz) right there.

And they now for sure that nobody will link to the "blah blah blah we do not include overclocked cards on general reviews but..." blah blah but to the benchmarks.

What about the Gigabyte 6850/70 OC edition, the XFX, the Sapphire Toxic, the MSI twin frozer that are to appear? Yeah, no room for them in the benches.